A Frustrated Girl who Runs and Lifts
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Well... it is my understanding that long periods at a higher heart rate does cause your body to resort more to muscle than fat for an energy source. I don't know why. I know it's not fair, but that is just how the body does. Like you said, though, I'm sure it is because protein is a more efficient source of energy than fat.
You might not like my suggestion, but if I were you, I would load up on more carbs... even some with more fat. Maybe allow yourself to indulge in something less clean on the days you run. It will give your body more to work with than having to depend so much upon itself for energy.0 -
LaurenAOK,
My run sessions were between 3-4 hours long not 30 min. You seem good at math.....imagine how many calories I would need to eat to gain 10lbs while burning that many calories.
Thanks for your reply but I was interested in advice from someone who can relate with those numbers.
My trainer told me that after an hour of hard core cardio, the body stops burning fat and burns muscle. LaurenAOK clearly has the right idea. You are a bit more hardcore and need to research on a different site. Congrats on your 16% body fat. I'm 26%. I workout like an animal no less than 5 days a week. Maybe you need a bodybuilding or marathon site. No offense intended, but maybe we are the wrong place for you. good luck with your training.0 -
13,500 posts in a little over a year. Holy moly. How??? I should have known better. I bet you argue a lot on here. I'm done lol. Have already spent way too much time wasting my breath lol.
Being a moderator of a very popular fitness group on here would do that, I imagine.
MFP is the only place on the internet where being active in the forums is seen as a bad thing. Some of us read and type very fast; if it takes you an hour to formulate a 300 word post, I guess I can see how a high post count might be interpreted incorrectly.0 -
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I am training for a marathon and lifting...maybe I should rethink my plan...? I was keeping the lifting in my plan because I tend to get on the scrawny side when I put in the miles and was hoping lifting would help keep some curves. Hmmm...0
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I have a love for distance running & weights too. Usually the first half of the year I can find a great balance between running & strength training because I am only running half marathons. I've done six halfs so far this year. Starting in late June though, I begin training for my fall full. This will be my third year of doing so. By the time the full rolls around in October, my body comp will look different than when I initially began training. I attribute it to the added sodium & carb intake needed to fuel those long runs. You look great! Don't give up doing what you love! Feel free to send me a FR.
Take care!
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Well this certainly went nowhere.0
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Long distance running is absolutely awful for body compositions. Especially THAT long.
Diet, lift, and SPRINT. You will be incredibly lean in no time.
total BS. what if you don't want to sprint???
Long Distance Running helped me lose over 50 lbs, I'm leaner than I have ever been..including when i played college football.0 -
So I am going to ignore the useless "debate" part of this thread and give you my opinion/experience.
First I cannot imagine gaining 10# training for a marathon. When I am in my high mileage weeks, I'm dropping weight like crazy while stuffing down everything I see.
My first marathon I was doing very minimal strength training and got extremely lean. Probably the leanest I'd been in a long time, and also lost a small amount of overall muscle mass.
My 2nd time around I upped my strength training and miles, still leaned out a ton, but didn't lose the muscle mass like I had previously.
Currently I've backed off my running a good bit and whether i go up or down 100% relies on eating above or below maintenance. My body comp is pretty stable. I'm likely to start training for marathon #3 next spring and plan to continue my strength training solidly during it. My suggestions are to try and eat more things that are satisfying and nutrient dense. Get a better handle on what you are eating(calorie wise) & what you are expending, 3600 calories burnt running a day is not realistic. And if you were running that much and only eating 2000 cals, that jsut doesnt add up. Something is off, very off.0 -
Fact: some guys do not speak for all guys.Opinions are not facts.
Oh yea LOL0 -
I want to start off by saying that Sarauk2sf knows her stuff.
Second, when running marathon distance, you can probably eat an entire container of ice cream.
For me, I run I can run half marathon distances. I haven't signed up for a full yet. I lift as well. The only issue I have is my long run and squats too close together.
I train based on the next race or looking out forward for what I have going on and I adjust accordingly. I just stopped caring about the scale and body composition. I think OP you have too many goals and desires. Just prioritize and it will fall into place.
Mine right now, Increase my basic lifts, trail distance ruin, improve 5k time, eat semi healthy..0 -
I really have nothing valuable to contribute to this thread other than to say that some folks on here have given some good advice.
Other than that....this Thread has basically become this :0 -
but who was phone?0
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Myself and a number of running friends all put on weight while training for marathons, despite tracking food and not just relying on hunger. There are several factors at work.
First your body becomes very efficient at running, so whatever method you use to track the calorie burn - HRM, MFP, running app, etc. it will vastly overestimate your burn once you've been doing it for a while.
Secondly, I believe a different energy release mechanism kicks in after you've been running for a while, so you won't burn as much on mile 10 as you did on mile 1.
Also when you're body is expecting to run regularly, it kicks back when you're not running. Find you get cold and tired more and drop off when you're training?
And, yes, there is a factor of the odd extra mouthful because you're continually ravenous!
I couldn't lift and run while I was training - aching every day from different stresses on my muscles meant neither my running nor lifting sessions were as good as they could been. So I stuck to injury prevention running exercises and bodyweight upper body and core.
Run to be an awesome runner, not to lose weight. And I have to say it looks like you're in good shape already!0 -
You should do more research on the fast and slow twitch muscle fibres. From what I understand, to be very good at endurance running you need a much higher percentage of slow twitch muscle fibres, and to be good at weight lifting (anaerobic) you need to have a much higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibres. Fast twitch muscle fibres help with anaerobic respiration and quick release energy (that runs out fast) and slow twitch fibres help with aerobic respiration and a slow and steady release of energy (that is necessary for endurance). Definitely do some research - you can't be good at both, I'm pretty sure. As an example, in an event or something ( I can't remember what it was) , a weight lifter beat Mo Farrah (British 10k Olympic Gold Medallist) in a short distance sprint because although he didn't train in running he had a much high percentage of fast twitch muscle fibres than Mo Farrah.0
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This is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to comment on your diary, OP--it's fascinating. I am no good at endurance running, but if I ate beans every meal, I could probably fly a marathon.
Carry on, everyone.0 -
Well this thread certainly took a turn since the last time I looked at it a few hours ago.
FYI to the OP, you may want to listen to Sarauk2sf. The reason she has so many posts is because she is very knowledgable, especially about body recomposition and lifting and spends a lot of time and effort helping others. You'd be wise to listen to her. And I agree about the body shaming. Not okay. Stop it.
^this. Sara helps a lot of people. Not only does the body shaming on here appall me, but the attacks on Sara just blow my mind. and OP, you bring up some thing on her profile and don't even know why. Just doing it to cause a stir. Best of luck on your goals. Too bad for you that you'll miss out getting to really know one of the most supportive, helpful, and knowledgable people around.0 -
Well this thread certainly took a turn since the last time I looked at it a few hours ago.
FYI to the OP, you may want to listen to Sarauk2sf. The reason she has so many posts is because she is very knowledgable, especially about body recomposition and lifting and spends a lot of time and effort helping others. You'd be wise to listen to her. And I agree about the body shaming. Not okay. Stop it.
^this. Sara helps a lot of people. Not only does the body shaming on here appall me, but the attacks on Sara just blow my mind. and OP, you bring up some thing on her profile and don't even know why. Just doing it to cause a stir. Best of luck on your goals. Too bad for you that you'll miss out getting to really know one of the most supportive, helpful, and knowledgable people around.
Wait... people were trashing on Sara?? OP in particular???
That's just not right! You ask for help about body recomposition and you attack someone with knowledge of it who is trying to help. If you don't want to take her advice, that is one thing, but attacking someone for it causes them not to want to offer help. Something like that could deprive others!! Shame on you!0 -
Well this thread certainly took a turn since the last time I looked at it a few hours ago.
FYI to the OP, you may want to listen to Sarauk2sf. The reason she has so many posts is because she is very knowledgable, especially about body recomposition and lifting and spends a lot of time and effort helping others. You'd be wise to listen to her. And I agree about the body shaming. Not okay. Stop it.
^this. Sara helps a lot of people. Not only does the body shaming on here appall me, but the attacks on Sara just blow my mind. and OP, you bring up some thing on her profile and don't even know why. Just doing it to cause a stir. Best of luck on your goals. Too bad for you that you'll miss out getting to really know one of the most supportive, helpful, and knowledgable people around.
Wait... people were trashing on Sara?? OP in particular???
That's just not right! You ask for help about body recomposition and you attack someone with knowledge of it who is trying to help. If you don't want to take her advice, that is one thing, but attacking someone for it causes them not to want to offer help. Something like that could deprive others!! Shame on you!
Please note:
Body shaming = unacceptable
General shaming for douchebaggery and asshattery = completely acceptable.0 -
Have you read any of Rachel Cosgrove's books? She's a lifter and experienced the same thing. She talks about in her books. She had a good scientific explanation of how it happened. Most libraries have her fitness books. I think it was in " the Female Body Breakthrough" where I read it.
Here is an article from Rachel describing her experience.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_final_nail_in_the_cardio_coffin0 -
Well this thread certainly took a turn since the last time I looked at it a few hours ago.
FYI to the OP, you may want to listen to Sarauk2sf. The reason she has so many posts is because she is very knowledgable, especially about body recomposition and lifting and spends a lot of time and effort helping others. You'd be wise to listen to her. And I agree about the body shaming. Not okay. Stop it.
^this. Sara helps a lot of people. Not only does the body shaming on here appall me, but the attacks on Sara just blow my mind. and OP, you bring up some thing on her profile and don't even know why. Just doing it to cause a stir. Best of luck on your goals. Too bad for you that you'll miss out getting to really know one of the most supportive, helpful, and knowledgable people around.
Wait... people were trashing on Sara?? OP in particular???
That's just not right! You ask for help about body recomposition and you attack someone with knowledge of it who is trying to help. If you don't want to take her advice, that is one thing, but attacking someone for it causes them not to want to offer help. Something like that could deprive others!! Shame on you!
Please note:
Body shaming = unacceptable
General shaming for douchebaggery and asshattery = completely acceptable.
Haha! Always! :drinker:0 -
Well this thread certainly took a turn since the last time I looked at it a few hours ago.
FYI to the OP, you may want to listen to Sarauk2sf. The reason she has so many posts is because she is very knowledgable, especially about body recomposition and lifting and spends a lot of time and effort helping others. You'd be wise to listen to her. And I agree about the body shaming. Not okay. Stop it.
^this. Sara helps a lot of people. Not only does the body shaming on here appall me, but the attacks on Sara just blow my mind. and OP, you bring up some thing on her profile and don't even know why. Just doing it to cause a stir. Best of luck on your goals. Too bad for you that you'll miss out getting to really know one of the most supportive, helpful, and knowledgable people around.
Wait... people were trashing on Sara?? OP in particular???
That's just not right! You ask for help about body recomposition and you attack someone with knowledge of it who is trying to help. If you don't want to take her advice, that is one thing, but attacking someone for it causes them not to want to offer help. Something like that could deprive others!! Shame on you!
Please note:
Body shaming = unacceptable
General shaming for douchebaggery and asshattery = completely acceptable.
I see no problem there. :drinker:0 -
It's not me being harsh. It's science. Sorry if I offended you all so much lol.
Seriously, google pictures of marathoners vs sprinters. This is not opinion, it's widely accepted scientific fact lol. Long distance burns your muscle. Not to mention all the negative effects it has on your hormones...
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SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! It's a widely accepted scientific fact that sprinters look better than marathon runners!!!!
OMG....!!
Yes clearly you're right the OP should quit running and just lift cos that way she can get to have guys like you letching at her fit bod all the time which will be so much more satisfying than any athletic successes that she may achieve as a runner!!
Beyond shallow!!0 -
This is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to comment on your diary, OP--it's fascinating. I am no good at endurance running, but if I ate beans every meal, I could probably fly a marathon.
Carry on, everyone.
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Long distance running is absolutely awful for body compositions. Especially THAT long.
Diet, lift, and SPRINT. You will be incredibly lean in no time.
Indeed. All of those marathon fatties. yuck.
While I agree with your general premise, if you don't think those two lift weights you're insane.
Side note: I was working the mile 22 water stop for the Boston Marathon a few years ago and handed Goucher a cup of water. Not only that, I'd called it four hours earlier when we were setting up. Having long arms has its benefits
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The OP should consider herself blessed if Sara and SideSteel are feeling gracious enough to help after her reactions to Sara in this thread (I wouldn't be feeling very gracious if it were me). Just saying.0 -
Re: the difference in distance runners' and sprinters' physique, it's not so much that their type or running gives them that physique, it's that they specifically diet and train to get the best physique to make them fast at that distance, with a big side-order of genetic makeup.
Olympic champion distance runner Mo Farah does powerlifting to make him awesome at 5K, 10K and now half and full marathons. He can squat 200lb, 1.5 times his bodyweight, for 4-6 reps!!!0 -
I have cut down on my miles significantly and now only running 3-6 miles on the days I run. I do more weights and see much better results. I am sure you have thought of this, but what are you are eating on your long runs? Gels, jelly beans, ect. Those hold a lot of calories. I have trained with other runners for marathons and half marathon and they had the same issue as you, but after the run they would be starving and make bad eating decisions. During the run they would take way too many Gels!0
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Long distance running is absolutely awful for body compositions. Especially THAT long.
Diet, lift, and SPRINT. You will be incredibly lean in no time.
Indeed. All of those marathon fatties. yuck.
Are you being sarcastic? If so, then look google pictures of sprinters compared to distance runners. You will change your view. Marathoner runners look gross. The chicks are skinny fat with no *kitten*. Sprinters look PERFECT physically.
agreed.
I look like one of these two ladies. Okay maybe a wee bit more leaner. A lot of running. Some lifting stuffs and putting them down. Some eating well. Some maybe not. And many many many many years of sweat, hard work, determination and tears it took.
I am offended that they are being called gross.
Basically, ten years plus of running has made me gross.
My poor soul bleeds.0 -
It's not me being harsh. It's science. Sorry if I offended you all so much lol.
Seriously, google pictures of marathoners vs sprinters. This is not opinion, it's widely accepted scientific fact lol. Long distance burns your muscle. Not to mention all the negative effects it has on your hormones...
SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! It's a widely accepted scientific fact that sprinters look better than marathon runners!!!!
OMG....!!
Yes clearly you're right the OP should quit running and just lift cos that way she can get to have guys like you letching at her fit bod all the time which will be so much more satisfying than any athletic successes that she may achieve as a runner!!
Beyond shallow!!
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^^^Yep.
So if you already know that lifting + diet + sprinting is the way to attain the desired aesthetic results, what is the question? I am in no way trying to "throw shade" at the OP, but what is it that you really want? You have a beautiful body that can run marathons and bench 185? But none of that means anything because you gained 10 pounds?
I think you could possibly have it all if you do maybe 1 long distance run per week when you are not training for a marathon. Do 1 or 2 marathons a year, and then focus on lifting when you are not training.0
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