You guys really like to over complicate things.
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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
My mom always said at the point where a person goes after ones age or gender to dismiss them, you should accept that you've reduced them to nothing but the most petty and base of justifications and leave them to cling to their (most likely) silly beliefs.
And my mom isn't her twenties, so that makes her opinions valid, amiright?
Just want to also point out that the OP's post has nothing to do with his age so not sure why people keep derailing the topic to discuss/point out his age.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
My mom always said at the point where a person goes after ones age or gender in order to dismiss them, you should accept that you've reduced them to nothing but the most petty and base of justifications and leave them to cling to their (most likely) silly beliefs.
And my mom isn't her twenties, so that makes her opinions valid, amiright?
Yep. Another form of ad hominem, i.e. when you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I never say this, but ...................... ^^THIS^^ ....................
So very on the mark!0 -
*Chuckle* Then I see the last page here and everyone is quoting you... LOL!0
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Just because the principle is simple doesn't mean the practice is easy. OP is right, and anyone can spend a hot minute on MFP and find hundreds of ridiculously over-complicated 'diet plans' people follow when all they need to do is eat at a moderate deficit, get their heart rate up, and pick up some heavy things.
Or, you know, whatever, they could stop eating all grains and replace it with organic raw kale powder, because DAMN IT I'M DIFFERENT.
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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.0
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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.
Doesn't that say enough?0 -
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the "LIKE" button....0 -
The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.
Doesn't that say enough?
Tells me everything I need to know, to be honest. On one hand we have people hung on the OP's age and without any real argument beyond...um. Well.
And on the other hand I see people who've lost the weight, look amazing, and have been there and done that, and say the OP is right.
Gee, I wonder which group I think has it pinned down...0 -
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the "LIKE" button....
I'm getting awfully close to finding the "report" button . . .0 -
ditto! Not to mention the 5 days straight of IV solumedrol followed by another 18 of prednisone.I have MS and that can make my weight loss and exercise capabilities very different from other people.
edit to add that in any case i've still been able to lose the weight. Its taken a very long time and it goes up quite a bit due to treatments but it can be done.0 -
eh I don't care about his age, I just came for the cat pics that were promised
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Just because the principle is simple doesn't mean the practice is easy. OP is right, and anyone can spend a hot minute on MFP and find hundreds of ridiculously over-complicated 'diet plans' people follow when all they need to do is eat at a moderate deficit, get their heart rate up, and pick up some heavy things.
Or, you know, whatever, they could stop eating all grains and replace it with organic raw kale powder, because DAMN IT I'M DIFFERENT.
So am I crazy for doing Semi-Paleo? O_O *can't give up my yogurt*0 -
Just because the principle is simple doesn't mean the practice is easy. OP is right, and anyone can spend a hot minute on MFP and find hundreds of ridiculously over-complicated 'diet plans' people follow when all they need to do is eat at a moderate deficit, get their heart rate up, and pick up some heavy things.
Or, you know, whatever, they could stop eating all grains and replace it with organic raw kale powder, because DAMN IT I'M DIFFERENT.
So am I crazy for doing Semi-Paleo? O_O *can't give up my yogurt*
I wouldn't say crazy, I would say unnecessary. But things like that if you like them I say go for it.0 -
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the "LIKE" button....
I'm getting awfully close to finding the "report" button . . .
umm why? there is nothing to report xD LOL0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
Yes OP is accurate, but a trifle arrogant. I think this is an accurate insight as well.0 -
ditto! Not to mention the 5 days straight of IV solumedrol followed by another 18 of prednisone.I have MS and that can make my weight loss and exercise capabilities very different from other people.
OP: Says something that is true of the vast majority of human beings
People: But I'm half martian or something that takes me outside of the norm.
...well that just invalidates everything doesn't it? Oh wait.
Edit, for more perspective: Some dude: Sunlight, while awesome, doesn't give one superpowers:
Superman: But I get my power from the yellow sun.
Dude: Well shucks. I must be wrong.0 -
Snip...OP is right though, and I only wish I had it that right at 21. It comes down to a calorie deficit. Period. He didn't say it was a cake walk. Only simple.
There is need to keep harping on his age.
Agreed.
I'm really impressed when youngsters get it. I love it. I personally hated it when (older) women at work would tell me, "Oh, just you wait when you're 40... It's all downhill from there... you'll see..." whatevs. I'd look at them like the crazies they are. Not saying my body won't go through changes, just that I'll know what I need to do when that happens. So that one lady was happy at the thought that one day I'd be in her miserable shoes.0 -
Pretty sure this thread was not intended for people that have been diagnosed with hormonal issues and other medical problems. It's towards the people that haven't even been to a doctor and say they can't lose weight while they continue eating over their maintenance.
Edit: I'll be back in a little bit to rustle more jim jams with the truth
Riight. :noway:
:huh: Waiting with baited breath.
There better be cats.0 -
Just because the principle is simple doesn't mean the practice is easy. OP is right, and anyone can spend a hot minute on MFP and find hundreds of ridiculously over-complicated 'diet plans' people follow when all they need to do is eat at a moderate deficit, get their heart rate up, and pick up some heavy things.
Or, you know, whatever, they could stop eating all grains and replace it with organic raw kale powder, because DAMN IT I'M DIFFERENT.
So am I crazy for doing Semi-Paleo? O_O *can't give up my yogurt*
I wouldn't say crazy, I would say unnecessary. But things like that if you like them I say go for it.
I just started it, so far I have been more energetic and more motivated *shrugs* could just be I stopped eating something I am allergic too xD0 -
I didn't make this thread to be a ****. I made this thread so that it could help people understand that for the majority of us, losing weight(or gaining) isn't that complicated. It was more to motivate than put you down, but if you have a medical condition or are taking meds, then you really don't apply to this thread and you know that.
That's good to know but I saw this on page 4.... not in the OP
So I won't bother going in to my doctors diagnosis for you to argue with the OP
Regardless, someone trying to read in here to learn how to get themselves off the couch and in the right direction, needs to be uplifted and not be made to feel like a failure.... This did sound like a blasting post from the start and I fully understand the reaction you got from it.0 -
I knew this would be a hot topic, but didn't think it would get this heated in here. Anyway I just came back and read all the pages, seems like the majority are agreeing with me, and the ones who don't agree with my post, seem to be quoting my age instead of trying to prove me wrong.0
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Well my doctor told me that smoking causes water retention, so that's why it seems like quitting smoking makes you lose weight, when it's just the water retention. I really don't know anything, but I don't smoke so it doesn't affect me. :P0
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Just because the principle is simple doesn't mean the practice is easy. OP is right, and anyone can spend a hot minute on MFP and find hundreds of ridiculously over-complicated 'diet plans' people follow when all they need to do is eat at a moderate deficit, get their heart rate up, and pick up some heavy things.
Or, you know, whatever, they could stop eating all grains and replace it with organic raw kale powder, because DAMN IT I'M DIFFERENT.
So am I crazy for doing Semi-Paleo? O_O *can't give up my yogurt*
I wouldn't say crazy, I would say unnecessary. But things like that if you like them I say go for it.
Ha, mostly I just smashed every buzzword I see here into one diet....the "grain free meat free raw organic no-GMO or I'll get FAT AND DIE" plan.
My take is more that unless you have an allergy or intolerance, there's no need to cut out a food group. However, if that is how you choose to create a calorie deficit, and it works for you long term, more power to ya.0 -
I can't believe this thread is going on? I still haven't read anything that actually counters what the OP initially stated.
I guess I'm just new and naive.
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What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the "LIKE" button....
I'm getting awfully close to finding the "report" button . . .
umm why? there is nothing to report xD LOL
Personal attacks are against the forum rules. I think "idiot" runs awfully close to crossing that line. I'm not a moderator though (far from it), and we can play mod roulette, or perhaps all the "older and wiser" types who feel the need to point out that they are "older and wiser" could act like it.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
“When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.”
~Wayne Dyer
The OP may be young, but discounting anything he says because he is young is ignorant.0 -
What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.
When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss.
You're right, and in 20 years, if you remember this post you will think you were an idiot.
Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the "LIKE" button....
I'm getting awfully close to finding the "report" button . . .
umm why? there is nothing to report xD LOL
Personal attacks are against the forum rules. I think "idiot" runs awfully close to crossing that line. I'm not a moderator though (far from it), and we can play mod roulette, or perhaps all the "older and wiser" types who feel the need to point out that they are "older and wiser" could act like it.
Oh I see, I actually skimmed it so was like wtf is he talking about reporting lol0 -
Be honest. You're here for the cat gifs.I can't believe this thread is going on? I still haven't read anything that actually counters what the OP initially stated.
I guess I'm just new and naive.
No problemo!More funny cat videos please?
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