Keto?
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ermagerd... Why does everyone always say this? Can you elaborate on why you think it is unhealthy? Most bacon is only unhealthy because of the added nitrates and crap. If you're smart about what kind of bacon you buy, it's perfectly fine. And chocolate is generally not eaten on a keto diet (hello, sugar!), unless you have very dark chocolate (think 70% or higher). Dark chocolate is actually pretty good for you in moderation!I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.
Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.
Odd. I eat 25g of carbs, or less a day. I wake at 4am, spend an hour (6 days a week) at the gym. I work no less than 10 hours a day, asleep by 8:30pm and I'm FINALLY sleeping all night. I have never felt better, I'm anything but tired/moody. Come to think of it..I was tired and moody before I was introduced to keto...
And my hair/skin looks fabulous!
Whoa...whoa...whoa....you only eat 25g of carbs/day? That's completely unhealthy...especially when supplemented with a lifestyle of bacon & chocolate. At 25g (or less) of carbs/day I don't know how anyone could function.
If you're thinking about it being unhealthy on a micronutrients level, can a person on a keto diet not get all of their micronutrient needs through other non-carby foods like vegetables? Lots of veggies have the same micronutrients that fruit has, without all the unnecessary sugars.
The people that I've know who've tried to follow low carb fad diets ALWAYS supplemented their lack of carbs by eating "healthy" (read: low carb) foods like bacon. They would eat copious amounts of high-fat, cholesterol-laden foods "because they can". Eventually, they got the point where low carb was no longer sustainable...once they got off the low carb train the weight came back with a fury.
Low carb diets are the latest diet craze because they produce quick results (mostly water weight) but participants are encouraged to eat unhealthy, high-fat foods. Rather than eat a healthy balance of all the macros your body needs, they severely (and unnecessarily) limit carbs to unsustainable levels. I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
A balanced approach to diet (noun) and fitness is necessary for long-term success
Well the low carb people I know, eat tons of vegetables, with tons of bacon, and tons of nuts, and tons of cheese.
And when they were ready to go back to "normal" they didn't binge on carb-laden foods. They introduced carbs little by little increasing their carb intake at a moderate pace. And are MAINTAINING their weight loss through low-carbing.
And please tell me, who are you to tell me I can't eat this way the rest of my life? It's my life and I will chose to live it the way I want. It's been a year now, and that doesn't seem like a "fad" or "short-term diet"
Eating lots of carbs makes me unhappy, eating a tiny bit of carbs makes me happy. I think I'm making the right choice.
A balanced keto diet approach, 65% fat, 35% protein, and 5% carbs is another viable way to live, be happy, and lose tons of weight.0 -
I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
science disagrees with you, sir.0 -
I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
Uh, yes, if I want to actually live long enough to enjoy my life without kidney disease, heart disease, diabetic retinopathy, and glaucoma to name a few of the health risks associated with excessive blood glucose levels.
I eat roughly 120 grams of carbs/day (sometimes more). This is in the form of fruit (primarily bananas), brown rice, and sometimes whole wheat bread or a baked potato. This would be a cardinal sin on a low-carb diet. However, is it really unhealthy? Of course not.0 -
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ermagerd... Why does everyone always say this? Can you elaborate on why you think it is unhealthy? Most bacon is only unhealthy because of the added nitrates and crap. If you're smart about what kind of bacon you buy, it's perfectly fine. And chocolate is generally not eaten on a keto diet (hello, sugar!), unless you have very dark chocolate (think 70% or higher). Dark chocolate is actually pretty good for you in moderation!I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.
Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.
Odd. I eat 25g of carbs, or less a day. I wake at 4am, spend an hour (6 days a week) at the gym. I work no less than 10 hours a day, asleep by 8:30pm and I'm FINALLY sleeping all night. I have never felt better, I'm anything but tired/moody. Come to think of it..I was tired and moody before I was introduced to keto...
And my hair/skin looks fabulous!
Whoa...whoa...whoa....you only eat 25g of carbs/day? That's completely unhealthy...especially when supplemented with a lifestyle of bacon & chocolate. At 25g (or less) of carbs/day I don't know how anyone could function.
If you're thinking about it being unhealthy on a micronutrients level, can a person on a keto diet not get all of their micronutrient needs through other non-carby foods like vegetables? Lots of veggies have the same micronutrients that fruit has, without all the unnecessary sugars.
The people that I've know who've tried to follow low carb fad diets ALWAYS supplemented their lack of carbs by eating "healthy" (read: low carb) foods like bacon. They would eat copious amounts of high-fat, cholesterol-laden foods "because they can". Eventually, they got the point where low carb was no longer sustainable...once they got off the low carb train the weight came back with a fury.
Low carb diets are the latest diet craze because they produce quick results (mostly water weight) but participants are encouraged to eat unhealthy, high-fat foods. Rather than eat a healthy balance of all the macros your body needs, they severely (and unnecessarily) limit carbs to unsustainable levels. I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
A balanced approach to diet (noun) and fitness is necessary for long-term success
Well the low carb people I know, eat tons of vegetables, with tons of bacon, and tons of nuts, and tons of cheese.
And when they were ready to go back to "normal" they didn't binge on carb-laden foods. They introduced carbs little by little increasing their carb intake at a moderate pace. And are MAINTAINING their weight loss through low-carbing.
And please tell me, who are you to tell me I can't eat this way the rest of my life? It's my life and I will chose to live it the way I want. It's been a year now, and that doesn't seem like a "fad" or "short-term diet"
Eating lots of carbs makes me unhappy, eating a tiny bit of carbs makes me happy. I think I'm making the right choice.
A balanced keto diet approach, 65% fat, 35% protein, and 5% carbs is another viable way to live, be happy, and lose tons of weight.
You can eat however you want. I just wish people would stop making carbs out to be the "the enemy" and realize that they are actually necessary for a well rounded diet.0 -
But why is eating fat so bad? Us low-carbers seem to get shunned for apparently demonizing carbs, but you're doing exactly the same thing with fat by making it seem like the villain. Eating fat does not make you fat.
ermagerd... Why does everyone always say this? Can you elaborate on why you think it is unhealthy? Most bacon is only unhealthy because of the added nitrates and crap. If you're smart about what kind of bacon you buy, it's perfectly fine. And chocolate is generally not eaten on a keto diet (hello, sugar!), unless you have very dark chocolate (think 70% or higher). Dark chocolate is actually pretty good for you in moderation!
Whoa...whoa...whoa....you only eat 25g of carbs/day? That's completely unhealthy...especially when supplemented with a lifestyle of bacon & chocolate. At 25g (or less) of carbs/day I don't know how anyone could function.
If you're thinking about it being unhealthy on a micronutrients level, can a person on a keto diet not get all of their micronutrient needs through other non-carby foods like vegetables? Lots of veggies have the same micronutrients that fruit has, without all the unnecessary sugars.
The people that I've know who've tried to follow low carb fad diets ALWAYS supplemented their lack of carbs by eating "healthy" (read: low carb) foods like bacon. They would eat copious amounts of high-fat, cholesterol-laden foods "because they can". Eventually, they got the point where low carb was no longer sustainable...once they got off the low carb train the weight came back with a fury.
Low carb diets are the latest diet craze because they produce quick results (mostly water weight) but participants are encouraged to eat unhealthy, high-fat foods. Rather than eat a healthy balance of all the macros your body needs, they severely (and unnecessarily) limit carbs to unsustainable levels. I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
A balanced approach to diet (noun) and fitness is necessary for long-term success
You're right in saying that the majority of people jumping on the low-carb train will end up derailing later and gaining it all back with a fury. But, if a person does it smart by reintroducing carbs into their diet gradually (like upping carb intake by 50g per week for a few weeks), then the weight re-gain will be minimal and mostly due to water. You just have to approach it the right way to make it work.0 -
I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
Uh, yes, if I want to actually live long enough to enjoy my life without kidney disease, heart disease, diabetic retinopathy, and glaucoma to name a few of the health risks associated with excessive blood glucose levels.
I eat roughly 120 grams of carbs/day (sometimes more). This is in the form of fruit (primarily bananas), brown rice, and sometimes whole wheat bread or a baked potato. This would be a cardinal sin on a low-carb diet. However, is it really unhealthy? Of course not.
Are you following a low carb diet? No.
You are following you're own plan, and I am following my own.
Who has the right to say that one is better than the other?
We do what works for us low-carbers, and you do what works for you,
Everyone is here to get healthy, and the op just asked for our opinions on Keto.
I believe everyone has their freewill and will chose to their best interest,
and whatever renders the most success in their attempt to live a healthy life.
Live and let live.0 -
I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
Ketogenic diets have been around since the 1920s. It's got a lot of research behind it and it's perfectly healthy if done correctly.
Therapeutic keto was developed in the 1920's for epilepsy, but was more-or-less phased out with the introduction of medicine to control episodes. That said, it does seem to have a modicum of effectiveness for those with epilepsy.
It is still used as a treatment for epilepsy. We looked into it when our daughter was diagnosed with a rare form of epilepsy, doose syndrome, that has been known to not respond to drug treatments.0 -
I'd love some people to educate themselves at least a bit on newer info on the poison and dangers of so called healthy foods and the facts that good fats are such a benefit and that the whole cholestrol scaremongering had many mistakes especially re fat. Good fats are good, including good bacon; sugar and white flour are causing heart attacks and obesity! The mass producers of grains and sugar etc have had so much power and brainwashed us well!!0
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ermagerd... Why does everyone always say this? Can you elaborate on why you think it is unhealthy? Most bacon is only unhealthy because of the added nitrates and crap. If you're smart about what kind of bacon you buy, it's perfectly fine. And chocolate is generally not eaten on a keto diet (hello, sugar!), unless you have very dark chocolate (think 70% or higher). Dark chocolate is actually pretty good for you in moderation!I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.
Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.
Odd. I eat 25g of carbs, or less a day. I wake at 4am, spend an hour (6 days a week) at the gym. I work no less than 10 hours a day, asleep by 8:30pm and I'm FINALLY sleeping all night. I have never felt better, I'm anything but tired/moody. Come to think of it..I was tired and moody before I was introduced to keto...
And my hair/skin looks fabulous!
Whoa...whoa...whoa....you only eat 25g of carbs/day? That's completely unhealthy...especially when supplemented with a lifestyle of bacon & chocolate. At 25g (or less) of carbs/day I don't know how anyone could function.
If you're thinking about it being unhealthy on a micronutrients level, can a person on a keto diet not get all of their micronutrient needs through other non-carby foods like vegetables? Lots of veggies have the same micronutrients that fruit has, without all the unnecessary sugars.
The people that I've know who've tried to follow low carb fad diets ALWAYS supplemented their lack of carbs by eating "healthy" (read: low carb) foods like bacon. They would eat copious amounts of high-fat, cholesterol-laden foods "because they can". Eventually, they got the point where low carb was no longer sustainable...once they got off the low carb train the weight came back with a fury.
Low carb diets are the latest diet craze because they produce quick results (mostly water weight) but participants are encouraged to eat unhealthy, high-fat foods. Rather than eat a healthy balance of all the macros your body needs, they severely (and unnecessarily) limit carbs to unsustainable levels. I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
A balanced approach to diet (noun) and fitness is necessary for long-term success
Well the low carb people I know, eat tons of vegetables, with tons of bacon, and tons of nuts, and tons of cheese.
And when they were ready to go back to "normal" they didn't binge on carb-laden foods. They introduced carbs little by little increasing their carb intake at a moderate pace. And are MAINTAINING their weight loss through low-carbing.
And please tell me, who are you to tell me I can't eat this way the rest of my life? It's my life and I will chose to live it the way I want. It's been a year now, and that doesn't seem like a "fad" or "short-term diet"
Eating lots of carbs makes me unhappy, eating a tiny bit of carbs makes me happy. I think I'm making the right choice.
A balanced keto diet approach, 65% fat, 35% protein, and 5% carbs is another viable way to live, be happy, and lose tons of weight.
You can eat however you want. I just wish people would stop making carbs out to be the "the enemy" and realize that they are actually necessary for a well rounded diet.
Not one of us "low-carbers" has said carbs are the enemy or that we were eliminating them completely.
Carbs are still in our diet, but they are very low in count. And high in fiber. We chose vegetables as our main source of carbs, versus bread or pasta.0 -
I think the whole "low carb lifestyle" has been completely over-hyped.
I think you may be one of those people who are not carbohydrate intolerant or insulin resistant and you should be glad. But, until you open your mind to the reality that there are many people out there with widely varying degrees of both issues, you will never understand that for us it is not over-hyped, but under-hyped. There are many people who would benefit metabolically from a low carb or keto diet and they never try it because people like you with limited and biased information tell them it is unhealthy and over-hyped. The fact that many in the medical field are just as uninformed as you doesn't change the fact that this way of eating works for many people and it is more healthy than feeding ourselves with foods we are unable to properly process. Do a little research on the side effects of uncontrolled Diabetes and tell me those are healthy for me.
Claiming that everyone else, including medical professionals, are somehow "uninformed" is a dead giveaway to a fad diet.
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
And how many years did the medical establishment tell us that eating margarine was more healthy for us before they finally accepted the fact that trans fats are bad for people?
I'm not saying "everyone" is misinformed. There are a lot of people out there who have done the research and read the arguments in favor of and against low carb or ketogenic diets. Have you? I doubt it. You stated yourself in this very post that the limited research you did led you to believe this was an all bacon diet and therefore bad and that perhaps that is not the case. By your own admission, you know very little about a ketogenic diet, but yet here you are telling us how unhealthy it is. Please, go read a book or ten about low carb/ketogenic diets and how they function in a person with carbohydrate intolerance and insulin resistance and then come back and tell me how I should eat the same "healthy" high carb diet that has been slowly killing me for the past 25 years.0 -
bananas are not the only foods with carbs..u can get LOTS of carbs from other fruit and veg and live a VERY normal life on 100 grams or less of carbs..I eat this way and other than the adjustment period this has been the best thing I have ever done.It has allowed me to get control of my sugar cravings.I have been losing inches as well as weight and I feel great!I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
Fads don't last 40 years. Less than 100 g of carbs per day is perfectly sustainable, and is perfectly healthy.
Meh, that may be. Still, 100g of carbs is equal to roughly 3 bananas. Cutting carbs that much will make you feel tired/moody all the time.0 -
But why is eating fat so bad? Us low-carbers seem to get shunned for apparently demonizing carbs, but you're doing exactly the same thing with fat by making it seem like the villain. Eating fat does not make you fat.
ermagerd... Why does everyone always say this? Can you elaborate on why you think it is unhealthy? Most bacon is only unhealthy because of the added nitrates and crap. If you're smart about what kind of bacon you buy, it's perfectly fine. And chocolate is generally not eaten on a keto diet (hello, sugar!), unless you have very dark chocolate (think 70% or higher). Dark chocolate is actually pretty good for you in moderation!
Whoa...whoa...whoa....you only eat 25g of carbs/day? That's completely unhealthy...especially when supplemented with a lifestyle of bacon & chocolate. At 25g (or less) of carbs/day I don't know how anyone could function.
If you're thinking about it being unhealthy on a micronutrients level, can a person on a keto diet not get all of their micronutrient needs through other non-carby foods like vegetables? Lots of veggies have the same micronutrients that fruit has, without all the unnecessary sugars.
The people that I've know who've tried to follow low carb fad diets ALWAYS supplemented their lack of carbs by eating "healthy" (read: low carb) foods like bacon. They would eat copious amounts of high-fat, cholesterol-laden foods "because they can". Eventually, they got the point where low carb was no longer sustainable...once they got off the low carb train the weight came back with a fury.
Low carb diets are the latest diet craze because they produce quick results (mostly water weight) but participants are encouraged to eat unhealthy, high-fat foods. Rather than eat a healthy balance of all the macros your body needs, they severely (and unnecessarily) limit carbs to unsustainable levels. I mean, come, let's get real: are you really going to be able to eat only ~25g carbs/day every day for the rest of your life...NO.
A balanced approach to diet (noun) and fitness is necessary for long-term success
You're right in saying that the majority of people jumping on the low-carb train will end up derailing later and gaining it all back with a fury. But, if a person does it smart by reintroducing carbs into their diet gradually (like upping carb intake by 50g per week for a few weeks), then the weight re-gain will be minimal and mostly due to water. You just have to approach it the right way to make it work.
I didn't say fat was villainous. One should eat a healthy balance of all their macros (fat, carbs, protein)...severely limiting or over-eating a certain category is not healthy. The people that I knew that did the low carb thing were eating way too many high-fat foods daily.0 -
I think the whole "low carb lifestyle" has been completely over-hyped.
I think you may be one of those people who are not carbohydrate intolerant or insulin resistant and you should be glad. But, until you open your mind to the reality that there are many people out there with widely varying degrees of both issues, you will never understand that for us it is not over-hyped, but under-hyped. There are many people who would benefit metabolically from a low carb or keto diet and they never try it because people like you with limited and biased information tell them it is unhealthy and over-hyped. The fact that many in the medical field are just as uninformed as you doesn't change the fact that this way of eating works for many people and it is more healthy than feeding ourselves with foods we are unable to properly process. Do a little research on the side effects of uncontrolled Diabetes and tell me those are healthy for me.
Claiming that everyone else, including medical professionals, are somehow "uninformed" is a dead giveaway to a fad diet.
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
And how many years did the medical establishment tell us that eating margarine was more healthy for us before they finally accepted the fact that trans fats are bad for people?
I'm not saying "everyone" is misinformed. There are a lot of people out there who have done the research and read the arguments in favor of and against low carb or ketogenic diets. Have you? I doubt it. You stated yourself in this very post that the limited research you did led you to believe this was an all bacon diet and therefore bad and that perhaps that is not the case. By your own admission, you know very little about a ketogenic diet, but yet here you are telling us how unhealthy it is. Please, go read a book or ten about low carb/ketogenic diets and how they function in a person with carbohydrate intolerance and insulin resistance and then come back and tell me how I should eat the same "healthy" high carb diet that has been slowly killing me for the past 25 years.
Somehow this conversation morphed from Keto to low-carb fad diets. I was initially misinformed about Keto, but not about low-carb fad diets.
Regarding low-carb diets, I trust the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279/NSECTIONGROUP=20 -
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
I can agree with this. I think for many people like myself carbs are the enemy, but I am extremely carbohydrate sensitive. My case is probably the opposite extreme of how you process carbs. But that doesn't mean I am going to tell you that you are eating unhealthy and that your high carb diet is a fad. For me carbs over 100g a day is "high carb." You might disagree and that's fine for you. My point is that what is fine for you is not fine for everyone.
I believe there are a lot of people out there eating unhealthy fats under the guise of "eating a low carb diet" and they cannot sustain that because they aren't giving their bodies the nutrients they need. There is no such thing as a no carb diet because you need the nutrients that you find in vegetables and some fruits. Low carb and ketogenic diets are not for everyone, and many people use them improperly (a basic human trait to misuse things) but that doesn't make them a fad or unhealthy.
Everyone does need an overall healthy lifestyle, but what many people fail to understand is that your healthy lifestyle isn't necessarily healthy for me and vice versa.0 -
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Ummm.... just,
A ketogenic "keto" diet is quite simply any diet that forces the body into a process called ketosis, whereby fats are burned instead of carbohydrates for use as energy. A proper ketogenic diet calls for the dieter to consume high amounts of fat, adequate amounts of protein, and very low amounts of carbohydrates. Our bodies are used to turning carbohydrates into glucose to send all over the body as energy. When we enter ketosis by sufficiently limiting our carbohydrate intake, our livers start breaking down fat cells into fatty acids and ketones, to be used as energy.
It has many similarities to the Atkin’s Diet, and is cousins with other popular diets like South Beach and Paleo.
High amounts of fat, Low amounts of carbs, and I haven't died or had any medical complication yet!
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http://exercise.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/lowcarb.htm
http://www.webmd.com/diet/high-protein-low-carbohydrate-diets
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279
There is no argument that low carb high fat will help you lose weight. After reading all of these articles I stand by my thoughts that low carb is not worth the risk.0 -
Sounds like the atkins diet to me! I love atkins diet. I will look into into this as well. Good luck on your journey0
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Keto and Primal sound very similar... here is an interesting article from Marks Daily Apple on carbs vs. fat as an energy source.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/#axzz2RxuSIIEv0 -
Regarding low-carb diets, I trust the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279/NSECTIONGROUP=2
I agree that anyone who is following a low carb diet solely as a means to lose weight is going to gain all of the weight back once they stop. This is definition of a low carb fad diet. That I can agree with. The problem is that this is not what the low carb diet is intended to be. It is intended to be a way of life. It has been abused by many and misunderstood by many and this causes a lot of problems to the validity of low carb diets. After all, a ketogenic diet IS a low carb diet by definition.
But I do understand the point you are trying to make - the counter to that is that it is not the low carb way of eating, it is the tendancy of people to look for quick fixes and then just go back to eating unhealthy again that is the problem. People do this to themselves and those of us who are required to live a low carb lifestyle are forced to deal with the constant barrage of being told we are unhealthy.
I hate that the word "diet" has become synonymous with weight loss as it tends to scew the understanding of what a true low carb diet is.0 -
I think the whole "low carb lifestyle" has been completely over-hyped.
I think you may be one of those people who are not carbohydrate intolerant or insulin resistant and you should be glad. But, until you open your mind to the reality that there are many people out there with widely varying degrees of both issues, you will never understand that for us it is not over-hyped, but under-hyped. There are many people who would benefit metabolically from a low carb or keto diet and they never try it because people like you with limited and biased information tell them it is unhealthy and over-hyped. The fact that many in the medical field are just as uninformed as you doesn't change the fact that this way of eating works for many people and it is more healthy than feeding ourselves with foods we are unable to properly process. Do a little research on the side effects of uncontrolled Diabetes and tell me those are healthy for me.
Claiming that everyone else, including medical professionals, are somehow "uninformed" is a dead giveaway to a fad diet.
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
And how many years did the medical establishment tell us that eating margarine was more healthy for us before they finally accepted the fact that trans fats are bad for people?
I'm not saying "everyone" is misinformed. There are a lot of people out there who have done the research and read the arguments in favor of and against low carb or ketogenic diets. Have you? I doubt it. You stated yourself in this very post that the limited research you did led you to believe this was an all bacon diet and therefore bad and that perhaps that is not the case. By your own admission, you know very little about a ketogenic diet, but yet here you are telling us how unhealthy it is. Please, go read a book or ten about low carb/ketogenic diets and how they function in a person with carbohydrate intolerance and insulin resistance and then come back and tell me how I should eat the same "healthy" high carb diet that has been slowly killing me for the past 25 years.
Somehow this conversation morphed from Keto to low-carb fad diets. I was initially misinformed about Keto, but not about low-carb fad diets.
Regarding low-carb diets, I trust the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279/NSECTIONGROUP=2
Some of that article was pretty funny. "It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis"
Ketosis is the entire point of the dietary approach. All of the "symptoms" listed are transient and ARE in fact the same symptoms of hypoglycemia (I'm sure the diabetics here can tell ya).
Now of course we know "fat doesn't make you fat", yet the mayoclinic is still advocating the "low fat" diets most people got fat on?
It's unfortunate, but the healthcare industry doesn't exactly turn a profit from healthy people.0 -
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
I can agree with this. I think for many people like myself carbs are the enemy, but I am extremely carbohydrate sensitive. My case is probably the opposite extreme of how you process carbs. But that doesn't mean I am going to tell you that you are eating unhealthy and that your high carb diet is a fad. For me carbs over 100g a day is "high carb." You might disagree and that's fine for you. My point is that what is fine for you is not fine for everyone.
I believe there are a lot of people out there eating unhealthy fats under the guise of "eating a low carb diet" and they cannot sustain that because they aren't giving their bodies the nutrients they need. There is no such thing as a no carb diet because you need the nutrients that you find in vegetables and some fruits. Low carb and ketogenic diets are not for everyone, and many people use them improperly (a basic human trait to misuse things) but that doesn't make them a fad or unhealthy.
Everyone does need an overall healthy lifestyle, but what many people fail to understand is that your healthy lifestyle isn't necessarily healthy for me and vice versa.
Ha ha. Fair enough. I've just seen so many people crash and burn as a result of a low carb fad diet that I can't take it anymore. Fad diets are the bane of many would-be healthy people.0 -
I think the whole "low carb lifestyle" has been completely over-hyped.
I think you may be one of those people who are not carbohydrate intolerant or insulin resistant and you should be glad. But, until you open your mind to the reality that there are many people out there with widely varying degrees of both issues, you will never understand that for us it is not over-hyped, but under-hyped. There are many people who would benefit metabolically from a low carb or keto diet and they never try it because people like you with limited and biased information tell them it is unhealthy and over-hyped. The fact that many in the medical field are just as uninformed as you doesn't change the fact that this way of eating works for many people and it is more healthy than feeding ourselves with foods we are unable to properly process. Do a little research on the side effects of uncontrolled Diabetes and tell me those are healthy for me.
Claiming that everyone else, including medical professionals, are somehow "uninformed" is a dead giveaway to a fad diet.
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
And how many years did the medical establishment tell us that eating margarine was more healthy for us before they finally accepted the fact that trans fats are bad for people?
I'm not saying "everyone" is misinformed. There are a lot of people out there who have done the research and read the arguments in favor of and against low carb or ketogenic diets. Have you? I doubt it. You stated yourself in this very post that the limited research you did led you to believe this was an all bacon diet and therefore bad and that perhaps that is not the case. By your own admission, you know very little about a ketogenic diet, but yet here you are telling us how unhealthy it is. Please, go read a book or ten about low carb/ketogenic diets and how they function in a person with carbohydrate intolerance and insulin resistance and then come back and tell me how I should eat the same "healthy" high carb diet that has been slowly killing me for the past 25 years.
Somehow this conversation morphed from Keto to low-carb fad diets. I was initially misinformed about Keto, but not about low-carb fad diets.
Regarding low-carb diets, I trust the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279/NSECTIONGROUP=2
Some of that article was pretty funny. "It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis"
Ketosis is the entire point of the dietary approach. All of the "symptoms" listed are transient and ARE in fact the same symptoms of hypoglycemia (I'm sure the diabetics here can tell ya).
Now of course we know "fat doesn't make you fat", yet the mayoclinic is still advocating the "low fat" diets most people got fat on?
It's unfortunate, but the healthcare industry doesn't exactly turn a profit from healthy people.
"It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis. Ketosis occurs when you don't have enough sugar (glucose) for energy, so your body breaks down stored fat, causing ketones to build up in your body. Side effects from ketosis can include nausea, headache, mental fatigue and bad breath. "
Doesn't sound too good to me.
And please, spare me the "the healthcare industry keeps us sick for profit" speech.0 -
Well, I am diabetic, and why anyone would want to voluntarily put their bodies into ketosis is beyond me.0
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I think the whole "low carb lifestyle" has been completely over-hyped.
I think you may be one of those people who are not carbohydrate intolerant or insulin resistant and you should be glad. But, until you open your mind to the reality that there are many people out there with widely varying degrees of both issues, you will never understand that for us it is not over-hyped, but under-hyped. There are many people who would benefit metabolically from a low carb or keto diet and they never try it because people like you with limited and biased information tell them it is unhealthy and over-hyped. The fact that many in the medical field are just as uninformed as you doesn't change the fact that this way of eating works for many people and it is more healthy than feeding ourselves with foods we are unable to properly process. Do a little research on the side effects of uncontrolled Diabetes and tell me those are healthy for me.
Claiming that everyone else, including medical professionals, are somehow "uninformed" is a dead giveaway to a fad diet.
I'm not saying that eating a ton of carbs, or eating fake carbs, is okay, I'm just saying that carbs have somehow become the enemy in today's fad diet environment; however, when in eaten as part of an overall healthy lifestyle...carbs are essential.
And how many years did the medical establishment tell us that eating margarine was more healthy for us before they finally accepted the fact that trans fats are bad for people?
I'm not saying "everyone" is misinformed. There are a lot of people out there who have done the research and read the arguments in favor of and against low carb or ketogenic diets. Have you? I doubt it. You stated yourself in this very post that the limited research you did led you to believe this was an all bacon diet and therefore bad and that perhaps that is not the case. By your own admission, you know very little about a ketogenic diet, but yet here you are telling us how unhealthy it is. Please, go read a book or ten about low carb/ketogenic diets and how they function in a person with carbohydrate intolerance and insulin resistance and then come back and tell me how I should eat the same "healthy" high carb diet that has been slowly killing me for the past 25 years.
Somehow this conversation morphed from Keto to low-carb fad diets. I was initially misinformed about Keto, but not about low-carb fad diets.
Regarding low-carb diets, I trust the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/low-carb-diet/NU00279/NSECTIONGROUP=2
Some of that article was pretty funny. "It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis"
Ketosis is the entire point of the dietary approach. All of the "symptoms" listed are transient and ARE in fact the same symptoms of hypoglycemia (I'm sure the diabetics here can tell ya).
Now of course we know "fat doesn't make you fat", yet the mayoclinic is still advocating the "low fat" diets most people got fat on?
It's unfortunate, but the healthcare industry doesn't exactly turn a profit from healthy people.
"It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis. Ketosis occurs when you don't have enough sugar (glucose) for energy, so your body breaks down stored fat, causing ketones to build up in your body. Side effects from ketosis can include nausea, headache, mental fatigue and bad breath. "
Doesn't sound too good to me.
And please, spare me the "the healthcare industry keeps us sick for profit" speech.
Ugh, but the healthcare industry is trying keeping us sick and tired to make profit... just saying...
Whether or not we chose keep eating all that processed junk is totally different from the topic at hand of a person's freewill.
But those symptoms you speak of with ketosis, from my personal experience, and countless others are temporary, and go away after a week or so the are not permanent. And breaking down your stored body fat?!?! Oh no!! Who wants that to happen to their body?! Smelly breath versus breaking down stored body fat?
I invested in tic tacs for that first week.0 -
I know Keto may have worked for some, but to me it sounds like just another fad diet. Keto severely slashes carbs...sometimes to fewer than 100g/day; that's not healthy nor sustainable.
um...i eat 35g or less a day...have been for about a year and a half. HOW is that unhealthy or unsustainable? smh...
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and to answer the OP: i get a lot of recipes from 247lowcarbdiner.com. she is a kitchen WIZARD!!! PaleOMG and Civilized Caveman are also worth checking out. good luck with your changes!0 -
Well, I am diabetic, and why anyone would want to voluntarily put their bodies into ketosis is beyond me.
To teach my body to burn it's own body fat, and fat I feed it for energy versus carbs/glucose for energy.0 -
Hmm. I don't purposely try to be in ketosis as I don't see it as beneficial to me at this point. That said, I was in ketosis for the first few months of my epic weight loss quest, but when I started lifting heavy weights, I found I needed to bump up my carbs slightly. I eat anywhere from 30-70g carbs/daily now, but I'm usually more towards the higher end...around 60-70g. Prior to lifting I stayed under 50g/day with no problems.
Apart from what I mentioned with the energy issue when I first started lifting, I've not had any trouble getting through my pretty intense schedule of training. I think anyone, regardless of carb intake, has to deal with adjusting to new sorts of training, and often that requires adjustment of one's diet.
I eat this way because I have health issues I'm managing, so it's not some wacky "fad diet" sorta thing for me. I have insulin resistance, PCOS, and am sensitive to gluten, as well as a few food allergies. Since I've changed my eating I've managed to get off ALL the meds I was on for PCOS and the insulin resistance. I'm doing great with keeping my hormones balanced and my blood sugar in check, and this is due to both my diet changes and the sort of exercise I do.
Riding your bike 3 or 4 miles would not be a problem on less than 120g/carbs if you were acclimated to eating less carbs and were eating healthy foods. A 3-4 mile bike ride is really quite short, actually. From your earlier posts, I was thinking you were some sort of endurance athlete, cycling hundreds of miles, LOL! I was agreeing with you that it would be hard to ride great distances with no carbs whatsoever. Though there are indeed endurance cyclists who stay pretty low carb. Check out Vinnie Tortorich, for instance. My exercise consists of a daily 4 mile walk, in addition to the lifting or kettlebell training, depending on the day.
Bacon--yes, I eat it a few times per week. It's tasty! However the bulk of my diet is made up of a variety of veggies (lots of leafy greens) and whatever protein, a bit of fruit, the occasional sweet potato...healthy fats. Nothing weird or unhealthy about it. I have a little dark chocolate here and there.0 -
"It's also possible that severely restricting carbohydrates to less than 20 grams a day can result in ketosis. Ketosis occurs when you don't have enough sugar (glucose) for energy, so your body breaks down stored fat, causing ketones to build up in your body. Side effects from ketosis can include nausea, headache, mental fatigue and bad breath. "
Doesn't sound too good to me.
The primary reason that stuff happens is because none of us really get into that state in our entire lives, up until the point we actually enter ketosis.
To use another analogy of the body fighting change, think of drug addicts or alcoholics. If you did X everyday for 20 years, then all of a sudden stopped; you wouldn't exactly be in great shape.
The symptoms of hypoglycemia go away relatively quickly, DT can be fatal.
Really if our body wasn't meant to use fat as a source of energy, that ability wouldn't be there. There's nothing unnatural or dangerous about it.
Now I'm not trying to spout off some conspiracy theory here. But really the healthcare industry makes money from recurrent patients, and medications. You'd be hard pressed to find (anyone really) that goes to the doctor regularly, that is 50+, and on anything less then 10 meds.0
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