For Vegans / Vegetarians only.
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Just to add to my previous post, I have the utmost respect for you if you're not trying to guilt or misinform people into a vegan/vegetarian diet and if you are following this diet for medical or ethical reasons. It's the misinformation that I'm really against.0
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One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.
So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.
So, why?
Athletes who are vegan/vegetarian:
Patrik Baboumian, Strongman competitor, former bodybuilder
Brendan Brazier, Triathlete
Arian Foster, NFL running back for Houston Texans
Georges Laraq, Pro hockey player
Mike Zigomanis, Pro hockey player
Robert Cheeke, body builder
Luke Cummo, martial artist
Bryan Danielson, pro wrestler
Mike Mahler, body builder
Salim Stoudamire, NBA player
Mike Tyson, pro boxer
RIcky WIlliams, running back for Miami Dolphins
Carl Lewis, Olympic track star
Joe Namath, former NFL quarterback
There are MANY more, but my hand is beginning to hurt typing all the names of all these tremendous athletes.
What else ya got?
Jesus Christ...does Tofu make people unable to comprehend plain English? Reread my post, and you will realize that none of the people you listed meet my criteria.0 -
DUDE I AM A VEGETARIAN
and my son is a vegan.
I was vegan for 11 years.
Don't assume just because someone doesn't agree with your logic that they haven't made the same ultimate choice in lifestyle.
ps. don't eat anything with "natural flavoring" if it is vanilla or raspberry flavored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum0 -
One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.
So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.
So, why?
Athletes who are vegan/vegetarian:
Patrik Baboumian, Strongman competitor, former bodybuilder
Brendan Brazier, Triathlete
Arian Foster, NFL running back for Houston Texans
Georges Laraq, Pro hockey player
Mike Zigomanis, Pro hockey player
Robert Cheeke, body builder
Luke Cummo, martial artist
Bryan Danielson, pro wrestler
Mike Mahler, body builder
Salim Stoudamire, NBA player
Mike Tyson, pro boxer
RIcky WIlliams, running back for Miami Dolphins
Carl Lewis, Olympic track star
Joe Namath, former NFL quarterback
There are MANY more, but my hand is beginning to hurt typing all the names of all these tremendous athletes.
What else ya got?
Gallowmere198 means world record holders, not just random athletes who do well. The reasoning being that if a vegan/vegetarian diet is obviously superior, then vegan/vegetarian athletes would at least hold a couple world records on something.0 -
Gallowmere198 - does red meat make you rude, hostile and unnecessarily adversarial?0
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I don't think you are being trolled. I don't mean this to be mean or sarcastic, but you did kind of throw yourself into the argument - just a fact. Of course, people are going to respond on such a heated topic - and not always in a nice way or in agreement with you. Whether you are discussing veganism with lame "canned" rants (how many times have you seen the "milk is for baby cows" argument?) or with what you consider to be the most accurate scientific information out there, people are going to refute it because they are going to eat what they want to eat. No one will ever agree on the optimal diet for humans.
I eat a mostly vegan diet myself (maybe 90-95%). I started because my boyfriend is vegan. I started feeling better and healthier a few months afterward and have stuck with it for nearly two and a half years. I don't do it for moral or ethical reasons, but I know that I personally just feel better. My cholesterol is down, my A1C is down, it's easier to maintain my weight.
Whether I agree with what you posted or not, I give you kudos for standing up and saying what you feel and backing it with something (though I myself doubt some of the "science" out there on veganism). If you want to say what you feel, just realize you are going to take some heat for it - don't feel trolled. Feel good that you said what you believe.0 -
I stopped reading after I saw your stupid Anonymous mask.0
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DUDE I AM A VEGETARIAN
and my son is a vegan.
I was vegan for 11 years.
Don't assume just because someone doesn't agree with your logic that they haven't made the same ultimate choice in lifestyle.
ps. don't eat anything with "natural flavoring" if it is vanilla or raspberry flavored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum
I retract my previous question about Tofu, because I forgot that Corvus eats tofu, and isn't completely braindead.
The jury is still out on many of the others.0 -
......world record for handstand push ups was done by a vegan consuming no more than 10% protein
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Jesus Christ...does Tofu make people unable to comprehend plain English? Reread my post, and you will realize that none of the people you listed meet my criteria.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't being superior at anything involve more than just diet? I think you're just frustrating yourself expecting an answer you know probably doesn't exist, if you have such expertise. A lot of people succeed immensely on a vegan diet. A lot of people succeed otherwise.
ps-I'm vegan, but because of medical/ethical reasons. I personally feel better this way. Doesn't mean everyone does.0 -
Gallowmere198 - does red meat make you rude, hostile and unnecessarily adversarial?
My apologies if I came off that way. There have been three or four other people who have posted the same kind of thing you have within the last few minutes, and my patience finally cracked.0 -
All you have proven to me that a human is omnivores. Sorry to say that..
However, I eat a lot of veggies and fruit. Also a LOT OF SALADS! I do eat in moderation meat.
I'm sorry but I won't become a full on full vegetarian.
I also get yogurt. Remember? Yogurt has good bacteria in it?
OMG I AM EATING LIVE LIFE FORMS! *gasp*
Fact of the matter: Some deits work better for some people. Others not so much.0 -
Jesus Christ...does Tofu make people unable to comprehend plain English? Reread my post, and you will realize that none of the people you listed meet my criteria.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't being superior at anything involve more than just diet? I think you're just frustrating yourself expecting an answer you know probably doesn't exist, if you have such expertise. A lot of people succeed immensely on a vegan diet. A lot of people succeed otherwise.
ps-I'm vegan, but because of medical/ethical reasons. I personally feel better this way. Doesn't mean everyone does.
Yes, of course it does. However, the OP is arguing that Vegan is 'superior', which it clearly is not...either that, or Vegans just suck at life. I prefer to think it's the diet holding them back from the physical greatness that those who have gone before them have accomplished while consuming all manner of animal products.0 -
DUDE I AM A VEGETARIAN
and my son is a vegan.
I was vegan for 11 years.
Don't assume just because someone doesn't agree with your logic that they haven't made the same ultimate choice in lifestyle.
ps. don't eat anything with "natural flavoring" if it is vanilla or raspberry flavored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum
I retract my previous question about Tofu, because I forgot that Corvus eats tofu, and isn't completely braindead.
The jury is still out on many of the others.
Thanks!
Since you, Gallowmere 198, are brinigng up the issue of strength training and vegetarianism, I will state my opinion on this as well. As far as hitting macros goes, and making gains, I agree that meat eaters are better off than vegans. But I do not believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a vegan to meet whatever standard a meat eater has achieved. I think it is more work. Yes- hitting my macros to stay on my lifting routine is NOT EASY as a vegetarian (using primarily vegan sources of protein)...but it can be done and I am doing it.0 -
Well youre going to get the paleo/carnivores up in arms who say we arent designed to eat grains, and can provide a few othe studies and anatomy lessons to counter your argument. I of course think you both are wrong and the ultimate way to go is to become an autotroph and photosynthesize.0
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Gallowmere198 - does red meat make you rude, hostile and unnecessarily adversarial?
My apologies if I came off that way. There have been three or four other people who have posted the same kind of thing you have within the last few minutes, and my patience finally cracked.
Apology accepted. I was just trying to make a point. I see your point also. I eat the way I do for lots of reasons and I just feel better physically and mentally that way. I agree with asalea617 who said it well! Success in life is measured in different ways and occurs for different reasons. I'm happier with myself when I don't eat meat. Period.0 -
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I also get yogurt. Remember? Yogurt has good bacteria in it?
OMG I AM EATING LIVE LIFE FORMS! *gasp*
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*cringe!*
It was a good attempt at a joke. But bacteria isn't an animal. Kingdom Monera =/= Kingdom animalia!
I agree that arguing over an individual's choice of diet is a total waste of time.0 -
Thanks!
Since you, Gallowmere 198, are brinigng up the issue of strength training and vegetarianism, I will state my opinion on this as well. As far as hitting macros goes, and making gains, I agree that meat eaters are better off than vegans. But I do not believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a vegan to meet whatever standard a meat eater has achieved. I think it is more work. Yes- hitting my macros to stay on my lifting routine is NOT EASY as a vegetarian (using primarily vegan sources of protein)...but it can be done and I am doing it.
Oh, I get that. I have never been against the idea of vegetarianism or even Veganism, if it's for the right reasons. The crap this guy is throwing out there is the problem, not the diet itself. If the choice is made because of cruelty acknowledgement, that's all well and good, and I can appreciate that. But for someone to advocate Veganism as 'superior' is a slap in the face the men and women who busted their *kitten* under the iron and at the dinner table to set world records over the last century. Records that, as I have already stated, haven't been touched by a single Vegan.0 -
Yeah, thanks OP, it's nice to see these stats, I always enjoy reading things like this. I did stop reading the comments though because nothing attracts those ignorant folk who love to fight for the death and torture of our fellow animals like a title such as this does.
I imagine there are some rude debates going on here. But if I seen a topic called "for meat eaters only", I would stay out. I ask for the same courtesy. Because I enjoy speaking with vegans and vegetarians, and when I can't do that under something with this explicitly named thread, obviously meant for like minded people, I feel robbed.
I see it in every other area of this site and quite frankly I'm on the verge of removing myself from the social aspects of myfitnesspal because I see aggressive and rude attacks in every topic posted. It's disgusting.0 -
Unless you're talking about obligate carnivores (like cats) I think morphological arguments are kind of irrelevant.0
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But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?0
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But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:0 -
But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?0 -
But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?
And I believe in the equality of all animals, but you found my beliefs funny.... Oh.... I'm sorry, do you not me treating you as you treat others? Some christian.0 -
But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?
Oh oh...here we go...0 -
But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?
And I believe in the equality of all animals, but you found my beliefs funny.... Oh.... I'm sorry, do you not me treating you as you treat others? Some christian.
For the record, I am Agnostic, but here we go anyway.
First, she didn't say she was Christian.
Second, 'dominion over the fish of the sea' and all of that.
Translation: 'On the Eight day, God said bring me some bacon you self-righteous Vegan *kitten*'.
ETA: I know of at least two record holding powerlifters who are/were devout Christians. So yeah...there's that.0 -
But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?
Oh oh...here we go...
LOL0 -
"She is careful to emphasize that their results concern human evolution. The research is about how carnivory can have contributed to the human species' spreading on earth and says nothing about what we should or should not eat today in order to have a good diet."
Yes... Eating meat allowed people to live in places that they would have otherwise not lived in before. That is 100% true.0
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