Quitting diet soda today
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Every thread like this needs this comic, "Duty Calls' from xkcd:
Couldn't help but giggle, my husband is the same way. Drives me crazy.0 -
how bout encouraging the OP? or if you're not here to do that, why ARE you in this thread?
I question the validity of the claim hidden in this personal attack.
Is there actual value in encouraging someone on to do something completely pointless and without merit?
why can't you support someone in what THEY are choosing to do? they aren't harming themselves by cutting out diet soda, are they? just because it isn't bad for them doesn't mean that its GOOD for them. if they said they were going to cut out all water in their diet, i would criticize. but not diet soda. support the OP or move on.
I would argue that my advice is actually better support than simply saying "good for you in doing that pointless thing." At least I'm offering the opportunity to do something constructive instead.
i just don't understand why you would tell someone that they shouldn't do something that they think will help them on their journey, and that (even if it won't help them) won't hurt them. i don't think that diet sodas are bad for you, i drink a couple a week. so don't think I'm on that side of this. i just believe that we should support the OP if what they are doing is not harming them. and cutting out diet sodas will not harm them.
I didn't tell them not to do it. I said that it's pretty pointless and that energy could be better spent elsewhere. And if they decide to follow that advice and follow through, they would likely end up better off in the long run. Do you seriously think you are doing anyone a service by encouraging them to waste their time? I would not thank anyone for that.
Or do you believe that without quitting diet soda, the OP will eventually fail at all weight loss and/or getting healthy. (The journey you called it.). Because throwing that sort of assumption of their lack of resolve and capability in their face is far more hurtful than my pointing out that quitting diet soda is pointless.
you telling them that they are making a pointless choice is much more of a "throw in the face" than supporting them. they aren't making an unhealthy choice here, so why put them down?
Telling the OP that it's pointless is conveying valuable information. It is not insulting the person. When is providing accurate information ever an attack?
Would you rather bury your head in the sand and hide from the truth simply because you declared that you want to do something on a web site forum, and the truth is that it's pointless? And you think that helping a person live with a delusion is somehow encouraging?0 -
good for you! giving up something that you feel is inhibiting you on your weight loss journey is a strong thing for you to do! I'm proud of you (:
for the rest of you... stop creating online drama. support the original thread poster or move past the post entirely. there is no need to put down each others' opinions. no matter how RIGHT you think you are, you will never change the others' opinion. so stop trying.
have a good day everyone (:
This.
No, not this.
It's riddled with poor assumptions and logical fallacy.
you sir, crack me up. i flat out told you that i don't believe that diet soda is bad for you. i don't believe in all the lies about how artificial sweeteners are worse for you than sugar, blah blah blah. i LOVE my diet soda. so what i have to say isn't about the diet soda, its about the OP making a personal choice that isn't harming them, and you putting them down for making their "pointless" decision
You don't actually read my posts, do you?0 -
Good luck! Quitting my diet coke habit was almost as bad as quuitting smoking! I could not move for 2 weeks. Horrid headaches and no energy.0
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I think it's great you are giving it up. Whether or not it is hurting you is irrelevant – it isn't helping you and you are making a change you feel great about and are excited to make.
I am reminded by a Tony Robbin's quote that I truly take to heart in my own life: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
Congrats to you!0 -
Agreed.
Also, I was drinking a six pack a day of reg. coke gain some weight no big deal. After 2000 I switched to Coke Zero and soon after that I was diagnosed with Diabetes. I didn't understand why, I have no sweet tooth to speak of except for an occasional piece of dark chocolate and they are very low in sugar. Being from Asia I stayed away from things that is normal to American, A birthday cake from supermarket is at least 3 times the sweetness I can stand. I do like Pasta though. but that's not enough to cause anything.
Until recently I saw this article from Yahoo's front page that your liver doesn't know the difference between regular sugar or Aspartame. and it treated aspartame like sugar. and can cause 33% more chance of Diabetes than sugar. Now I'd understand. I'm not doing this to win a argument. I do it so that other people can benefit from what I learned.
Also, the aspartame makers are trying to make their product an exception to the ingredient list on all dairy products. So if you get milk, even if it contains aspartame. will not be listed on the ingredient list.
Yes, I do question more than the usual person. That's why we are in the internet age. where we can openly share info and not be controlled only by the "mainstream" medias.
Peace
Brothers and Sisters
You, are talking utter rubbish.
You don't really know much about biology nor chemical structure nor nutrition if you believe anything you just typed.0 -
I am reminded by a Tony Robbin's quote that I truly take to heart in my own life: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
I doubt even Tony Robbins would advocate change merely for the sake of change. I could be wrong.
Stop eating entirely! You'll be doing something new and you'll get a new result.
Tony Robbins? Really?0 -
I am reminded by a Tony Robbin's quote that I truly take to heart in my own life: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
I doubt even Tony Robbins would advocate change merely for the sake of change. I could be wrong.
Stop eating entirely! You'll be doing something new and you'll get a new result.
Tony Robbins? Really?
again, is this necessary? nothing she said was negative or could harm the OP, so why do you have to comment negatively on it.0 -
I am reminded by a Tony Robbin's quote that I truly take to heart in my own life: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
I doubt even Tony Robbins would advocate change merely for the sake of change. I could be wrong.
Stop eating entirely! You'll be doing something new and you'll get a new result.
Tony Robbins? Really?
again, is this necessary? nothing she said was negative or could harm the OP, so why do you have to comment negatively on it.
Nothing written here by anyone is necessary. Haven't you worked that out yet?0 -
Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.0
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I've decided to quit. Cold turkey-like. I've been drinking easily a liter a day for a decade or more (except when I've lacked access to it-international travel, mainly!
) It's one of those things I've been telling myself I need to do and just never have attempted it. Two days ago, I saw a documentary and they talked about the side effects of artificial sweeteners and it really opened my eyes. I need to quit now! I finished off my 2 liter yesterday and now I'm done. I drank plenty of water this morning and a cup of coffee to get me going and I feel just fine so far. Wish me luck...
May the force be with you!!!!!! I drink my one at lunch. Good luck!0 -
Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
Now that's good generic advice.0 -
Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
Conversation is what you got! If you want and think it will help, by all means quit drinking it. I (and those supporting my stance) are merely saying this is something you really don't have to worry about if you don't want to. One less thing to stress out over, IMO.0 -
Good for you!! I bet the first few pounds will just fall off from you stopping the pop and drinking water!!0
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Great plan. I have been off the stuff for about 6 weeks now and feel great. No just need to get veggies in my diet ::noway:0
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Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
Whatever you do, don't let this scare you off of the MFP forums.
Look at it as your first post was a 6+ pager. I've read many times where new people complained that they felt their posts were ignored. You certainly avoided that problem this time.
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Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
Whatever you do, don't let this scare you off of the MFP forums.
Look at it as your first post was a 6+ pager. I've read many times where new people complained that they felt their posts were ignored. You certainly avoided that problem this time.
this is true lol always see the positive (:0 -
Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
You're fine OP. This topic is very popular for debating. And sometimes, some of the members that have been here a while need to remember some people are new to this lifestyle of good choices and new to MFP and have questions on things we asked yars ago or just need support.
As for pop (that's what we call it here). Do what you feel is best for you. I gave it up 3 weeks ago and I don't miss it. That's what's right for me. I'm not saying I won't ever drink it. But for me, my choice was it wasn't really offering any nutritional "benefits" so I gave it up.0 -
how bout encouraging the OP? or if you're not here to do that, why ARE you in this thread?
I question the validity of the claim hidden in this personal attack.
Is there actual value in encouraging someone on to do something completely pointless and without merit?
but anyway, no one - not even you - can prove that diet soda is GOOD for you, yes?
Coach, nobody is saying diet pop is good for you. We're trying to show that's it's not the devil that people who don't understand the first thing about biology or chemistry think it is. Should we avoid anything and everything just because it's technically not beneficial even though it does no real harm? That sounds like a lot of fun. You seem to have some beef with science which I don't understand. I'm thinking it's because science often doesn't fall in line with your beliefs. That's unfortunately but the scientific method works whereas Fairy dust, Unicorns, and other myths do not. Science is not always perfect and it's not always proof but it's the best and most reliable information we as humans have. Don't fight it. And don't tell me that science is all controlled by the government and big corporations or any of that conspiracy nonsense. That's why there's peer reviewing.
BTW, the Philippines' death rate from heart disease is off the charts. And your "leeching" argument? Leeching was not a result of the scientific method. It's just really old "Bro-science". Just because something hides under the guise of science does not make it science.0 -
Again I prove my point again. No argument, no point, just plain brain damage.
No need for personal insults.
ON THIS THREAD I have posted studies showing your claims to be false.
You're post has been reported.0 -
To the OP
Good luck in your choice. I think if you're trying to remove all processed food from your diet it's a great step.
However, as has been debated in your thread. There's a huge battle between those who think artificial sweeteners are bad, and those who think they do no harm.
My advice, decide for yourself.0 -
As a shareholder of Coca Cola stock in my RRSP, I would ask you to switch to yummy Dasani bottled water. So good for you!
Seriously, though, good for you. I enjoy an occasional one, but not a daily one, so if you can switch out to water, or something else without the fake sugar in it, all the power to you.0 -
Oh wow. I don't know a lot about nutrition or chemistry, but the advice that was given to me is to consume more whole, natural foods and less of anything I don't need. I'm the OP-I'm new to MFP (first post!) and was just trying to make conversation, really.
Whatever you do, don't let this scare you off of the MFP forums.
Look at it as your first post was a 6+ pager. I've read many times where new people complained that they felt their posts were ignored. You certainly avoided that problem this time.
this is true lol always see the positive (:
That's me...Mr. Brightside. :drinker:0 -
Again I prove my point again. No argument, no point, just plain brain damage.
You have a really big issue with diet soda, yet , per your profile you are on Phentremine. Odd.0 -
Good for you! That stuff is toxic!
Aspartame is broken down into phenylalanine, aspartic acid, and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids and there's a much higher concentration of these aminos in a measly 4oz chicken breast than there is in diet soda. 1 Banana will yield more methanol than a 12oz can of soda. The dosage limits that can cause any issues are VERY HIGH, and you'd have to consume massive amounts to even detect any increased levels in a blood test. Cliffs: Diet soda is fine if you don't get headaches from it, and a very small % of people do. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
Everyone should stop spreading rumors and old-wives tales.
and you should stop criticizing someone who's giving up junk food to be healthier.
Dispelling pseudo-science propaganda is not what I'd call criticizing.
People get all freaked out when a tiny percentage of the population has a mild sensitivity to a man made chemical and so they think that it's must automatically be evil and deadly. Guess what? Nuts, tree fruits, shellfish, and other natural things are straight up deadly to some people.
science also prescribed leeching at one time.
do we still do it?
Google Demi Moore and leech therapy. I just shuddered a little.0 -
Good for you! That stuff is toxic!
Aspartame is broken down into phenylalanine, aspartic acid, and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids and there's a much higher concentration of these aminos in a measly 4oz chicken breast than there is in diet soda. 1 Banana will yield more methanol than a 12oz can of soda. The dosage limits that can cause any issues are VERY HIGH, and you'd have to consume massive amounts to even detect any increased levels in a blood test. Cliffs: Diet soda is fine if you don't get headaches from it, and a very small % of people do. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
Everyone should stop spreading rumors and old-wives tales.
and you should stop criticizing someone who's giving up junk food to be healthier.
Dispelling pseudo-science propaganda is not what I'd call criticizing.
People get all freaked out when a tiny percentage of the population has a mild sensitivity to a man made chemical and so they think that it's must automatically be evil and deadly. Guess what? Nuts, tree fruits, shellfish, and other natural things are straight up deadly to some people.
science also prescribed leeching at one time.
do we still do it?
Fantastic logic there, I can see where you are going.
Yes comparing medical texts from 100+ years ago to now is indeed highly logical and often used in meta-analysis for useful studies.0 -
I am reminded by a Tony Robbin's quote that I truly take to heart in my own life: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
I doubt even Tony Robbins would advocate change merely for the sake of change. I could be wrong.
Stop eating entirely! You'll be doing something new and you'll get a new result.
Tony Robbins? Really?
!.) This isn't change for the sake of change in the case of the OP. It is a change she is choosing to make for the sake of improving her health and well being. You do not know everything, least of all about the health ramifications of diet sodas. For every study you can quote advocating it, someone else can post a quote condemning it. She believes it is best for her and it is her prerogative to make her own life decisions. She came here for support and to share something she was excited about.
2.) I doubt many people would advocate being contrary and antagonistic just for the sake of being contrary and antagonistic. But you are doing it anyway.
Don't bother responding if you want to antagonize me further. I am opting to ignore your profile after posting this. I have no place in my life or my MFP forums for your brand of useless, unproductive comments and negativity.0 -
I'll make this simple. Aspartame is made up of two amino acids, phenylalanine, and aspartic acid. Phenylalanine happens to be an essential amino acid, while aspartic acid is nonessential, as the body makes it. So, basically, if aspartame is actually harmful, then humans would have died out long ago, just from eating. 4 oz of chicken has the phenylalanine and aspartic acid equivalent of 25 cans of diet soda. Beef contains even more. Even nuts and seeds contain it in higher concentrations than a diet soda.
yeah that wasn't a personal attack.how bout encouraging the OP? or if you're not here to do that, why ARE you in this thread?
I question the validity of the claim hidden in this personal attack.
Is there actual value in encouraging someone on to do something completely pointless and without merit?
but anyway, no one - not even you - can prove that diet soda is GOOD for you, yes?
so what's wrong with getting rid of it on the off-chance all we crazy anti-aspartame people are actually right? she risks nothing in doing so, while you all are crossing your fingers and hoping science is serving you well this time.
In short, it's in everything you eat. Even fruit contain aspartic acid and phenylalanine. If aspartame was at all dangerous, everything we eat would be poison.0 -
I want to ask a question about this. I've been drinking one can of diet caffeine free coke at night, maybe 3-4 nights/wk, as a way to curb my cravings for higher calorie stuff. (If I feel like the dc is a treat it stops me from wanting ice cream and M&Ms.)
How bad is it really? Otherwise I only drink water and coffee (and half a glass of wine at dinner). Is 3-4 cans/week going to have a huge health impact?
you should read this article.
http://www.fitsugar.com/Why-Diet-Soda-Bad-You-252076570 -
A terrible article. I've read the studies referenced by it, and none of them showed diet sodas as causing any of the issues the article is blaming them on.I want to ask a question about this. I've been drinking one can of diet caffeine free coke at night, maybe 3-4 nights/wk, as a way to curb my cravings for higher calorie stuff. (If I feel like the dc is a treat it stops me from wanting ice cream and M&Ms.)
How bad is it really? Otherwise I only drink water and coffee (and half a glass of wine at dinner). Is 3-4 cans/week going to have a huge health impact?
you should read this article.
http://www.fitsugar.com/Why-Diet-Soda-Bad-You-252076570
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