You guys really like to over complicate things.
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People don't gain weight after quitting smoking, BECAUSE they quit smoking. They do it because when they get anxious, instead of grabbing a cigarette they get cravings. A lot of people also smoke a cigarette when they start to get hungry and the nicotine apparently curbs their appetite. When they no longer have this, they get hungrier, therefore eat more. It's not mass delusion and you're the messiah who knows best, it DOES happen to a large percentage of people. Is it a rule? NO. But it does happen.
People don't just "burn more than you eat" and lose weight. Some people DO have thyroid issues, hormonal imbalances, eating disorders and many other issues involved. That's why there are nutritionists, endocrinologists, doctors and a whole industry / medical community behind it.
Because of people like you that say "it's as easy as pie" just do 1 +1 and you'll get 2, people get discouraged, depressed and many worse things.
So get a clue, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. If I ate 2,000 calories and burned 1,500 calories. And you did exactly the same, we would NOT get the same results. (not even gonna get into the whole BMR TDEE and all that "complicated" stuff that you've just dismissed.)
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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I love this. So true.
u jelly?
Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I love this. So true.
u jelly?
Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.
ya.. u jelly
You're so funny. Keep on thinking that if it makes you feel better
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There are people for whom the OP’s sentiment is true...For them, weight loss is a simple matter of making good choices.
But there are also plenty of people for whom that is not true. Some people use food to cope with emotional challenges have to learn whole new ways to cope, which is MUCH harder than simply making different choices.
Some of us have hormonal challenges, and have to follow a drastically different plan than MFP-recommended calorie deficit every day.
Some folks face plenty of legitimate budgetary and scheduling challenges that require more thought and planning than "put down the twinkie".
The community here on the site can really help people stick with their goals and overcome challenges.
You are right that there are some people over-complicate as a way to self-sabotage or to excuse a lack of progress. But there are also plenty of people who are working hard to overcome legitimate complications.
I really agree with the "arrogance of youth having all the answers" poster.
Nothing in your post contradicts anything I say. What you and I are talking about are 2 total different things.
What my OP says is if you control your diet, you will see results. You're telling me "some people don't have the will or motivation to control their diet" which is true, But has nothing to do with what I said.
Here's the thing. You're talking to people here for whom weight-loss is a huge challenge, sometimes one of the hardest things they've ever had to do, something that impacts every aspect of their life. It may be easy for some people, but for others its a seriously big deal.
I think for people for whom it is a very big deal, they resent the implication that it's "so easy a caveman could do it". They feel like it's dismissive of all the work they put into making the right food choices and working out. I actually know people for whom walking around the block is a big sweaty out-of-breath challenge, and people who cry with pride at turning down dessert at the office party. But they're doing it. They're losing weight. And they do NOT want to hear that all the work they're putting in is stupidly simple.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I love this. So true.
u jelly?
Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.
ya.. u jelly
You're so funny. Keep on thinking that if it makes you feel better
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.0 -
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.0 -
There are people for whom the OP’s sentiment is true...For them, weight loss is a simple matter of making good choices.
But there are also plenty of people for whom that is not true. Some people use food to cope with emotional challenges have to learn whole new ways to cope, which is MUCH harder than simply making different choices.
Some of us have hormonal challenges, and have to follow a drastically different plan than MFP-recommended calorie deficit every day.
Some folks face plenty of legitimate budgetary and scheduling challenges that require more thought and planning than "put down the twinkie".
The community here on the site can really help people stick with their goals and overcome challenges.
You are right that there are some people over-complicate as a way to self-sabotage or to excuse a lack of progress. But there are also plenty of people who are working hard to overcome legitimate complications.
I really agree with the "arrogance of youth having all the answers" poster.
Nothing in your post contradicts anything I say. What you and I are talking about are 2 total different things.
What my OP says is if you control your diet, you will see results. You're telling me "some people don't have the will or motivation to control their diet" which is true, But has nothing to do with what I said.
Here's the thing. You're talking to people here for whom weight-loss is a huge challenge, sometimes one of the hardest things they've ever had to do, something that impacts every aspect of their life. It may be easy for some people, but for others its a seriously big deal.
I think for people for whom it is a very big deal, they resent the implication that it's "so easy a caveman could do it". They feel like it's dismissive of all the work they put into making the right food choices and working out. I actually know people for whom walking around the block is a big sweaty out-of-breath challenge, and people who cry with pride at turning down dessert at the office party. But they're doing it. They're losing weight. And they do NOT want to hear that all the work they're putting in is stupidly simple.
Yeah I understand that, fat loss is almost 100% mental, but I'm not saying it isn't. All I'm saying is If you control diet(obviously being motivated) then you will see results no matter what. Eating 6 times a day or 3 times a day, it does not matter. As long as the calories are where they need to be, you'll see results0 -
inb4 people with PHD's in broscience post
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What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
yeah.. no I will not.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I love this. So true.
u jelly?
Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.
ya.. u jelly
You're so funny. Keep on thinking that if it makes you feel better
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not trying to disprove your original post. In fact, I agree to an extent. I agreed with the age difference statement because whippersnappers tend to think they have all of life figured out. It's not always black and white. In about 15 years, I think you will see what I mean. I'm not trying to diss you or anything. It's just what we old farts observe. :flowerforyou:0 -
in before the butthurt and buttload of excuses
Might be too late for that lol :laugh:0 -
Incidentally, eating under maintenance is not sufficient for most people with PCOS to lose weight.
I wasn't able to lose a pound until I saw a bariatrician (weight-loss doctor, not surgeon) who limited my calories to literally half of my TDEE, strictly limited my carbs, and gave me a challenging protein goal.
This "complication" is my reality... and I make progress every day.0 -
in before the butthurt and buttload of excuses
Might be too late for that lol :laugh:
true. I only read the OP before I responded and then read some of the butthurt after.0 -
I see threads all the time on here with some crazy nonsense like "eat 6 small meals a day" or here's a funny one "gaining weight after I quit smoking" the list goes on though.
Smoking - You will not gain weight if you quit smoking unless you binge eat after quitting, that's all there is to it.
Losing weight is very easy - Just eat under your maintenance and do cardio, hell you don't even need to do cardio to burn fat, you can do it all through diet. I recommend you do some type of cardio though for your heart.
Gaining muscle - Eat over your maintenance by anywhere from 200-500 calories, while lifting 3-4x a week and you will gain muscle, unless you have super low testosterone levels.
Losing fat and gaining muscle - Lift while you lose weight. If you feel like you don't have enough muscle when you lose the fat, then eat at a low surplus like 200-300 calories over maintenance for a few months. Then cut fat again, it's really that simple.(just posted this last part in another thread)
You honestly don't even need to eat super clean foods like rice and chicken every meal to lose weight, Although it will probably make you feel better. I don't want people to be turned off from fitness and being healthy because of this stuff.
inb4 people with PHD's in broscience post
In a perfect world of robot dieters, I'd agree 100% with this post. Unfortunately, I live in an imperfect world. It's more complicated here.0 -
Edit: ^ it's not much more complicated than that. srs
And how does this thread have anything to do with OP being young? It's the truth...0 -
in before the butthurt and buttload of excuses
Might be too late for that lol :laugh:
true. I only read the OP before I responded and then read some of the butthurt after.
There is a lot of butthurt in this thread0 -
How does this thread have anything to do with OP being young? It's the truth...
This man knows^0 -
Pretty sure this thread was not intended for people that have been diagnosed with hormonal issues and other medical problems. It's towards the people that haven't even been to a doctor and say they can't lose weight while they continue eating over their maintenance.
Edit: I'll be back in a little bit to rustle more jim jams with the truth0 -
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In a perfect world of robot dieters, I'd agree 100% with this post. Unfortunately, I live in an imperfect world. It's more complicated here.
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lol...robot dieters!0 -
I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.
Buy me a plane ticket too. Me and op will both go. Pensacola is the closest airport to me. I'm off till Tuesday. I will be glad to have a sit down conversation with you and your family.
OPs advice applies to the VAST majority of people.
Size isn't everything in a fight.0
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