How disgusting is this...

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  • rowanwood
    rowanwood Posts: 509 Member
    I'll tell you what I think is disgusting about it:

    -She's blaming her weight on her past
    -She's saying that other people's expectations have led her not to want to lose weight (doctors who worry about her health, a lady on the street while she's out walking)
    -She's visibly insecure, but saying she has a right to be that way
    -She's playing with her life in an effort to "make a point," to who?
    -She's being irresponsible
    -She is not addressing her mental health issues and seeing that they may be resolved by making a large change in her life: therapy, weight loss, feeling good about herself.
    -She isn't TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER LIFE, SHE'S BLAMING EVERYTHING ON OTHER PEOPLE: Her past, her doctors, the fact that she has to overeat. There's a point in life when you have to realize that you're the one who has to make the change and stop justifying everything!

    That's what I find disgusting...

    truth!

    But that's NOT disgusting. That's very sad. It's tragic. It's likely a need for further mental and emotional work, but its not an excuse to use such a loaded word to describe a human being, now matter how you dress it up.
  • JanetP124
    JanetP124 Posts: 50 Member
    this article is the best thing i've read all day. thanks!

    (and to answer your question: not disgusting at all.)
    agreed! I don't understand how you can read something like that and only come away with "it's disgusting."

    Did you actually read the article? She is mentally ill, and the obesity is a side effect of what she is going through. it is sad and disturbing. It is also disturbing how many people agree with what she is saying. There is help available, when they are ready to accept it. It's not about the weight as much as the mentality.

    What I think is disgusting that she is propagating this unhealthy outlook on life and health.

    It's not that I disagree with you - I think she is ill, both mentally and physically. Her writing screams with it ... she rants about her medical staff only seeing her as a "problem" while ignoring her accomplishments and knowledge yet she also makes sure to interject her physical descriptions of them (various forms of skinny) into nearly every paragraph.

    I fully understand why her first therapist insisted that she address her weight issues. She is turning to the cheapest and most widely available anti-depressant available as a means to cope with her trauma. It isn't a solution or healthy. She's using food, others use alcohol themselves, or narcotics, or bulimia or cutting or any number of destructive behaviors. A good health professional will attempt to address all of them.

    But all that said do I find her disgusting? No. I wish her well and I hope she finds peace.
  • AEMW8
    AEMW8 Posts: 94 Member
    Whatever happened to 'judge not lest ye be judged'?
  • k_winder
    k_winder Posts: 65 Member
    The book is selling disinformation to dieters that don't want to take responsibility for their bad decisions. They don't have an innate genetic disposition to be hungrier than others. Their continued overeating has changed their urge to eat (google epigenetics if you want to learn more). So technically they do have more urges to eat, but that's only because they have consistently overate throughout their life. Habits, good and bad are formed and can be undone. She just doesnt want to.

    I just looked through the author's other articles and saw one called "My best relationship is with my dog". I'm not surprised.

    Are you serious? The only reason someone overeats is because they overate in the past?

    You seriously need to get your head out of your butt and take a look around. There are a lot of reasons people overeat, and for some it has no connection to creating a habit of overeating. There are serious hormonal imbalances that turn off the signaling that tells someone they are full and others which can make a person feel very hungry all the time. Could this author have one of these imbalances? It's possible. I'm not saying it's likely....but it's possible. I really don't think ANY of us here are in a position where we should be judging her or her decisions as 'disgusting' when we don't have much of any information to go off of.

    And kudos to the author of this essay for at least being comfortable in her own skin and accepting herself as she is. I think that's far healthier than a lot of the people I've seen on these boards who complain about how fat and ugly they are and how no one will love them while they're fat and ugly. Yes, we may all have issues with what we weigh, etc. but tearing ourselves down with harsh language is very damaging and I wish I saw more people like this author who can at least accept where they are in life now.

    That's not to say I don't think this person should make changes - she should. But she needs to do it on her own terms in her own time and she needs to figure out WHY it's best for her without being called disgusting by people who don't even know her and think it's ok to pass rude judgement on anyone they disagree with.
  • totalsham
    totalsham Posts: 217 Member
    The book is selling disinformation to dieters that don't want to take responsibility for their bad decisions. They don't have an innate genetic disposition to be hungrier than others. Their continued overeating has changed their urge to eat (google epigenetics if you want to learn more). So technically they do have more urges to eat, but that's only because they have consistently overate throughout their life. Habits, good and bad are formed and can be undone. She just doesnt want to.

    I just looked through the author's other articles and saw one called "My best relationship is with my dog". I'm not surprised.

    Are you serious? The only reason someone overeats is because they overate in the past?

    You seriously need to get your head out of your butt and take a look around. There are a lot of reasons people overeat, and for some it has no connection to creating a habit of overeating. There are serious hormonal imbalances that turn off the signaling that tells someone they are full and others which can make a person feel very hungry all the time. Could this author have one of these imbalances? It's possible. I'm not saying it's likely....but it's possible. I really don't think ANY of us here are in a position where we should be judging her or her decisions as 'disgusting' when we don't have much of any information to go off of.


    someone didnt google epigenetics
  • _AllieCat_
    _AllieCat_ Posts: 515 Member
    I think that she really means is that her weight doesn't define her as a person but everyone chooses to see her as a person who needs to lose weight period.

    This was the point of the article. I don't see why everyone has their panties in a bunch.
  • MissTattoo
    MissTattoo Posts: 1,203 Member
    I think it's sad. It's not like she's choosing to eat Taco Bell several times a day to gain weight. She sounds like she is just broken because of the process. She's right. All you hear are stories about how "I went from a size 24 to a size 2!" with before and after photos, but that's it. NO one talks about the struggle to get to 24 to 22 to 20 to 18 back to 22.

    Obviously she knows she has issues. She's in therapy. She hit the nail on the head. She wants doctors who are concerned about her blood work. I'm obese and have perfect labs. My weight isn't causing any problems...yet. And I' m not naive enough to believe that I can be like this forever. Maybe she will get it one day. We all have our IT moments. MAybe she hasn't had that yet. Maybe she's still messed up from her childhood.

    Disgusting? no. I wouldn't say she is disgusting. I guess it's easy for someone who has never been in her situation to say that.

    She needs to be okay with herself first before she begins to change. She needs to be able to forgive her mother and father. She needs to be able to just come to terms. She doesn't need a quick solution or magic pill. She just needs her IT moment.
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
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    In all seriousness, I think she's misguided, naive, ignorant even... but disgusting? No. Disgusting would be forcing her unhealthy ideals on other people.
  • magoshi
    magoshi Posts: 1
    Way to judge her, the same way she talks about other people judging her. So lame. Big deal. Let her choose her own destiny. It's not our life to judge or be 'disgusted' by. What is disgusting is how judgemental someone can be on a weightloss/fitness website -- and sad.
  • britzzie
    britzzie Posts: 338 Member
    This girl made peace with her body. She decided that she loves it, and it is what it is no matter what anyone else thinks.

    We celebrate talk like this all the time. Accepting a bit of stubborn flab, extra skin, stretch marks, weirdly shaped belly buttons, etc.

    So there must be some kind of limitation on it. Like, if you are 'too fat', it's 'disgusting' for you to love your body. Or if you aren't 'doing something about it", you better not love your body. Or if you do...you better not tell anyone...

    Now I'm wondering if I'm disgusting for loving mine while I took a break from cutting at 209lbs? Am I under the limit?
  • Valarama
    Valarama Posts: 22
    gosh you're worse than tumblr.
    why do you care, exactly?
    she's decided to be comfortable with who she is (for now, anyways) and you decided to lose weight. so?
    so what?
    none of it really matters, you know.
  • ohnstadk
    ohnstadk Posts: 143 Member
    I don't find it disgusting, though I do feel a massive amount of pity for the author

    Edit: though I will say she is an exceptional writer
  • tlsegar
    tlsegar Posts: 185 Member
    As for the OP, I have to say and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but I would not respond positively to you were you my healthcare provider. I have had physicians and nurses in the past who I knew were disgusted by me. They didn't have to outright say it but it was evident in the manner in which they provided care. All it did was make me more resentful and determined to rebel. Some people may respond positively to that sort of treatment but I do not. I don't want anyone making excuses for me or to even letme make excuses for myself . But I can appreciate and receive constructive feedback delivered without judgement. That is why I get along much better with my nurse than my nutritionist. And just because I've lost almost 100 lbs I don't feel that gives me license to to look down on other people who are at a different point in their journey or have yet to start. Just something to consider as you will most likely have patients who cover a wide spectrum in the level of care they need and respond to.
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    yes... cause posting on a forum = how one gives quality of pt care.

    Yes because you referred to her as disgusting. If you think that's never going to translate into how you approach your patients then you are mistaken. Your judgements will show and your patients will see it. Trust me, I've been there. I'm not trying to convince you to change or even shame you for it. We feel how we feel. But not everyone will respond to the care that you provide. That's my point.
  • gigglybeth
    gigglybeth Posts: 365 Member
    This was me last year. I had been fat my whole life. I'd let my weight make me feel like less of a person. I realized it's not worth it.

    I don't care about being skinny! I don't want to have surgery, and I don't want to starve myself. I don't need the cute clothes, or the attention. I decided that if I weighed 318 lbs for the rest of my life I would be happy. There's so much more to life than weight.

    When I finally accepted my weight and let go of the guilt associated with I was able to really see myself and really figure out what I do care about. I care about playing tag with my kids, and getting up in the morning without pain. I want energy and I want to be me without the help of caffeine, or cheese to bury the pain inside. Now that I've started running I want to be faster and feel the sun on my face as I get over that next hill. I want my boys to see me accomplish something next week when I do my 5k.

    It's not up to anyone else to tell this girl she needs to lose weight. Once she is happy with herself she will be able to do anything she wants to. Some people just need to take a different route to get there.

    :flowerforyou: Congrats on your loss!
  • Hannah_Banana
    Hannah_Banana Posts: 1,242 Member
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    In all seriousness, I think she's misguided, naive, ignorant even... but disgusting? No. Disgusting would be forcing her unhealthy ideals on other people.


    Mmm, yes pretty much this. The author chooses to be fat. The OP chooses to judge her. Neither of those things are wrong. The only thing that would be wrong is if the OP forced her to lose weight or she forced him to get fat again.

    You can have all the opinions you want, as long as you don't force them on others.
  • totalsham
    totalsham Posts: 217 Member
    epigenetics....

    if you cant watch more then 5 seconds.... 4:30 on

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1bZEUgqVI
  • TheSlorax
    TheSlorax Posts: 2,401 Member
    I don't know if this is disgusting at all. My heart breaks for this girl (or woman, now) because she clearly has a lot of emotional issues and yes, maybe even some mental health challenges. It's clear to me that her weight is a defense mechanism, and she even alludes to it as being a sort of armor for her. That is not disgusting, but sad.

    My question is, why is anorexia and bulimia treated with much more care than a disorder such as the author of the article? It's clear to many posters that in this situation, there is more than meets the eye. Yet, there is little sensitivity shown towards her and her plight. Most are under the impression that this is something she "chooses" to do. For me, my eating was a compulsion. No matter what anyone told me, I could not control it. "Everything in moderation," my doctors used to say. I used to feel my blood boiling at that comment, because even at 12 years old I knew that they would not say that to an alcoholic or a drug addict, and truly, wasn't my addiction destructive too? I felt frustrated because the only "resources" they gave me were to treat my weight, not my brain or my emotions. I feel that frustration in the author.

    Eating disorders do not always lead to low body fat percentages and gaunt appearances. Sometimes they cause weight gain instead. But why is that worse and somehow despicable vs. someone who starves themselves? Being overweight can cause health problems, but so can being far too thin as you see in anorexics. I just don't understand this double standard. And yes, that, to me, is disgusting. Somehow society has accepted anorexia and bulimia as disorders that need to be treated with care. Yet being fat because of binging disorders and emotional eating just brings shame and judgement. It's not disgusting, it's sad.
  • ThinLizzie0802
    ThinLizzie0802 Posts: 863 Member
    I completely agree with her being sick of people only seeing her as a fat person and that her only accomplishment could be losing weight. I think that is a huge part of this article- that while she has come to terms with her life and achievements-other people, even her advisor, can't focus on her intelligence and other areas. She isn't crying about not having a bf, or not fitting into clothes, she's saying that she is coming to terms with her past and her body they way she wants to and is tired of other people forcing their ideas on her and not recognizing the other great things she has done. Not disgusting at all. Clearly she goes to the doctor. Clearly she goes to the therapist. She thinks about and understands her weight and her health, but she is choosing to stop focusing on the being fat aspect right now. Will she pay for this later? Yes? Should we care what she does? No. It is a great piece to see that not everyone is on a battle to become fit. There are 7 billion people in the world, and those who aren't focused on their health aren't the worst kind.
  • dmpizza
    dmpizza Posts: 3,321 Member
    So well written I am suspicious if it is real.
    (I am NOT saying fat people can't write)
  • TLCorsini
    TLCorsini Posts: 78
    Being healthy and getting fit is a lifesytle not everyone wants. Some people PREFER to be that way. It's not our job to judge others. If she's happy the way she is, let her be. My husband is overweight. Could he stand to lose some weight? Yes. Is he healthy the way he is now? Probably not. But he is happy with how he is, and I love him regardless. We should accept people for how they are, not what we think they should be.
  • Mischievous_Rascal
    Mischievous_Rascal Posts: 1,791 Member
    I was exactly there in almost the same situation and I felt and reacted exactly that way. Emphasis on "reacted" instead of "acted" - one's emotional and one's intellectual. She's really young (and still obviously really emotional about her life). But weren't we all convinced that our reasons, rationalizations and ideas were the only possible good ones when we were in our teens/early 20's, whether we had the best or worst upbringing? I just hope she will grow and change for the healthier, like I and a lot of people on here have, but disgusting is not the right word to use for someone who has these issues and makes these choices. Sad, yes, and definately in need of help, but that will only come once she's ready to change. Kinda like you had to be ready to change to lose your weight, right OP?
  • qtgonewild
    qtgonewild Posts: 1,930 Member
    far from disgusting. let her be. its her life. live and let live.
  • KatLifter
    KatLifter Posts: 1,314 Member
    This girl made peace with her body. She decided that she loves it, and it is what it is no matter what anyone else thinks.

    We celebrate talk like this all the time. Accepting a bit of stubborn flab, extra skin, stretch marks, weirdly shaped belly buttons, etc.

    So there must be some kind of limitation on it. Like, if you are 'too fat', it's 'disgusting' for you to love your body. Or if you aren't 'doing something about it", you better not love your body. Or if you do...you better not tell anyone...

    Now I'm wondering if I'm disgusting for loving mine while I took a break from cutting at 209lbs? Am I under the limit?

    It's the mental illness piece, not the number on the scale piece that is being reacted to.
    She has a binge eating disorder, and seems to be using societal norms to justify it by refusing to conform.

    BTW:You look great and healthy, and this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you or your health/fitness goals.
  • gigi_RN2013
    gigi_RN2013 Posts: 141 Member
    i don't think she's disgusting but i do worry about her health ... i mean, if your obese, your health can truly suffer ...
  • k_winder
    k_winder Posts: 65 Member
    The book is selling disinformation to dieters that don't want to take responsibility for their bad decisions. They don't have an innate genetic disposition to be hungrier than others. Their continued overeating has changed their urge to eat (google epigenetics if you want to learn more). So technically they do have more urges to eat, but that's only because they have consistently overate throughout their life. Habits, good and bad are formed and can be undone. She just doesnt want to.

    I just looked through the author's other articles and saw one called "My best relationship is with my dog". I'm not surprised.

    Are you serious? The only reason someone overeats is because they overate in the past?

    You seriously need to get your head out of your butt and take a look around. There are a lot of reasons people overeat, and for some it has no connection to creating a habit of overeating. There are serious hormonal imbalances that turn off the signaling that tells someone they are full and others which can make a person feel very hungry all the time. Could this author have one of these imbalances? It's possible. I'm not saying it's likely....but it's possible. I really don't think ANY of us here are in a position where we should be judging her or her decisions as 'disgusting' when we don't have much of any information to go off of.


    someone didnt google epigenetics

    I know what epigenetics is. I was not in any way referring to anything having to do with genetics or a change in genetics. I was referring to a hormonal imbalance that can cause one to feel hungry all the time because the hormone that signals 'I'm full' is not present or is deficient to a degree. Yes, maybe, down the line, her choices will or won't cause genetic changes in herself which will further exacerbate the issue, or even be passed to any future children. But for the immediate here and now I'm referring only to an immediate hormonal imbalance.
  • LaurenAOK
    LaurenAOK Posts: 2,475 Member
    I don't think this is disgusting at all. It's her choice and she's confident in it. She's not stupid, she knows the health risks. She has the right to be fat just like someone who wants to smoke has the right to smoke.

    I thought the essay was very well-written and empowering. Good for her.
  • thekyleo
    thekyleo Posts: 632 Member
    damn, i'm gone for a half and hour and i miss all the fireworks
  • britzzie
    britzzie Posts: 338 Member
    This girl made peace with her body. She decided that she loves it, and it is what it is no matter what anyone else thinks.

    We celebrate talk like this all the time. Accepting a bit of stubborn flab, extra skin, stretch marks, weirdly shaped belly buttons, etc.

    So there must be some kind of limitation on it. Like, if you are 'too fat', it's 'disgusting' for you to love your body. Or if you aren't 'doing something about it", you better not love your body. Or if you do...you better not tell anyone...

    Now I'm wondering if I'm disgusting for loving mine while I took a break from cutting at 209lbs? Am I under the limit?

    It's the mental illness piece, not the number on the scale piece that is being reacted to.
    She has a binge eating disorder, and seems to be using societal norms to justify it by refusing to conform.

    BTW:You look great and healthy, and this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you or your health/fitness goals.

    Thanks! That's very sweet! I wasn't ACTUALLY wondering.... I was more making a point. Like, of course you wouldn't judge me, why would you judge her? Because there's some ambiguous cutoff? It's ridiculous.

    But yes, I agree with you on the BED, which is causing her to be overweight. Certainly, she resists treatment. But it's sad. It's not disgusting. Lots of people with addictions resist treatment. Hell, most of them do at first and continually. But is it 'disgusting' and shameful, like OP continues to claim. No. It's not. I think it's offensive too because if you think off all of the different types of addicts that resist treatment, 'disgusting' doesn't seem to come to mind. But it's ok to call a fat girl with BED 'disgusting.' I don't get it. And it offends me.
  • elleloch
    elleloch Posts: 739 Member
    I don't know if this is disgusting at all. My heart breaks for this girl (or woman, now) because she clearly has a lot of emotional issues and yes, maybe even some mental health challenges. It's clear to me that her weight is a defense mechanism, and she even alludes to it as being a sort of armor for her. That is not disgusting, but sad.

    My question is, why is anorexia and bulimia treated with much more care than a disorder such as the author of the article? It's clear to many posters that in this situation, there is more than meets the eye. Yet, there is little sensitivity shown towards her and her plight. Most are under the impression that this is something she "chooses" to do. For me, my eating was a compulsion. No matter what anyone told me, I could not control it. "Everything in moderation," my doctors used to say. I used to feel my blood boiling at that comment, because even at 12 years old I knew that they would not say that to an alcoholic or a drug addict, and truly, wasn't my addiction destructive too? I felt frustrated because the only "resources" they gave me were to treat my weight, not my brain or my emotions. I feel that frustration in the author.

    Eating disorders do not always lead to low body fat percentages and gaunt appearances. Sometimes they cause weight gain instead. But why is that worse and somehow despicable vs. someone who starves themselves? Being overweight can cause health problems, but so can being far too thin as you see in anorexics. I just don't understand this double standard. And yes, that, to me, is disgusting. Somehow society has accepted anorexia and bulimia as disorders that need to be treated with care. Yet being fat because of binging disorders and emotional eating just brings shame and judgement. It's not disgusting, it's sad.

    Preach
  • Gizziemoto
    Gizziemoto Posts: 430 Member
    Unless you have experienced abuse all through your childhood and understand that the weight is her armor and makes her feel safe and secure do not judge her.

    I understand her because I was and am her. If you can think of a type of abuse, I survived it. I am fighting every day to lose weight and the fear that comes with it. I am in my 40's and at one time was a size 4/6 (starved to get there due to peer pressure) and started having night terrors so I gained weight the weight back. I would have rather been looked at for being fat than an object of desire. It took me years to come to this realization and now I am trying to do something about it.

    I hope for her sake, one day she does find the courage and strength to realize that she is worthy of love and her health is important.