Zimmerman vs. Martin

krystonite · July 2013

Firstly, it's The State of Florida vs. Zimmerman.

Second, he was legally within his rights to carry his weapon. He had all permits and a legal purchase.

Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.

Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.

Fifth, Second Degree Murder is over-charging Zimmerman. The State will never get that, and if they do, then there's something rotten in Denmark.

Sixth, the Judge should be disbarred for here conduct and biased.

Seventh, who really cares at this point. There's other things to get pissed about.

Yeah, it's really self-defense when you're the one who pursued an unarmed person eating skittles. Totally. If a stranger pursued me as I was walking along minding my own business, I'd have beat the **** out of him too. Speaking of, you're playing pretty fast and loose with the term "beating the **** out of..." I've had a paper-cut produce a lot of blood, that doesn't speak to the actual injury. Lastly, if anyone was standing their ground, it was Martin.

jenifr818 · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

Yea, opinions here aren't looked upon well. Just leave if you don't like it. Are the the MFP neighborhhod watch or something?

I hope the mods let this keep going. Doubtful, but maybe one of them will be like "you know, this is fascinating, let's let them keep going". Maybe we'll get to see a part 2?

wswilliams67 · July 2013

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if you have been followed and that person is going back to their car...they could being going for a gun in their glove compartment...maybe treyvon didnt want to give him that chance.

GZ should have never got out of his car. if he wants to play wanna be cop..he should have called it in and just sat there.

This shows you really know nothing about this case...

lol like you know any more.

Hyuck... I live in Orlando. The case is televised at all times while court is in session on all local channels here. Trust me, we watch the EVIDENCE being presented. I guarantee I know more about this case than you. But you beat that 'justice' drum brah...

simplyshannal · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

Yea, opinions here aren't looked upon well. Just leave if you don't like it. Are the the MFP neighborhhod watch or something?

Nope, but evidently you are all a bunch of children who really don't know when enough is enough! This is turning into name calling and ridiculous accusations about people none of you even know! Grow up!!

moosegt35 · July 2013

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Because you haven't been watching the trial where facts are coming out and heard the "star witness" for the prosecution. Uninformed. Surprise.

what day was this? i do have a life and havent followed every second of the trial cheering on GZ like you have.

I haven't cheered anyone on. I don't remember what day it was but it was the girl Trayvon was talking to on the phone. She was caught in many lies and was frustrated the entire time because she was being asked questions.

Achrya · July 2013

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I think Zimmerman was overcharged for sure.
Do I think he committed a crime? Yes. Do I think it's murder? Nope.
I think that it was sh*tty for NBC News to turn this into a race thing before that day even ended, and because they manipulated Zimmerman's 911 call, they have lost a huge amount of credibility.
I think that Zimmerman has been characterized as a racist, which I do not believe. Is he a overzealous *kitten* that took the law into his own hands, abso-f'ing-lutely.
I believe that Al Sharpton is feeding the machine by talking mainly about race.
I believe that Jesse Jackson is feeding the machine by talking mainly about race.
I truly believe that if Zimmerman is found not guilty, that there will be riots.

I cannot wait until the day that Jesse and Al are too old to stand on their soapboxes and take advantage of families that are grieving. Wherever there's a camera, a little injustice (warranted or not), and a black mother crying, you will def see one of them standing next to her. Where are they when it comes to black on black crime? WHY DOES THAT NOT MATTER TO THEM???

Where are the rally's, walks, protests...etc, in Chicago?! There were 67 people shot, and 11 of them dead over this July 4th holiday weekend. 67 shot, 11 dead.

As of 7/8/13, there have been 1043 people shot in Chicago. That number would be absolutely ridiculous if it was state wide...but it's just in one city!!

Where are the 'leaders' of the black community'? They'd rather get in front of the camera for 1 dead kid that was shot by a Hispanic guy (yep...he's not white, but the media likes to portray him to be. It makes a better story), than go a bit north to see what they can do to stop the bull$hit that's happening in Chicago. The camera's are in Sanford, FL, not in Chicago, IL.

It is very, very sad what has happened to Trayvon Martin. I have a son, and cannot imagine the hurt the family is going through. But I can't see how anyone that is not sitting in this courtroom, day after day, can say that they hope the verdict goes one way or the other. What is that based on. You only know what you've heard on TV and what has been told to you by the media. The only people that can judge this correctly based on ALL THE FACTS, is the jury.

(me thinks I've probably pissed some people off....so I offer to them, a flower :flowerforyou: )

Wait. Hispanic people can't be white? ...are you sure about that?

Cause I swear the little race boxes say "White, non hispanic" and "Black, non hispanic" which seems to imply you could be, you know, both. Probably because Hispanic *isn't* a race.

I'm sorry, I'm not talking about filling out a form. I'm talking about the media and how they like to use words to fit into their story. Of course Hispanics can be white. But if you listen to the talking heads, they go out of their way to not call him Hispanic (or brown).

Now, Al Sharpton has a commercial running on MSNBC that talks about equal justice for all. It all stems from the gay marriage debate, but his wording goes something like 'whether you're black, white, brown, straight or gay'. So since he's saying brown in his commercial (we all know that means Hispanic, don't we?), why can't he call Zimmerman brown when he's talking about him and the trial. Let's not call him White Al...let's call him Brown!

Brown =/= hispanic tho? Brown commonly refers to those from Mexico, P.R., Cuba, and places of that nature. It is a direct comment on the color of their skin, a light than that of a 'black' person but darker than that of 'white' people. Because, of course, brown people are of mixed racial descent. Brown is not a race.

Calling GZ brown would be inaccurate. Calling him Hispanic however would be accurate and perhaps they should. However that didn't seem to be your point.

Also Al Sharpton is a moron. I would hardly look to him for consistency or sense of any kind.

Laces_0ut · July 2013

Hyuck... I live in Orlando. The case is televised at all times while court is in session on all local channels here. Trust me, we watch the EVIDENCE being presented. I guarantee I know more about this case than you. But you beat that 'justice' drum brah...

heh u probably have been following it more by choice or not.

wswilliams67 · July 2013

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Firstly, it's The State of Florida vs. Zimmerman.

Second, he was legally within his rights to carry his weapon. He had all permits and a legal purchase.

Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.

Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.

Fifth, Second Degree Murder is over-charging Zimmerman. The State will never get that, and if they do, then there's something rotten in Denmark.

Sixth, the Judge should be disbarred for here conduct and biased.

Seventh, who really cares at this point. There's other things to get pissed about.

Yeah, it's really self-defense when you're the one who pursued an unarmed person eating skittles. Totally. If a stranger pursued me as I was walking along minding my own business, I'd have beat the **** out of him too. Speaking of, you're playing pretty fast and loose with the term "beating the **** out of..." I've had a paper-cut produce a lot of blood, that doesn't speak to the actual injury. Lastly, if anyone was standing their ground, it was Martin.

*sigh* yet another 'emotional' response... SMH.

mzteebell · July 2013

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Both of these miscreants were out looking for trouble. Now one is dead and the other is on trial. I could care less what the outcome is. My only concern is that I am travelling to Orlando on Sunday, for two weeks, and I hope it doesn't turn into a riot if he is found innocent.

I'm not sure if anywhere in the US will be a good place to be if he walks. I'm hoping I'm wrong and people have some sense, though.

I hope you're wrong too but I don't have a good feeling about this.

BigDaddyRonnie · July 2013

Why do you hope he is found guilty?

Is it because the news shows Martin as a 10 year old kid in all his pics? Martin was a thug, drug dealer, "gangster", etc..

Do I think Zimmerman is an idiot want to be cop? Yes. But he will never get changed with murder 2.

All of Zimmerman's story is lining up as well. He's going to walk and there will be a huge race war over nothing.

God I hate this world.

Perfect response. Bottom line...a person died by the hand of another.

RECowgill · July 2013

Zimmerman is a murderer who killed an unarmed boy. His story completely falls apart when you look at it, or give it any scrutiny. I think you need to be pretty ideological to buy his version of events. I hope he goes away for a long time, people like him are dangerous to society.

moosegt35 · July 2013

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lady, maybe you feel this way because you feel like you cant defend yourself in a fight....but for guys...losing a fight doesnt mean you kill someone.

It wasn't a bro fight over some girl. TM was slamming GZ's head against a sidewalk.

keep justifying the murder of a young man. im just glad this case will lead to tighter gun laws. get them out of the hands of wanna be cops like GZ.

It won't lead to tighter gun laws. And look at the cities that have tighter gun laws, they are the murder capitals of the US. But it's ok, it's criminals killing people instead of someone defending themself against a criminal.

Laces_0ut · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

Yea, opinions here aren't looked upon well. Just leave if you don't like it. Are the the MFP neighborhhod watch or something?

Nope, but evidently you are all a bunch of children who really don't know when enough is enough! This is turning into name calling and ridiculous accusations about people none of you even know! Grow up!!

why do you care? just DONT CLICK THE THREAD.

wswilliams67 · July 2013

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Hyuck... I live in Orlando. The case is televised at all times while court is in session on all local channels here. Trust me, we watch the EVIDENCE being presented. I guarantee I know more about this case than you. But you beat that 'justice' drum brah...

heh u probably have been following it more by choice or not.

This makes no sense... why would I NOT follow it? It's called forming an opinion based on EVIDENCE... not emotion. You would make a sh*tty juror.

moosegt35 · July 2013

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I haven't seen one racist post in this entire thread. The only reason there is a trial is because of racism though. I hope for your son's sake that he is smarter than Martin and would react like a human being and not an animal to attack someone for asking him why he was walking through a neighborhood in 90* weather with a hoodie at 2am.

Treyvon is the animal? hes not the one that instigated this entire thing. if GZ had just stayed in his car this never would have happened. if anyone is an animal its GZ.

Getting out of your car ins't a crime. Following someone walking at night as a neighborhood watch isn't a crime. Stopping someone and asking them questions isn't a crime. ATTACKING some is a crime. Selling drugs is a crime. Stealing jewelry is a crime. Do we need to continue?

Martin was not committing those crimes at the time of the incident. Stalking IS a crime, and being a volunteer neighborhood watch does not put one above the law. All neighborhood watches are instructed by police to report suspicious activity NOT engage or attempt to apprehend!!

when did he attempt to apprehend? His first encounter with Martin was being attacked.

krystonite · July 2013

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Firstly, it's The State of Florida vs. Zimmerman.

Second, he was legally within his rights to carry his weapon. He had all permits and a legal purchase.

Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.

Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.

Fifth, Second Degree Murder is over-charging Zimmerman. The State will never get that, and if they do, then there's something rotten in Denmark.

Sixth, the Judge should be disbarred for here conduct and biased.

Seventh, who really cares at this point. There's other things to get pissed about.

Yeah, it's really self-defense when you're the one who pursued an unarmed person eating skittles. Totally. If a stranger pursued me as I was walking along minding my own business, I'd have beat the **** out of him too. Speaking of, you're playing pretty fast and loose with the term "beating the **** out of..." I've had a paper-cut produce a lot of blood, that doesn't speak to the actual injury. Lastly, if anyone was standing their ground, it was Martin.

*sigh* yet another 'emotional' response... SMH.

I get that way when I'm surrounded by morons.

Anna_Joys_Journey · July 2013

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One is dead and the other is a liar.

Another ignorant user. Classy.

Why would I care what you think? Someone like you doesn't even deserve to be alive.

"That's real retarded Sir... real retarded."

(see what I did there?)

LibertyBelle89 · July 2013

ready for this case to be over............not gonna give my opinion on it, but curious to see what everyone else thinks

mariposa224 · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

Yea, opinions here aren't looked upon well. Just leave if you don't like it. Are the the MFP neighborhhod watch or something?

Nope, but evidently you are all a bunch of children who really don't know when enough is enough! This is turning into name calling and ridiculous accusations about people none of you even know! Grow up!!

Oh... Kinda like calling us "children?" That's tantamount to name-calling as well, honey. Pot, meet kettle.

wswilliams67 · July 2013

Zimmerman is a murderer who killed an unarmed boy. His story completely falls apart when you look at it, or give it any scrutiny. I think you need to be pretty ideological to buy his version of events. I hope he goes away for a long time, people like him are dangerous to society.

So are people who don't examine evidence without emotion.

goalss4nika · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

Yea, opinions here aren't looked upon well. Just leave if you don't like it. Are the the MFP neighborhhod watch or something?

I apologize the thread has gone in the direction it has. I clearly wanted to be peaceful about it, but different views bring on things like this. I personally enjoy reading different views about things.It does not upset me, nor should it upset anyone else. I believe that is what makes the world so diverse. So, again I apologize to anyone that I offended by posting this. Please accept :flowerforyou: for you

Have a great day!

moosegt35 · July 2013

You can't chase someone down, then shoot when attacked and call it self-defense. He had no business following the kid. He was specifically told not to. He was trying to be a hero and it back-fired. He's guilty.

Actually, yes you can. What you can't do is attack someone for following you, especially neighborhhod watch, security, etc.

Laces_0ut · July 2013

It won't lead to tighter gun laws. And look at the cities that have tighter gun laws, they are the murder capitals of the US. But it's ok, it's criminals killing people instead of someone defending themself against a criminal.

ok so Obama wont use this to tighten gun laws then...im glad you agree.

(this surprises me)

jenifr818 · July 2013

ready for this case to be over............not gonna give my opinion on it, but curious to see what everyone else thinks

You got 14 pages of opinions right here :laugh: have fun, grab some popcorn while you're at it

wswilliams67 · July 2013

I get that way when I'm surrounded by morons.

...and now the mature name-calling.

mzteebell · July 2013

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I, along with many other people, have reported this post to the admins to be removed or locked! It is getting way out of hand and should never have been posted!

We can agree to disagree without you having to call the MFP police?

MissTattoo · July 2013

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You can't chase someone down, then shoot when attacked and call it self-defense. He had no business following the kid. He was specifically told not to. He was trying to be a hero and it back-fired. He's guilty.

Actually, yes you can. What you can't do is attack someone for following you, especially neighborhhod watch, security, etc.

GZ never announced who he was. So yes, I would feel threatened by someone who was chasing me.

akklm05 · July 2013

From my understanding, a young man was walking through a gated community, talking on the phone, while he made his way back to his place after buying snacks at a convenience store.

And some dude, under the guise of being part of a neighborhood watch, accosted him. AFTER the police told him not to.

Now, if some son of a b approached me, and I told him to back off, and he didn't and we got into a scuffle where I ended up getting shot?

Who is guilty? What, if someone approaches me in a confrontational way, I'm not supposed to defend myself?

I don't care if Trayvon is percieved as a child or a thug. He was minding his own business and Zimmerman instigated. Had Zimmerman done what the police TOLD him to do, Trayvon would have kept on walking and none of this would have happened.

This is my take on it. And it doesn't matter to me that Trayvon got in trouble at school or smoked pot. He is 17. Lots of kids behave this way and grow up to be 100% awesome contributing members of society.

Trayvon didn't get the chance to do that because a grown assed man approached him and started a fight. Unreal.

jennfrugalrox · July 2013

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I'm just fascinated by how many people are ignoring the fact that it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman while he was getting BACK in his car and the growing amount of evidence and testimonies from the police and reports that support Zimmerman's story. :noway:
Facts are facts.

^^^this.

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moosegt35 · July 2013

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Firstly, it's The State of Florida vs. Zimmerman.

Second, he was legally within his rights to carry his weapon. He had all permits and a legal purchase.

Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.

Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.

Fifth, Second Degree Murder is over-charging Zimmerman. The State will never get that, and if they do, then there's something rotten in Denmark.

Sixth, the Judge should be disbarred for here conduct and biased.

Seventh, who really cares at this point. There's other things to get pissed about.

Yeah, it's really self-defense when you're the one who pursued an unarmed person eating skittles. Totally. If a stranger pursued me as I was walking along minding my own business, I'd have beat the **** out of him too. Speaking of, you're playing pretty fast and loose with the term "beating the **** out of..." I've had a paper-cut produce a lot of blood, that doesn't speak to the actual injury. Lastly, if anyone was standing their ground, it was Martin.

I hope you don't really beat someone that you think is following you. If you do you may end up shot as well. This is very stupid logic.

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