You guys really like to over complicate things.
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Yes. Yes, I do. I L
VE to overcomplicate things. Especially if cool techie gadgets are involved. That is all. 0 -
O_O is it an excuse that i fractured my leg had two surgeries to fix it and I couldn't walk for a year an a half?0
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a horse and kitty for you
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I didn't make this thread to be a ****. I made this thread so that it could help people understand that for the majority of us, losing weight(or gaining) isn't that complicated. It was more to motivate than put you down, but if you have a medical condition or are taking meds, then you really don't apply to this thread and you know that.
And all I was saying was you made it all sound so simple, so easy. No problems. Life looks simple and easy when you are 21 as you are. I used to think like that when I was your age. But when you are my age you know it isn't. There is no one way to lose weight. No one diet plan for everyone. No one exercise plan for everyone. It isn't simple. Nothing in life is. Especially if it is worthwhile. And that is all I'm saying. You'll find that out in a few decades. Trust me on that.
Losing weight is simple math. You need to have deficit of x amount of calories to lose weight. Period. Yes there is 100's of ways to get you to a formula that works but the end result is still the same. Eat less, Move more. When there is a post everyday about carbs, clean eating and other "fads" that's when complications arise. I would really like to think the weight I lost was more than me being young, but because I worked hard.0 -
Écrasez l’infâme!
Plus I heard there were catsI thought there would be cats.....
Thank you!!!
And yes with age comes wisdom!0 -
Welcome to the internet. There are also cats.
funny cay video's are the best!0 -
Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I love this. So true.
u jelly?
Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.
"Youth is wasted on the young"
George Bernard Shaw0 -
Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
Don't be hatin, OP is speaking the truth.
While everything is technically correct, there are a lot of nuances missing.
"Just eat under maintenance" would be a whole lot easier if we had a little plug we could attach to the nearest analysis machine and get the correct maintenance calories. A lot of thing affect the human metabolism. Quitting smoking could cause one's metabolism to slow down, as could hormonal imbalances, age, nutrition (or lack) or a myriad of other factors.
And, in reality, if all it took was a bit of education to lose weight, we wouldn't be in such a pickle as a nation. The diet industry wouldn't be a million dollar market. Dr. Oz would still be performing heart surgery. :laugh: There's so much emotion and motivation tied up into what we eat and how much we exercise that it's easy to plug a quick fix and have tons of followers flock to you…
And then to get shamed when you ask a "simple" or even "stupid" question … well, no wonder some people quit before they've begun.
Your metabolism doesn't change all that much unless you go through some crazy eating disorders like anorexia. It's actually quite simple to calculate a range of your maintenance calories and I'd be willing to do it for anyone in this thread. Just PM me. Takes about 5 minutes lol.
And your second paragraph is actually what's wrong with this nation. It really does only take a little bit of education to lose weight unless you have some medical disorders, but we've already established that this thread isn't about them. People want a quick solution so they follow these gurus that spit the stupidest advice at people, and when it doesn't work they give up and say it's impossible for them to lose weight. If people actually learned about nutrition or how the body works these stupid gurus would disappear and people would actually see progress.
Yeah, I think we're actually in agreement about the 2nd paragraph. That is the problem with America. It's too bad we can't just teach everyone how to eat healthy, how to calculate their BMR and TDEE and eat within that, and watch the obesity problem disappear. But that is why people tend to overcomplicate things (we are, by nature, complex, emotional beings) and telling them it's really simple isn't going to help … they need to address the other issues.
As far as metabolism, even the best online calculators are only estimates. And then people disagree with those, too. And metabolism isn't a constant throughout one's life, or even adult life. It's a lot harder for me to lose weight now, on the same calorie intake, as it was 10 years ago. I have the skills to ramp up my exercise and play with my calories until I find the right combination, but many people who ask those questions are asking because they legitimately don't know.
In essence, I agree with most of what the OP said. But I'm afraid that the delivery came across as abrasive and judgmental. That's the hazard of the internet - you miss all those non-verbal nuances that in face-to-face interactions tell us more about the message. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted!!0 -
Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
So his hard work can't be comparable to other's hard work..is that what you are saying? :huh:0 -
More funny cat videos please?0
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Simple yes, easy, no. The OP knows exactly what he's talking about. Solid post bro.0
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Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone. I've been lifting about 3.5 months, doing cardio only occasionally and eating between a 15-20% cut from my TDEE (so around 1700, sometimes more sometimes less.). My results are inline with his. Would you find those more valid or...?0 -
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Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Oh and there was only about a 5lb weight difference between those pictures, maybe even less.0 -
I friend requested some of you that posted things I agree with on here...just in case you see it in your requests and wonder who the hell I am.
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Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone. I've been lifting about 3.5 months, doing cardio only occasionally and eating between a 15-20% cut from my TDEE (so around 1700, sometimes more sometimes less.). My results are inline with his. Would you find those more valid or...?
My wife is 40, a cancer survivor and has undergone chemotherapy. If you know anything about chem then you know it will destroy your body composition and metabolism. She's had amazing success while simply eating at a small deficit, and strength training with some cardio. Again, either do or don't. The process is quite simple. It's motivation and determination that are difficult.0 -
Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone. I've been lifting about 3.5 months, doing cardio only occasionally and eating between a 15-20% cut from my TDEE (so around 1700, sometimes more sometimes less.). My results are inline with his. Would you find those more valid or...?
My wife is 40, a cancer survivor and has undergone chemotherapy. If you know anything about chem then you know it will destroy your body composition and metabolism. She's had amazing success while simply eating at a small deficit, and strength training with some cardio. Again, either do or don't. The process is quite simple. It's motivation and determination that are difficult.
we're all gonna make it0 -
Just here to agree with the OP. :drinker:0
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I friend requested some of you that posted things I agree with on here...just in case you see it in your requests and wonder who the hell I am.
xoxo
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Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone. I've been lifting about 3.5 months, doing cardio only occasionally and eating between a 15-20% cut from my TDEE (so around 1700, sometimes more sometimes less.). My results are inline with his. Would you find those more valid or...?
My wife is 40, a cancer survivor and has undergone chemotherapy. If you know anything about chem then you know it will destroy your body composition and metabolism. She's had amazing success while simply eating at a small deficit, and strength training with some cardio. Again, either do or don't. The process is quite simple. It's motivation and determination that are difficult.
I think you forgot this
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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
I don't think OP was claiming to have all the answers at all. But this is literally the only answer to weight loss or gain in individuals that don't have medical issues.0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
:laugh: Win! :laugh:0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
So...how does this make what he said incorrect?0 -
Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.
Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.
I believe this falls under the category of 'Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase' :laugh:
From Urban Dictionary:
The time after the pointless teen years in which a young person develops what are called "standards" and "morals." It is a time in which eyes are opened and "The Truth" suddenly becomes clear.
Usually beginning when one enters college, said young person reads deep literature, searches for the meaning of life, and listens to college radio, all the while secretly becoming even more confused than when he/she was an lame 16 year old.
The Post-Adolescent Idealistic Phase usually entails naive 18-20something year olds upholding hopeful, yet unrealistic morals. Often, utopian dreams can be confused for "The Truth."
After the phase has ended, the young person must beware becoming highly hypocritical and/or jaded once life has slapped them around a bit.
"Is Josh giving you **** because he going through his post-adolescent idealistic phase?"
Dionne on Josh, "Clueless"
My mom always said at the point where a person goes after ones age or gender in order to dismiss them, you should accept that you've reduced them to nothing but the most petty and base of justifications and leave them to cling to their (most likely) silly beliefs.
And my mom isn't her twenties, so that makes her opinions valid, amiright?0 -
I guess I read the OP as saying "look, don't let the complexity scare you off, and don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".
Speaking from experience, when someone starts a program, they WANT to think about it all the time, because that much focus seems like it will get you there faster. Plus a complex program needs a lot of thought. But after a while, all of that mental energy expenditure gets exhausting. So in a sense the program that is capable of being internalized as a part of your day (like brushing your teeth) is the most likely to still be around after six months. I'm a pretty good example of that; I don't eat all "clean" foods by any means, and I have weeks (like this week) where I barely get a workout in. But I can count on one hand the days I've gone materially over on calories in six months. I use the MFP method and eat back most of my exercise calories because it allows me to stay straight even in hellish 80 hour work weeks with no workout except pacing the hallways at the office. If I had to eat 99% clean AND train five days a week AND stay under on calories AND hit my macros to the T -- I'd have blown up by Memorial Day, easy. And that's without getting into meal timing, complex training modules, or embracing the fantabulous raspberry ketone.0 -
Also for anyone claiming that this won't work.
This was me when I started tracking my calories.
And this was just 3 months later after eating only 300 calories under my maintenance a day and continuing to lift weights the way I always had.
It really is simple guys, I only did cardio 3 times between those pictures on days I went over my calories.
Excellent job! It worked nicely for you.
Too bad I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone.
I was going to lecture you about some stuff, but I'm starting to believe you cannot possibly put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
I'm not a dude with lots of testosterone. I've been lifting about 3.5 months, doing cardio only occasionally and eating between a 15-20% cut from my TDEE (so around 1700, sometimes more sometimes less.). My results are inline with his. Would you find those more valid or...?
My wife is 40, a cancer survivor and has undergone chemotherapy. If you know anything about chem then you know it will destroy your body composition and metabolism. She's had amazing success while simply eating at a small deficit, and strength training with some cardio. Again, either do or don't. The process is quite simple. It's motivation and determination that are difficult.
we're all gonna make it
On that we disagree.
Some do. Some don't.
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