Does milk count as water?

MyChocolateDiet · July 2013

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My dietician advises me that all liquids count as 'water'..your body will use them as such. She ALSO states that there is a lot of misinformation out there, such as the 'soda doesn't count'...caffeine thing. There isn't enough caffeine in soda/coffee to negate the effects of the water, but that myth persists.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you have doubts, ask a dietitian

Good post however, on a side note there are things in Soda that are hard on the body and it should not be used as a method of hydration -- actually, it should be avoided by anyone trying to lose weight -- and diet is not better.

But then why do I feel like such crap if I have too much caffeine and why does water or another non caffeinated liquid make me feel better?

Same goes for alcohol, what about hangovers?

You feel like crap because you have too much caffeine, not because of anything to do with hydration. Alcohol *doesn't* count because it is dehydrating, but caffeine is not.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

Ok. that makes sense. Caffeine not as dehydrating as alcohol unless at higher levels. Still make-feel-like-crap worthy though due to too much caffeine though. So still back to the old saying....wait for it....."MODERATION!!!" HAA BLahhhhh HAAAAAAAAA!!!

BrainyBurro · July 2013

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a) You don't need 8 glasses of water a day,

b) You need to consume enough FLUIDS to keep your body hydrated.

c) If your urine is pale yellow you are hydrated.

d) Any kind of liquid will hydrate your body. Coffee, tea, milk, juice, soda, soups, etc. An apple is 85% water.

e) There is no proof that drinking large amounts of water has any effect on weight loss beyond making you feel full.

This. Pee pale and everythings ok.

i hardly ever pee clear and i've survived 45 years with dying even once. the "pee clear" thing is broscience perpetuated by trainers.

No it's moscience since it's a mommy idea perpetuated by me to my kids. It seems to be an easy to understand concept that keeps them interested in drinking fluids and checking on their pee's when I'm not around. I'll also note that the pee does turn super dark yellow whenever I don't have enough fluids. I've noticed and my grown kid who I taught this as a kid agrees.

And the only thing I'd change about the above post is that coffee is like anti-water because it actually dehydrates you so that and alcohol are the only ones where now you actually have to consume an extra glass of water per serving of caffeine drink or alcoholic beverage to offset any dehydration those may cause. This I heard from a neurologist cleaning me off caffeine so unsure what the "broscience" term would be for this....neuroscience? Noscience?

personal trainers almost universally tell their clients that they MUST drink enough water every day until they see clear pee. that's broscience and overkill. when your pee is clear, it's actually a sign that you are over-hydrated. of course that won't hurt you, your body just clears the extra water out of your body as quickly as it can.

OH! Now I see. Well, I didn't have trainers back in the day so I didn't hear it from them but I heard it from someplace back in the day and it appears from your reply that it has been extremified since I heard it. I was never under the impression the pee should be "clear" like water but just that it should be lighter yellow and that dark, dark yellow pee pee was a sign of heading toward dehydration and a cue that drinking more would be good. I'm glad you clarifiied that because NO I would not advise anyone to drink until pee pee is CLEAR just see thru yellow. Not clear like water. Anyways I think a person might naturally stop from just sheer bloating or potty visits before that point but who knows I remember that story of the lady who died from too much water from some competition or something.

here's an example of a typical personal trainer pushing the "pee clear" broscience. i found this page in 15 seconds with a google search. i'm sure there are zillions more just like this one.

http://www.davidkingfitness.com/home/137-day-49-of-100-is-your-pee-clear

Whenever people ask me how do I stay fit I point to one thing in particular that NOBODY really takes seriously that I think is a major factor....

WATER!! I drink 2 gallons a day. Most people drink half a gallon or less.

You will die in 3 days from dehydration. Whenever you don't drink water from 7am to 2pm because you were "too busy" the body begins to biologically set itself up to protect it from possible death.....up to and including slowing down the metabolism to conserve energy and water.

Drink at least a gallon a day and make sure your pee is clear all day everyday for optimal body function. Which means calorie burning!!

it's rubbish. it won't hurt you so long as you don't drink so much that you have to worry about water intoxication, but it's overkill.

mamosh81 · July 2013

a) You don't need 8 glasses of water a day,

b) You need to consume enough FLUIDS to keep your body hydrated.

c) If your urine is pale yellow you are hydrated.

d) Any kind of liquid will hydrate your body. Coffee, tea, milk, juice, soda, soups, etc. An apple is 85% water.

e) There is no proof that drinking large amounts of water has any effect on weight loss beyond making you feel full.

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Capt_Apollo · July 2013

no it does not.

i am fully aware that almost everything has water molecules in it. but i have never said "man, i'm thirsty, i could sure use a hamburger right now."

Achrya · July 2013

Does a large coca cola count as water?
No.

Except yes. Why wouldn't it? Because it has calories?

Hit the water glass AND log the calories. Easy.

MyChocolateDiet · July 2013

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Okay so diet coke count. Venti latte with 3 shots....drink extra fluids? or Just don't count as water?

If you really just want to push the counter up, you don't have to rationalize it. Do it. Click! Up a glass!

Yeah, if I'm being honest sometimes at the end of the day I just sit there after logging all my cals and just start clicking and thinking "i feel okay I think I"m hydrated, my lips don't feel chapped my mouth doesn't feel dry, my pee didn't look like egg yolks" click, click, click, Click, Click, CLICK, CLICK!!!! It's so cute when the little water glass overflows. That little pic alone has gone a LONG way in my giving a *kitten* about being hydrated or not. Give that guy a raise.

JesterMFP · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

:noway: You're right, this thread has indeed devolved into nonsense.

(85 lbs btw)

jennifershoo · July 2013

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a) You don't need 8 glasses of water a day,

b) You need to consume enough FLUIDS to keep your body hydrated.

c) If your urine is pale yellow you are hydrated.

d) Any kind of liquid will hydrate your body. Coffee, tea, milk, juice, soda, soups, etc. An apple is 85% water.

e) There is no proof that drinking large amounts of water has any effect on weight loss beyond making you feel full.

This. Pee pale and everythings ok.

If you take a vitamin B supplement, you pee neon yellow! Just sayin' !

MelsAuntie · July 2013

If it has water in it, yes.

So yes, coffee, tea, crystal light mixtures, koolaide, etc counts as water. Just because you mix something with it doesn't magically change it.
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Thank You! I've been trying to figure out why water ceases to be water after being filtered through coffee. ...even though it's still 99.9% H2O.]

Achrya · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

doowop713 · July 2013

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a) You don't need 8 glasses of water a day,

b) You need to consume enough FLUIDS to keep your body hydrated.

c) If your urine is pale yellow you are hydrated.

d) Any kind of liquid will hydrate your body. Coffee, tea, milk, juice, soda, soups, etc. An apple is 85% water.

e) There is no proof that drinking large amounts of water has any effect on weight loss beyond making you feel full.

This. Pee pale and everythings ok.

i hardly ever pee clear and i've survived 45 years with dying even once. the "pee clear" thing is broscience perpetuated by trainers.

I kind of agree. I pee pale if everything I ate and drank doesn't interfere with the color. My multivitamins make my piss glow this high yellow color, so even if I drank a gallon of water a day, I'd still have un-pale pee. But for some folks it can work that way, I suppose.

brower47 · July 2013

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Oh, and would someone please post the Mayo Clinic caffeine study, please??? The myth that will never die...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

As long as you don't over consume (more than 500 - 600mg of caffeine) you can also count your sodas, coffees and teas.

Bolded for emphasis since it is possible with certain high caffeine content coffees in large quantities.

Okay so diet coke count. Venti latte with 3 shots....drink extra fluids? or Just don't count as water?

I don't even track my water on MFP. :happy: But if I did, I'd count my morning Folgers. I would not count it if I was two pots in. If someone can rationally determine what is too much caffeine, they can safely track it as part of their hydration beverages. If they can't, they shouldn't.

whierd · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

Well, at that point the caffeine may have the diuretic affect, so you might be technically correct on this one.

Caffeine isn't a diuretic. Alcohol is, and alcoholic beverages shouldn't be counted as water.

Caffeine in large doses is a diuretic, unless I misunderstood the Mayo Clinic study.

_chiaroscuro · July 2013

Does a large coca cola count as water?
No.

A large farva, however...

whierd · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

Boom.

jennifershoo · July 2013

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Let me ask you this - is milk water? NO. therefore, no you cannot count milk as water.

so... newborn babies who subsist solely on their mother's milk are not getting any water (ever!) and are therefore dehydrated for the first couple of years of their lives???

Good point!

socajam · July 2013

Can I count a glass of milk as one of my 8 glasses of water for the day?

I have never heard of water coming from a cow - this one is new.

brower47 · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

Almost 40 lbs in 18 months. You'll find the two aren't correlations.

Otterluv · July 2013

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Milk counts more toward my protein intake than my water intake. I don't understand why you would even consider it water- it's more a food than "water"

water is water.

I can count towards both, just like my eggs count toward my protein and fat intake for the day.

^^^ QFT

Also, I always wonder when these threads come up, and I believe it was mentioned in the last one:
What do people think happens when they drink water with their meal? Does it somehow go into a separate "water only" compartment so that it won't mix with anything else?

So, what in the world is the difference between eating a lemon sprinkled with sugar while drinking water or squeezing the lemon in the water (lemonade)?

Otterluv · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

Almost 40 lbs in 18 months. You'll find the two aren't correlations.

71 pounds in 12 months.

I'm drinking sugary coffee right now, which, if I tracked my water, I would totally count :devil:

jennifershoo · July 2013

5 pages, LOL.

sheldonz42 · July 2013

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Oh, and would someone please post the Mayo Clinic caffeine study, please??? The myth that will never die...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

As long as you don't over consume (more than 500 - 600mg of caffeine) you can also count your sodas, coffees and teas.

Bolded for emphasis since it is possible with certain high caffeine content coffees in large quantities.

Thank you!

MyChocolateDiet · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

25 lbs so far. (ticker's a liar TOM got to it) Drinking water, juices, gatorade, protein shakes, decaf, decaf teas, and soda's and logging them all as water. haven't died yet. by the way it's SODA, not "pop" lol. It's not an ice cream popsicle, oh but actually that gives me an idea I will log those as water too. Since they are just frozen juice. Suck on my pop.)

rml_16 · July 2013

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

I was never a soda drinker but I used to drink only juice all day and I didn't have any weight to lose back then.

I started drinking only water and now I'm fat.

moosegt35 · July 2013

can I count bud light as water?

Yes. What else would it count as? It's foamy water.

brower47 · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

25 lbs so far. (ticker's a liar TOM got to it) Drinking water, juices, gatorade, protein shakes, decaf, decaf teas, and soda's and logging them all as water. haven't died yet. by the way it's SODA, not "pop" lol. It's not an ice cream popsicle, oh but actually that gives me an idea I will log those as water too. Since they are just frozen juice. Suck on my pop.)

Oh, now it's on. It's POP.

NOW LET'S GET READY TO RUMMMMBBBBLLLLEEEE!

MyChocolateDiet · July 2013

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It does matter. 8 diet cokes do not equal 8 glasses of water. Ever.

Slippery slope...just sayin.

True, since a can of diet coke is 12 oz... 8 cans would be more like 12 glasses of water

I don't believe I specified 8 cans of diet coke...did I? :P

This thread has devolved into nonsense. Juice? Instead of water? Please. And regarding lemons, limes, cucumbers in your water. Acidity is good for your gut and your ph. Lemons have a cleansing effect and are good for your liver. They ENHANCE the water - not detract from it. And if they don't enhance it, they certainly are "neutral" in terms of nutrition.

By all means, drink pop, juice, milk instead of water. And get back to me on how much weight you are losing.

9 pounds since May 7th, thanks for asking.

Almost 40 lbs in 18 months. You'll find the two aren't correlations.

71 pounds in 12 months.

I'm drinking sugary coffee right now, which, if I tracked my water, I would totally count :devil:

Me too coffee(caffeine) with creamer(artificial) , no sugar and some toast (carbs) with fruit jelly (sugar). Yum. And I just logged it as TWO waters because I have giant cups. :devil:

whierd · July 2013

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Oh, and would someone please post the Mayo Clinic caffeine study, please??? The myth that will never die...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

As long as you don't over consume (more than 500 - 600mg of caffeine) you can also count your sodas, coffees and teas.

Bolded for emphasis since it is possible with certain high caffeine content coffees in large quantities.

Thank you!

What on earth are you getting worked up over? :huh:

PlayerHatinDogooder · July 2013

Does it mean your hydrated when you get a burning sensation when you pee?

brower47 · July 2013

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Oh, and would someone please post the Mayo Clinic caffeine study, please??? The myth that will never die...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

As long as you don't over consume (more than 500 - 600mg of caffeine) you can also count your sodas, coffees and teas.

Bolded for emphasis since it is possible with certain high caffeine content coffees in large quantities.

Thank you!

What on earth are you getting worked up over? :huh:

What on earth are you getting worked up over?

Does milk count as water?

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