Why should I go VEGAN??

I used to be vegan after years of being a vegetarian. I began having a lot of issues with my health and during my pregnancy really craved meat, so I went back to eating meat and it helped me so much!

Here is a blog post (the original is taken down) of another vegan gone back to meat-eating.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1728051

Hmmmm...I don't recall anyplace in the Constitution that mentions "animal rights".

Not everyone needs a 200+ year old document as a basis for what they feel is the proper way to treat animals.

The Constitution also doesn't dictate whether or not you have to eat meat. Does that affect your decision on whether or not to do it?

I think that it's okay to eat a reduced amount of meat and animal products as long as the animals are being treated humanely and fed with good foods, not using steroids to beef them up. Personally, I'm vegetarian because I decided I need to eat healthier and stop relying on meat for everything. I used to have just roasted or fried chicken for lunch with some bread and I came to the point where I felt I wasn't getting enough vitamins from just this. Since then, I'm eating so many varieties of food and I feel so much better, mood and I've even lost weight. The truth is, all meat really has is protein, and we can get protein from MANY other foods. I think people should try being vegetarian for at least a few weeks and see how they feel and if they like it. I have never tried those meat alternatives because I feel that they're too processed. I eat mostly whole foods. Besides, I'm an animal lover and I feel bad if I ever eat meat.
Now, I think it'd be impossible for me to be vegan because I usually eat high protein Greek yogurt and sometimes eggs for breakfast. I don't like regular milk so I drink almond milk. I just don't get the point of those meat alternatives though. If you're going to be vegan/veg. why would you eat something that tastes like animals? Kind of defeats the purpose of converting to the lifestyle.

the diet NEEDS to be supplemented and/ or fortified, which is against my food ethos.

Please explain

Selective editing has changed the sense of my post somewhat but IMO (from my POV working in lifestyle healthcare) any diet that needs to be fortified or supplemented to be healthy and balanced is overly restrictive and completely unnatural. Obviously sometimes that is impossible to avoid, for example in multiple allergies, but I would never actively choose nor actively recommend a diet that relies on pills or frankenfoods.

Humans evolved to need nutrients that are only found or best absorbed or easiest sourced from animal products - vitamin B12, haem iron, vitamin D, calcium, long chain omega-3s. Trying to create an optimally nutritious diet that includes plenty of all the plant forms of these can tie you in knots, the most realistic option is to add in pills or frankenfoods.

That is purely from a health and dietetics perspective, clearly people have ethical reasons for going vegetarian or vegan and I don't advise nutrition clients to eat meat!

I don't have a problem with vegans. I have a problem with vegans who assume that because I eat meat (lots of it, like at least 2 lbs per day), I am ignorant about where it comes from or its nutritive properties or how the animals are treated. I grew up on a beef cattle ranch. I raised orphan calves, pigs, chickens, rabbits, goats, etc., throughout my childhood, so give it a rest. My diet is perfectly healthy. I guess I'm just not virtuous enough to care that an animal has to die so that I can eat what I want. I bought a crap ton of steak yesterday for a great price, and I feel awesome about it. Every day, I am proud not to be vegan. Or a hypocrite. You say you care about animals ... well, stop eating all their food.

I fall for you more everyday.:flowerforyou:

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I'm a vegan (12 years) and do not take supplements, vitamins, etc. I'm not sure what your definition of "frankenfoods" is but I am quite certain my intake of processed foods is much lower than most omnivores I know.

I've never had any issues related to a lack of any of the nutrients you mention below.

My blood tests at physicals and check ups is always perfect. My last total cholesterol count was 96. Even when I was competing in cycling on a regular basis and riding significant miles, I had no problems with energy during rides or recovery.

Just because you have been taught that vegan diets lack necessary nutrients to provide complete nutrition to the body doesn't mean it's true.

Selective editing has changed the sense of my post somewhat but IMO (from my POV working in lifestyle healthcare) any diet that needs to be fortified or supplemented to be healthy and balanced is overly restrictive and completely unnatural. Obviously sometimes that is impossible to avoid, for example in multiple allergies, but I would never actively choose nor actively recommend a diet that relies on pills or frankenfoods.

Humans evolved to need nutrients that are only found or best absorbed or easiest sourced from animal products - vitamin B12, haem iron, vitamin D, calcium, long chain omega-3s. Trying to create an optimally nutritious diet that includes plenty of all the plant forms of these can tie you in knots, the most realistic option is to add in pills or frankenfoods.

That is purely from a health and dietetics perspective, clearly people have ethical reasons for going vegetarian or vegan and I don't advise nutrition clients to eat meat!

It looks like some people feel we can make up things like "animal rights" to help sooth our conscience. Well....how about we create "plant rights"? They are living things too.

A. Plants are not sentient beings
B. We made up religion...so why not animal rights?

Lecterman stated.....

"A. Plants are not sentient beings
B. We made up religion...so why not animal rights?"

Thanks for making my point for me. People "made up" animal rights.

Whatever makes your day Dave.

I was vegetarian for a time, then went completely vegan for a time, then gave up on all of it completely and ate crap.

Now i've finally found a balance- I substitute what I can, and have meat when I feel like it.

I have a turkey sandwich just about every day. Those are my staple protein really and it really satisfies any cravings I have. Then for dinner, I'll have some of those bangin' Italian Style SmartSausages made of tofu and all that and I mean really, I can't tell the difference.

I use all non-dairy milks (hemp, almond, soy, etc) for my cereal but the BIGGEST reason I see vegan diets fail is CHEESE!

I've even spoken to hardcore life-long vegans and they've just told me that they cut out cheese completely because the substitutes don't cut it (Daiya, soy-cheese slices). I've purchased a bag of Daiya to see for myself after having an awesome Tofurky "Meat lovers" Pizza that supposedly was covered in it. I don't know what they did differently, but my bag of Daiya SMELLED and did not make nachos like they claimed (it smelled like hot vomit on chips...grossest thing ever)

So I will never cut out cheese or a nice turkey sandwich...but as far as red meat goes, I can find some great substitutes. And if all else fails- there is the BEST vegetarian restaurant by me called "Veggie Heaven" and they make all their meat out of nuts, seeds, soy, and yams. I always sneak people there when we're craving chinese food because you wouldn't know the difference at all- except you don't have violent heartburn after eating it :laugh:

It looks like some people feel we can make up things like "animal rights" to help sooth our conscience. Well....how about we create "plant rights"? They are living things too.

Ya kind of a *kitten*, ain'tchya?

IT'S A TRAP.

In fact, most people who go vegan see a significant lowering of their blood pressure, cholesterol and weight without exercise.

So if this "fact," where is your documentation of this? I would love to see it. There are many people that become vegan/vegetarian that see increases in blood pressure, cholesterol and weight because while they stay away from meat, they don't stay away from unhealthy processed foods.

I would love to hear your opinion after doing it for a year. I did, for two actually, and felt worse than I ever had in my life.

I eat an all vegan diet, plus the occasional meat and diary product (every few hours or so). We all have an inner vegan.

I'm not a vegan, but have a few friends who are, and when I'm with them, I'm eating vegan. I completely agree with your argument that it is for the health of the world and the animals that live in it.. but I don't think that it is necessarily for your health. Many of my vegan friends eat very unhealthy food, and one of them actually dislikes the "healthy vegans", .. they eat deep fried any vegetable, including fried pickles and mushrooms which I had with them last week. They eat vegan bacon and other fake vegan meats that can be high in calorie.

So yes, if you want to be vegan because of animal rights, the environment and so on.. I think that is an essential part of being vegan. If you want to be vegan to be healthy, there are plenty of healthy people who are not vegan, and plenty of vegans who are not healthy

If you want to be vegan to be healthy, there are plenty of healthy people who are not vegan, and plenty of vegans who are not healthy

Very true

There are many people that become vegan/vegetarian that see increases in blood pressure, cholesterol and weight because while they stay away from meat, they don't stay away from unhealthy processed foods.

So if this "fact," where is your documentation of this?