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  • lhourin
    lhourin Posts: 144 Member
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    I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.

    Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.

    Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.

    Not at all. I almost always eat less that 100g of carbs/day and feel great (and have a lot of energy for workouts). People feel like crap when they don't eat enough fat. (or when they eat too many carbohydrates and then crash). And, FYI, it IS sustainable and is not a fad. And it's delicious.
  • rhogr000
    rhogr000 Posts: 126
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    I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.

    Sure its sustainable as long as you are not a heavy exerciser or professional athlete. I did the C25K on keto with no ill effects. It wasn't until I decided I wanted to run a half marathon that I brought more carbs into my diet. The only real issue I had with keto was trying to find somewhere to go out and eat.

    Good point. I'm a pretty heavy exerciser (walking and biking) and <100g carbs/day would make me sick. I probably should have pointed that out from the get-go.
  • Thorbjornn
    Thorbjornn Posts: 329 Member
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    I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.

    Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.

    1. It is essential to maintain the proper percentages of food intake. 65% fat, 35% protein, 5% carbs. Too much protein and you can do serious damage to your body. Its kinda hard to get too much protein, but make sure you are careful.
    2. You still want to keep a low calorie intake. I did keto for many months and recommend it, but there is quite a bit of debate on if its the ketosis that causes the weight loss, or if the diet naturally causes you to be in a calorie deficit. That said, its MUCH easier to maintain a calorie deficit when you get to eat all the bacon you want.

    As to OP's question, the best resources for recipes I found are:

    http://reddit.com/r/keto (look for FP [Food Porn] posts)
    http://reddit.com/r/ketorecipes
    http://cavemanketo.com

    The problem is that people think a ketogenic diet is all bacon and Jimmy Dean sausages. They don't realize a keto meal is a salmon steak or filet, or roast chicken or lamb w/ vegs. and olive oil; or a Greek salad with chicken and/or shrimp added, and olive oil; or a caesar salad with chicken and/or shrimp. Meat, fish, birds, eggs, leaves, berries is a keto diet. Sounds kinda primal and paleo too.
  • tonytoo
    tonytoo Posts: 307
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    I've been in Ketosis since last Wednesday. The only time I felt tired was the few hours as my body switched over. I feel exactly the same as before now. My body will fully convert to using ketones over the next 2 weeks.

    Bear in mind though that for a "fat loss diet", ketosis is not necessary. Just having low carbs is fine. That's a quote from the man that designed the Ketogenic Diet.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/
  • JessicaOnKeto
    JessicaOnKeto Posts: 364 Member
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    I LOVE :heart: THE KETO LIFE! :drinker:
    Two weeks is a great start, and that's how long I gave myself when I started too!
    Absolute yes on the blue cheese salad dressing! and ranch! just watch the nutrition label for any hidden sugars or carbs or the "lowfat" stuff, lowfat usually means they add sugar.

    I get my favorite recipes from:
    -www.genaw.com this lady is a genius, and posts comments and ratings on most of her recipes, and indicates with a "*" which ones are the lowest carb and are suitable for "induction" which is <20 net grams (carbs minus fiber) per day on your low carb diet.
    -http://www.lowcarb-recipes.net/
    and I just want to share my FAVORITE low carb dessert with everyone!, a molten lava cake:
    http://healthyindulgences.net/2009/01/healthy-molten-chocolate-lava-cake/ I just subsituted the regular flour with coconut flour.

    In regards to what to eat:
    www.theketogenicdiet.com is awesome this list is directly from them!
    •Any meat (such as beef, venison, pork, veal, lamb) in any just about any cut or preparation, though check the carb content of processed meat products like sausages and ensure you don’t buy anything cured with sugar or honey.
    •Any poultry (chicken, turkey, quail, duck etc.). It is preferable to leave the skin on poultry to increase the fat content. Poultry must not be breaded or battered, but can otherwise be prepared any way you like, roasted, stir fried, deep fried, baked, grilled or barbecued.
    •Fish and shellfish. They should be fresh – things like imitation crab meat often contain added carbs – and if you buy canned fish make sure it hasn’t been preserved with added sugar. Again, it must not be breaded or battered.
    •Eggs. You will probably find that eggs become a staple when you are on a ketogenic diet.
    •Cheese. Most types of cheese are suitable for a ketogenic diet, though they do contain some carbs, so make sure you include these in your daily carb count to ensure you stay below your limit.
    •Vegetables. Vegetables will be the source of most of the carbs you eat, but you still need to choose the lowest carb vegetables with the best nutritional value. Green leafy vegetables are the best, such as spinach, all kinds of lettuce and cabbage, watercress, Brussels sprouts and kale. You can also eat broccoli and cauliflower, celery, cucumber, asparagus, bean sprouts, radishes and more, but must strictly limit you intake of sugary vegetables like peppers, onions and tomatoes, and avoid starchy vegetables like potatoes.
    •Nuts can be eaten in moderation as a snack.
    •Most kinds of oil, butter and cream can be used in cooking.
    •Fresh herbs and dry spices can be used for flavor.
    •Mayonnaise and oil based salad dressings are usually OK, but check the carb content on the bottle.
    •Artificial Sweeteners such as Splenda can be used in place of sugar.

    My instagram is: http://instagram.com/jessicaonketo if you'd like to see first hand what I eat.

    I would advise to try to research it first if your still thinking about it, low carb high fat is NOT for everyone, but it does work out for some of us here :love:
    With a conventional high carb, low fat diet, I found myself weak, HUNGRY, and angry about 85% of the time, and not satisfied with my "healthy choices" that weren't making me feel healthy. I tried it out for a good month or so, but I was just, simply put, not in a good place mentally or physically.
    Keto helped me deal with my HUNGER. Which is the #1 reason that I fail at most diets, I get so hungry, I ended up binge eating everything I was moderating. With High Fat, and Low Carb, I have more energy, I am more focused, and can eat healthy, satisfying foods that keep me full longer then carbs.
    Yes the cravings suck, I used to eat fast food every single day, pizza, fries, pasta etc, but as a recovering carb-aholic, I can say, it can be done, and you can overcome those cravings! And now, I find tons of subsitutes for pizza/pasta/burgers etc.
    Now, I mainly eat a tons of vegetables, healthy fats (nuts, avocados, coconut oil, butter), and meat. What's not to love?

    P.S. if anyone would like to add me, feel free to do so! I'm open to all questions/concerns about low carb too!

    Good luck!! :drinker: :flowerforyou:
  • Thorbjornn
    Thorbjornn Posts: 329 Member
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    Even the late Dr. Atkins said on Larry King Live many years ago that endurance athletes will not do well on a ketogenic diet. For those people, carbs are a better foundation macro.
  • rhogr000
    rhogr000 Posts: 126
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    I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.

    Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.


    This is also a good point. A lot of the research I did seemed to focus on "bacon all the time", so I just deduced that it was fad diet. I guess I was misinformed :-(

    Still, I don't think it's for everyone. It depends on your fitness goals. Like I said, I'm pretty active (especially on my bike) so I need more than ~100g carbs/day.
    1. It is essential to maintain the proper percentages of food intake. 65% fat, 35% protein, 5% carbs. Too much protein and you can do serious damage to your body. Its kinda hard to get too much protein, but make sure you are careful.
    2. You still want to keep a low calorie intake. I did keto for many months and recommend it, but there is quite a bit of debate on if its the ketosis that causes the weight loss, or if the diet naturally causes you to be in a calorie deficit. That said, its MUCH easier to maintain a calorie deficit when you get to eat all the bacon you want.

    As to OP's question, the best resources for recipes I found are:

    http://reddit.com/r/keto (look for FP [Food Porn] posts)
    http://reddit.com/r/ketorecipes
    http://cavemanketo.com

    The problem is that people think a ketogenic diet is all bacon and Jimmy Dean sausages. They don't realize a keto meal is a salmon steak or filet, or roast chicken or lamb w/ vegs. and olive oil; or a Greek salad with chicken and/or shrimp added, and olive oil; or a caesar salad with chicken and/or shrimp. Meat, fish, birds, eggs, leaves, berries is a keto diet. Sounds kinda primal and paleo too.

    Most of the stuff I researched seemed to bill it as an "all-bacon diet" so from that I inferred that it must be a fad. I guess I was misinformed. :-(

    Still, I don't think it's for everyone. Like I said, I'm a regular cyclist so ~100g carbs/day won't cut it for me. I need at least 120/day. I also think Keto allows for a lot more fatty/greasy foods that would make me feel like crap.
  • Thorbjornn
    Thorbjornn Posts: 329 Member
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    Most of the stuff I researched seemed to bill it as an "all-bacon diet" so from that I inferred that it must be a fad. I guess I was misinformed. :-(

    Still, I don't think it's for everyone. Like I said, I'm a regular cyclist so ~100g carbs/day won't cut it for me. I need at least 120/day. I also think Keto allows for a lot more fatty/greasy foods that would make me feel like crap.

    See my post right above:
    Even the late Dr. Atkins said on Larry King Live many years ago that endurance athletes will not do well on a ketogenic diet. For those people, carbs are a better foundation macro.
  • rhogr000
    rhogr000 Posts: 126
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    Most of the stuff I researched seemed to bill it as an "all-bacon diet" so from that I inferred that it must be a fad. I guess I was misinformed. :-(

    Still, I don't think it's for everyone. Like I said, I'm a regular cyclist so ~100g carbs/day won't cut it for me. I need at least 120/day. I also think Keto allows for a lot more fatty/greasy foods that would make me feel like crap.

    See my post right above:
    Even the late Dr. Atkins said on Larry King Live many years ago that endurance athletes will not do well on a ketogenic diet. For those people, carbs are a better foundation macro.

    Well, Atkins is a fad diet all its own...but I see Dr. Atkins point, and it's true.
  • JessicaOnKeto
    JessicaOnKeto Posts: 364 Member
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    Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.

    Well that's a little funny, because I feel AWESOME!!! With tons of energy and happiness. I love that I don't get that 2 o'clock afternoon slump after lunch anymore! :love: and I'm eating roughly 20-25 net grams of carbs per day. (carbs minus fiber=net carbs)
    Annnndd I've eaten an avocado and 2 strips of bacon for breakfast, had salmon and broccoli with cheese and butter for lunch, and am going to have prokchops and cauliflower mash tonight :)
    My macros per day are around: 65% fat, 3% protein, and 5% carbs. Yay for Keto! :drinker: :drinker:
  • goodformgirl
    goodformgirl Posts: 4 Member
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    While on keto? You don't gain water weight. You LOSE water weight in the first week or so in keto. You have to drink 2-3 L of water everyday to flush the ketones out of your kidneys. Also, if you don't drink enough liquids, I've read people have gotten gallstones or gout.
  • rhogr000
    rhogr000 Posts: 126
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    Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.

    Well that's a little funny, because I feel AWESOME!!! With tons of energy and happiness. I love that I don't get that 2 o'clock afternoon slump after lunch anymore! :love: and I'm eating roughly 20-25 net grams of carbs per day. (carbs minus fiber=net carbs)
    Annnndd I've eaten an avocado and 2 strips of bacon for breakfast, had salmon and broccoli with cheese and butter for lunch, and am going to have prokchops and cauliflower mash tonight :)
    My macros per day are around: 65% fat, 3% protein, and 5% carbs. Yay for Keto! :drinker: :drinker:

    Do you bike 3-4 miles a day? I guarantee you that you wouldn't feel so "awesome" if you did :-)
  • goodformgirl
    goodformgirl Posts: 4 Member
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    It's not a fad. If you read Gary Taubes "Why We Get Fat" and Lyle McDonald's "The Ketogenic Diet" and do more research you will see why. You are getting your water levels, lipid levels back to normal. Why do people think a diet or fad is when you don't eat sugar and processed foods? Why should that type of "food" be part of a "normal" diet if it makes you 1) store fat in your blood 2) increase your cholesterol 3) lead to obesity and diabetes?
  • Thorbjornn
    Thorbjornn Posts: 329 Member
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    Well, Atkins is a fad diet all its own...but I see Dr. Atkins point, and it's true.

    But that's a misunderstanding too. The Atkins Diet is really no different than what I described above as a ketogenic diet, when it's followed properly. The problem is people don't follow it properly.
  • JessicaOnKeto
    JessicaOnKeto Posts: 364 Member
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    Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.

    Well that's a little funny, because I feel AWESOME!!! With tons of energy and happiness. I love that I don't get that 2 o'clock afternoon slump after lunch anymore! :love: and I'm eating roughly 20-25 net grams of carbs per day. (carbs minus fiber=net carbs)
    Annnndd I've eaten an avocado and 2 strips of bacon for breakfast, had salmon and broccoli with cheese and butter for lunch, and am going to have prokchops and cauliflower mash tonight :)
    My macros per day are around: 65% fat, 3% protein, and 5% carbs. Yay for Keto! :drinker: :drinker:

    Do you bike 3-4 miles a day? I guarantee you that you wouldn't feel so "awesome" if you did :-)

    I run/jog/walk in intervals about that amount every other day, with no side effects yet, on keto :wink:
    I was just responding to your comment about having no energy or being moody on low carb alone, and I assure you not all of us low carbers are grumpy and moody with no energy! lol :wink:
    Exercising and being low carb is a little tricky for some or so I hear, and I have heard of carb cycling or carb loading if your body feels weak or if it feels like it's missing something, but others fair well in going through the exercise with low carb process too. :wink:
  • JessicaOnKeto
    JessicaOnKeto Posts: 364 Member
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    Well, Atkins is a fad diet all its own...but I see Dr. Atkins point, and it's true.

    But that's a misunderstanding too. The Atkins Diet is really no different than what I described above as a ketogenic diet, when it's followed properly. The problem is people don't follow it properly.

    I like the way you think sir! :drinker:
  • Thorbjornn
    Thorbjornn Posts: 329 Member
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    Well, Atkins is a fad diet all its own...but I see Dr. Atkins point, and it's true.

    But that's a misunderstanding too. The Atkins Diet is really no different than what I described above as a ketogenic diet, when it's followed properly. The problem is people don't follow it properly.

    I like the way you think sir! :drinker:

    :bigsmile:
  • XXXMinnieXXX
    XXXMinnieXXX Posts: 3,459 Member
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    Try 30% carbs, 35% protein, 35% fat This is what I do. Works well and is keeping the carbs sensible, but enough so you don't feel deprived. Home, goals, change goals. My diary is open if you wish to look.

    Zara.
  • redwngs13
    redwngs13 Posts: 194 Member
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    Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.

    Well that's a little funny, because I feel AWESOME!!! With tons of energy and happiness. I love that I don't get that 2 o'clock afternoon slump after lunch anymore! :love: and I'm eating roughly 20-25 net grams of carbs per day. (carbs minus fiber=net carbs)
    Annnndd I've eaten an avocado and 2 strips of bacon for breakfast, had salmon and broccoli with cheese and butter for lunch, and am going to have prokchops and cauliflower mash tonight :)
    My macros per day are around: 65% fat, 3% protein, and 5% carbs. Yay for Keto! :drinker: :drinker:

    Do you bike 3-4 miles a day? I guarantee you that you wouldn't feel so "awesome" if you did :-)

    Throwing in my 2 cents. A keto diet is all about getting your body into a state of ketosis. You probably know this already, but when you're in ketosis you don't rely on carbs for energy, you rely on fat. Since your body has fat readily available to burn off and is now in a state optimized to do just that, you'll find that you won't tire out during steady-state cardio as easily as you might think!
  • hookilau
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