Where's the evidence re: aspartame, msg, carbs, gmo etc?

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  • e_trexler
    e_trexler Posts: 31 Member
    As for me, there is no study, except, when I cut Coke Zero, diet drinks and Splenda out of my diet I stopped having migraines on non-storm days. Aspertame is bad *for me.* I cannot say definitively that it is bad for you.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,976 Member
    It's also scientifically safe to eat a little soap now and again. Does that mean I do it willingly? :tongue:
    Actually the 99.9% soap isn't one you like to consume. Just sayin'. Oh and science showed that.

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  • vim_n_vigor
    vim_n_vigor Posts: 4,089 Member

    I'd agree but some of these guys preach eating ice cram everyday.
    They do it because they are jerks. They know EXACTLY what they are doing when they brag about that. They are rubbing it in the faces of those who struggle to lose. They know that the majority of people here are hurt, are suffering, are overweight, or are obese, uneducated on health and nutrition, are sick, are depressed about their current condition and are wanting to change. Wanting to learn. They make sure YOU KNOW, THEY CAN and YOU CAN'T so what is wrong with YOU and how cool are they? It is very immature and very rude. It's as if they are in junior high. Like I said, they know what they are doing. Why do they think we care? What is the purpose of getting on MFP and saying, "look at my six pack and I eat ice cream every day." It's like me sitting outside of an AA meeting with a beer on a hot day and making slurping noises as I drink it, holding it up to the member saying, "I do this every day, but in moderation and I'm not an alcoholic". I CAN, you can't ;) just making sure you all know. But hey, I do it in moderation and I STILL am not an alcoholic. " Or more in comparison would be to go to an AA forum online and post I drink wine every night with dinner and am not an alcoholic. Just childish! Just cruel and completely stupid.

    Truth is they never really experienced obesity. They really had nothing to push through or fight for to be where they are at today.
    Ask these people anything about the psychological aspect of weight loss. How do you take someone severely obese and get them in to shape? They wouldn't know where to begin. They never been there.

    You have absolutely no idea about people's lives and what they have had to go through to get where they are. I can also name many people on here who where obese and who eat ice cream all the time...and I know you know they are here.

    Question is, who will die first in the long run?

    Telomeres have more to do with how long you live than anything.

    Genetics.

    General calorie restriction actually has a beneficial effect on telomere length. It's not about insulin, its about not eating too much, period.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130123133852.htm
    According to a study carried out by a team led by María Blasco, the director of the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre (CNIO) and head of the Telomeres and Telomerase Group, a sustained lowering of food intake over time results in an increase of telomere length -- the ends of chromosomes -- in adult mice, which has a protective effect on the DNA and genetic material.

    For every study there is a counter study... heh.

    Well eating too much does increase free radicals which does decrease life span(enjoy your bulking cycles). HIgh levels of insulin also does decrease life span. Good example is type 2 diabetics, their life span is shorter if they have the disease compared to i they did not.

    Tell that to my 93 year old grandmother who has had type 2 diabetes since her 20s. It has just been the last year or two where she is not getting around very well anymore, but shoot, 93!
  • altinker
    altinker Posts: 173
    I think people can make their own decisions about food and additives as there are animal studies that have been performed out there. About 20 years ago, I dated a guy that drank 24 cans of diet soda a day. He didn't drink water. I used to just take a sip from his can now and then, but it would equate to a can or two a day.

    I remember doing some research at the time, and there was a forum somewhere that people were placing anecdotal stories about their experiences with what I call "Mystery Sweeteners." I remember a takeaway that they caused brain irregularities. This seemed to coincide with my experiences. At that time, I made a decision to stay away from mystery sweeteners.

    I had personal issues with the aspartame used to sweeten the drinks. I would feel a buzzy feeling in my head and a lack of concentration. I stopped drinking diet soda (I'm not a soda drinker anyway), and my concentration levels returned. MSG gives me migraines. And, I prefer not to eat hydrogenated oils. I also shy away from things like Splenda and try to eat healthy.

    And, how do I know this about msg and aspartame for me? Because I pay attention to my personal response to these additives. Now, I don't allow these things in my diet and try to shy away from new mystery sweeteners.

    I can make my own decisions about what I choose to eat, thank you very much. Now Stevia is in a lot of things. I don't particularly love it and would prefer a touch of sugar instead, but I'll live with it even knowing that one day something might come out saying it is bad for you.

    I don't think we can avoid GMO foods since they are so prevalent in food sources, but if I have a choice to buy something that is non-GMO, then I will buy it. I remember reading an article about protein synthesis in rats four generations from the parent rats being decreased due to GMO consumption. It's just something that I file away in my brain. The truth is that we don't really know the long-term effects on humans, but that doesn't mean that there are no harmful effects.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    It's also scientifically safe to eat a little soap now and again. Does that mean I do it willingly? :tongue:
    Actually the 99.9% soap isn't one you like to consume. Just sayin'. Oh and science showed that.

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    I saw on Netflix where a kid went blind from soap poisoning. The movie was called A Christmas Story. Everyone should watch it.

    Also, studies show that if you play with BB guns you'll shoot your eye out.
  • blu_meanie_ca
    blu_meanie_ca Posts: 352 Member
    There is lots of evidence to support that aspartame is deadly. Some countries have actually banned it. Just google it.
    Coca cola are lying on their website when they say it is safe. They send workers in protective clothing to mop up spillages of it
    in their factories. I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, the evidence has been about for years, just look it up. Don't know about the rest.


    googled it... nope, no one...
  • judydelo1
    judydelo1 Posts: 281 Member
    http://ntserver1.wsulibs.wsu.edu:3020/content/96/6/1249.full.pdf+html

    This is from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
    Not sure if you guys can open this or not, as I'm signed in on a university server..but it's basically summed up by the last paragraph:

    "These 3 studies add to a growing body of evidence on the adverse health effects of soft drinks; however, given the limited and conflicting data available, these findings can at the present time be considered only suggestive, not conclusive, but they warrant further investigation in other prospective studies with data on long-term intake of soft drinks, diet soft drinks, and aspartame."

    Basically, we have little hard evidence of ill-effects of soda and artificial sweeteners (and that goes for some of this other stuff from the OP), however some studies are suggestive (and I know some studies say they are fine). More research is needed to have a definitive answer. Personally, I am not really interested in being a guinea pig, and I think that soda, diet or otherwise, is unnecessary junk food anyway. I'll stick to tea and water (and wine;)! ) I figure there's nothing wrong with good ol fashioned sugar in moderation (though I don't really eat sweets anyway).
    Not to come off like a nutter, but it is worth understanding that many studies are paid for by the food companies themselves, so they have an interest in maintaining positive results. There are many contributing factors to the constantly growing obesity epidemic, I can't prove that artificial sweeteners and GMO's are a piece of the puzzle...but if I'm given the choice I'd rather eat natural food.

    excellent post.


    Love this post
  • CristinaL1983
    CristinaL1983 Posts: 1,119 Member
    It's also scientifically safe to eat a little soap now and again. Does that mean I do it willingly? :tongue:
    Actually the 99.9% soap isn't one you like to consume. Just sayin'. Oh and science showed that.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    I saw on Netflix where a kid went blind from soap poisoning. The movie was called A Christmas Story. Everyone should watch it.

    Also, studies show that if you play with BB guns you'll shoot your eye out.

    When I was little, my mom used to wash my mouth out with soap when I said things that weren't nice. One time, I had braces and the soap got caught in my braces. I couldn't stop blowing soap bubbles while I was crying. Even when she let me rinse my mouth out with water, I kept blowing soap bubbles. As an adult, my IQ test score was two points lower than the test I took as a child. Clear proof that eating even the smallest amounts of soap will cause permanent and irreversible brain damage.



    [Don't mind the fact that a 2 point deviation is perfectly normal and that all IQ tests are scored on different scales. My story is true and irrefutable proof.]
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    As I said, after she stopped with the aspartame her symptoms immediately stopped getting worse. As I said, her symptoms had been getting worse each day at an alarming rate. Then when she stopped the aspartame the symptoms stopped getting any worse. And after a few months off of it she did start to make some improvements (as her nervous system began the task of trying to repair itself I would assume). ANd yes this is an anecdotal story. Did I say I am an expert? I began by saying that this happened to a friend and when I see others that I care about consuming a lot of sugar free stuff I feel compelled to share this story and information I have read regarding this stuff. Relax.
    If your friend instead suffered the same from a peanut allergy, would you advice people not to eat peanuts?
    It's quite possible I could suffer in the same way - I don't like peanuts, so wouldn't know if I was specifically allergic to them as I never eat them intentionally. However, I do consume food that has them in.

    I am, I found out, intolerant to Casein (in powdered form, at least) - that doesn't mean I go around telling others not to have it - quite the opposite actually.

    What if someone researched a link between 'natural products' and 'bad things', would they find one?
    I'd bet they could find many just as conclusive as the ones being posted.

    I always liked this, most of it is 'backed up' with 'research';
    http://hellokinsella.posterous.com/the-daily-mail-list-of-things-that-give-you-c
  • melindanew
    melindanew Posts: 150 Member
    So do we have enough here to conclude most of the fear mongering over these substances are baseless, as nothing credible has been produced?

    Yes, but correlation is equalling causation all over the place. It's like a correlation = causation tidal wave. Without the water, or you know the death and earthquakes and stuff.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    As I said, after she stopped with the aspartame her symptoms immediately stopped getting worse. As I said, her symptoms had been getting worse each day at an alarming rate. Then when she stopped the aspartame the symptoms stopped getting any worse. And after a few months off of it she did start to make some improvements (as her nervous system began the task of trying to repair itself I would assume). ANd yes this is an anecdotal story. Did I say I am an expert? I began by saying that this happened to a friend and when I see others that I care about consuming a lot of sugar free stuff I feel compelled to share this story and information I have read regarding this stuff. Relax.
    If your friend instead suffered the same from a peanut allergy, would you advice people not to eat peanuts?
    It's quite possible I could suffer in the same way - I don't like peanuts, so wouldn't know if I was specifically allergic to them as I never eat them intentionally. However, I do consume food that has them in.

    I am, I found out, intolerant to Casein (in powdered form, at least) - that doesn't mean I go around telling others not to have it - quite the opposite actually.

    What if someone researched a link between 'natural products' and 'bad things', would they find one?
    I'd bet they could find many just as conclusive as the ones being posted.

    I always liked this, most of it is 'backed up' with 'research';
    http://hellokinsella.posterous.com/the-daily-mail-list-of-things-that-give-you-c
    Fantastic post. I doubt you will get any response though.

    Bashing peanuts is not as hip as bashing aspartame and GMO products.
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,273 Member
    Science is a tool that can help feed the planet. Yes, there are checks and balances built in. Any useful tool can be manipulated by the political giants but it doesn't negate the tool.
    The magical thinkers that don't use replicable, controlled experiments will drag us back into the dark ages. I prefer enlightenment.
  • jfan175
    jfan175 Posts: 812 Member
    Science is a tool that can help feed the planet. Yes, there are checks and balances built in. Any useful tool can be manipulated by the political giants but it doesn't negate the tool.
    The magical thinkers that don't use replicable, controlled experiments will drag us back into the dark ages. I prefer enlightenment.

    So, I shouldn't worry that my friends cousin got a headache 2 days after she put some Nutrasweet in her coffee?
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
    Science is a tool that can help feed the planet. Yes, there are checks and balances built in. Any useful tool can be manipulated by the political giants but it doesn't negate the tool.
    The magical thinkers that don't use replicable, controlled experiments will drag us back into the dark ages. I prefer enlightenment.

    So, I shouldn't worry that my friends cousin got a headache 2 days after she put some Nutrasweet in her coffee?

    Yeah, you should worry. It takes 2 days for Nutrasweet to cause brain tumours. I read it in a book. I think it was called The Big Book of Things That Cause Tumours.
  • Missjulesdid
    Missjulesdid Posts: 1,444 Member
    I have only anecdotal evidence.. which is why I advocate an elimination diet for those who think that they MAY be sensitive to certain things. I am 100% sure that I am sensitive to aspartame and wheat. I don't need evidence or anything else. I only have to listen to my own body... Aspartame, in quantities equal to more than 16 ounces of crystal light in a day, WILL give me a raging headache. EVERY TIME.

    As for the wheat, I'd always been skeptical of all of these people and their intolerance... until I found I was going home from work every day and having to put my feet up for hours after work. And the joints in my hands ached so bad I could hardly open and close them. I did a 30 day juice fast to see if it could help me with my joint issues and OMG, it worked.. but after the fast, even with the inclusion of juice in my diet, my joint pains came back.. Then I learned that some people possibly have a reaction to wheat (not the same as celiacs who are sensitive to gluten) And whattaya know, for me wheat-free = pain-free.

    Do I think that everyone should give up aspartame and wheat at once? Hell no. BUT if someone is thinking that something they're eating is making them feel sick, then I'm a big advocate of trying an elimination diet to see if it really is something they're eating. There are a LOT of people out there who are sensitive to aspartame and wheat, it's not a hoax or a fad.
  • OMGMSG
    OMGMSG Posts: 1
    I love MSG. That is all.

    Me too!

    It's comforting that they've been eating refined MSG in Japan for over 100 years (and high-free-glutamate foodstuffs like dried kombu since forever), at much higher levels than the US, and are just about the longest-living, healthiest people on earth. They've only started having an obesity problem now that they're eating more like Americans.

    Kinda suggests that the problem with fast food is that it's oversized and generally unhealthy--not that evil "chemicals" pervert it.

    I think MSG can be profoundly useful for healthy home cooking--put it in home made vegetable soups and satisfying spicy brown rice. The only problem with MSG is we're used to seeing it work for the dark side. Most Americans only experience it with stuff like KFC, pork ribs, and Doritos. Use it for good and in moderation and I guarantee it can help people eat healthier.
  • Jxnsmma
    Jxnsmma Posts: 919 Member
    I call shenanigans on the OMGMSG person whose first post was on this thread.... I call double IDs.......

    just sayin.
  • BroiledNotFried
    BroiledNotFried Posts: 446 Member
    I am trying a low MSG diet with me and my family. Will let you know how it turns out. We are 1 week into it.

    We gave up aspartame a several years ago, after I read a large scale study between diet soda and kidney disease.

    I am giving up MSG because I know it makes food (factory food) taste good, which leads you to eat more & more. Also, I am close to three people who have/died of ALS (Lou Gherig's disease). Our war veterans who ate MREs are at high risk, and I can tell you that personally. MSG is implicated in ALS (as is asparatame). MSG is also suspect to be part of other nervous system disorders, including ADHD.

    MSG is used in almost everything in a box or can, canned soups, restaurant chicken, powdered cheeses, and it hides under other names (including, "other natural flavors'). The FDA does not require manufacturers list MSG as a separate ingredient or give the grams per serving. If MSG is controversial, then the FDA should require it be listed.

    I am also lowering our consumption of bromanated flour. Bromate has a direct link to cancer. It is used to make cheaper breads because it allows the dough to rise higher. Europe and even China! has banned it. Alot of our breads use it, as do fast food buns. Nature's Own and Pepperidge Farms are safer choices.
  • ummmcam
    ummmcam Posts: 3 Member
    general medical officers?