You guys really like to over complicate things.

OMGeeeHorses · August 2013

my only excuse....I

food xD

PikaKnight · August 2013

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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.

Exception:
I have a "success story" and I do not agree with him.

What if I said you don't count. Cause reasons that are totally unrelated to the conversation at hand.

What "reasons" might those be?
There are several "conversation(s) at hand".

Just wondering what you don't agree with?

I quote the OP:
"What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.

When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss."

The human body is different when it's older.
Because of hormone shifts and imbalances during menopause, a woman stores fat much more readily, especially in her abdominal area.
It also causes her to lose muscle mass and bone density.
It takes a post menopausal woman much longer to lose weight eating at a deficit.
Her deficit needs to be greater than a pre-menopausal woman.
It also requires a greater effort for her to maintain muscle mass, especially than a younger man because (a) men have more muscle mass than women and (b) younger men have more testosterone than both older men and women.

If anyone is projecting an age bias, as has been suggested, it would be Mother Nature.

What OP meant was that the same basic principle of less calories = weight loss is always the same. As you can see he even stated that metabolism changes with age. Yes everyone is different and some things may need to be tweaked, but everyone will lose weight with less calories or gain weight with more calories.

(cough) backpedalling (cough)

How? It still says eating less than your maintenance will have you lose. Cough FAIL.

WhoHa42 · August 2013

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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.

Exception:
I have a "success story" and I do not agree with him.

What if I said you don't count. Cause reasons that are totally unrelated to the conversation at hand.

What "reasons" might those be?
There are several "conversation(s) at hand".

Just wondering what you don't agree with?

I quote the OP:
"What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.

When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss."

The human body is different when it's older.
Because of hormone shifts and imbalances during menopause, a woman stores fat much more readily, especially in her abdominal area.
It also causes her to lose muscle mass and bone density.
It takes a post menopausal woman much longer to lose weight eating at a deficit.
Her deficit needs to be greater than a pre-menopausal woman.
It also requires a greater effort for her to maintain muscle mass, especially than a younger man because (a) men have more muscle mass than women and (b) younger men have more testosterone than both older men and women.

If anyone is projecting an age bias, as has been suggested, it would be Mother Nature.

What OP meant was that the same basic principle of less calories = weight loss is always the same. As you can see he even stated that metabolism changes with age. Yes everyone is different and some things may need to be tweaked, but everyone will lose weight with less calories or gain weight with more calories.

(cough) backpedalling (cough)

How am I backpedaling? I never said everyone's body is exactly the same. I've said the same thing throughout this whole thread lol also I thought you blocked me brah?

PikaKnight · August 2013

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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.

Exception:
I have a "success story" and I do not agree with him.

What if I said you don't count. Cause reasons that are totally unrelated to the conversation at hand.

What "reasons" might those be?
There are several "conversation(s) at hand".

Just wondering what you don't agree with?

I quote the OP:
"What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.

When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss."

The human body is different when it's older.
Because of hormone shifts and imbalances during menopause, a woman stores fat much more readily, especially in her abdominal area.
It also causes her to lose muscle mass and bone density.
It takes a post menopausal woman much longer to lose weight eating at a deficit.
Her deficit needs to be greater than a pre-menopausal woman.
It also requires a greater effort for her to maintain muscle mass, especially than a younger man because (a) men have more muscle mass than women and (b) younger men have more testosterone than both older men and women.

If anyone is projecting an age bias, as has been suggested, it would be Mother Nature.

What OP meant was that the same basic principle of less calories = weight loss is always the same. As you can see he even stated that metabolism changes with age. Yes everyone is different and some things may need to be tweaked, but everyone will lose weight with less calories or gain weight with more calories.

(cough) backpedalling (cough)

How am I backpedaling? I never said everyone's body is exactly the same. I've said the same thing throughout this whole thread lol also I thought you blocked me brah?

Oopsies?

Tresiel · August 2013

Just lol when some people are missing the point completely and complaining their metabolism is not the same at 44 as it was when they were 21..... ya think?

Cranquistador · August 2013

Sup?

verptwerp · August 2013

Can't we all just get along :laugh:

Achrya · August 2013

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The only thing I see in this thread is saying that OP is young so he doesn't know anything. I haven't seen anyone prove that he is wrong in any way, in fact everyone with success stories in this thread agree with OP.

Exception:
I have a "success story" and I do not agree with him.

What if I said you don't count. Cause reasons that are totally unrelated to the conversation at hand.

What "reasons" might those be?
There are several "conversation(s) at hand".

Just wondering what you don't agree with?

I quote the OP:
"What else is funny is that you're agreeing with a statement that literally doesn't disprove anything I've said yet. Only thing it does is shows both you and him think somehow your body is "different" because you're older.

When in reality that's not how the body works, I mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. but you still have a maintenance for calories, and eating both below or above that you will see changes in your body of fat gains or fat loss."

The human body is different when it's older.
Because of hormone shifts and imbalances during menopause, a woman stores fat much more readily, especially in her abdominal area.
It also causes her to lose muscle mass and bone density.
It takes a post menopausal woman much longer to lose weight eating at a deficit.
Her deficit needs to be greater than a pre-menopausal woman.
It also requires a greater effort for her to maintain muscle mass, especially than a younger man because (a) men have more muscle mass than women and (b) younger men have more testosterone than both older men and women.

If anyone is projecting an age bias, as has been suggested, it would be Mother Nature.

What OP meant was that the same basic principle of less calories = weight loss is always the same. As you can see he even stated that metabolism changes with age. Yes everyone is different and some things may need to be tweaked, but everyone will lose weight with less calories or gain weight with more calories.

(cough) backpedalling (cough)

How does one backpedal when what they say is still the exact same.

The OP, in the very post that use quoted which makes it lolsy, says mean sure your metabolism is much slower than mine. which is a obvious acknowledgement that age/different levels of metabolism do matter. He acknowledged that the body changes as it ages, but that doesn't change the basic principal.

WhoHa42 · August 2013

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Hmmm, I read the OP and I don't take it as him trying to insult or undermine anyone. I took it as he is trying to say its basically a simple thing for the body to lose weight (calories in/calories out), but oftentimes some people make it harder than it basically is, and therefore don't even try (because of fear .... of giving up smoking for example).

I read 2 pages of responses and some folks agreed and some felt offended. the ones who were offended seems to me were having a hard time due to health or whatever challenges, and took the OP personally offensive.

I dont think the OP was undermining those with challenges, I think he was trying to encourage people to give it a try, with a few simple steps that could make a big change and actually give one hope that they could do it.

I have a few challenges in this new way of eating, but I just try to deal with it a day or a week at a time. I cant hardly walk but I am getting better. This weekend on vacation I was able to walk to the lighthouse and back and to and from my car, and also add to that about 1/4 mile on sand barefoot, this year I was able to do it, but last year NOT,,, without getting winded or not even be able to do that much. This is my challenge - to WALK.. dammit, but i WILL WALK again! @#$## grrr on my couch potato atrophying grrrr @#$#$@#!! but imma gonna do it. Loseing 30 pounds has made a difference - and I did start by making a few changes.

MFP gives us a way to lose weight gradually and less painful. ha! guess what! I went in to change my goals here to losing 3 pounds a week - but AHA! it wont let you do the numbers with more than 2 pounds weight loss a week.

That's a great post, goodjob on losing 30 lbs and walking again, You'll make it I know you will. You don't come off as the type to make excuses

Wisi that's because we all gonna make it brah
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RoseDarrett · August 2013

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Well, this thread was fun. Successful people who know that they're talking about have one view, and people just starting out and/or seriously struggling have another. Interesting. When I started out, I listened and read more than I spoke and wrote. I guess everyone is right and we are all special. Good night!

That might be the cutest thing I've seen ever!!! :flowerforyou:

Agree.

Sabine_Stroehm · August 2013

You're right. Losing weight is not difficult for most people.

Keeping it off is. So the research says....

WhoHa42 · August 2013

You're right. Losing weight is not difficult for most people.

Keeping it off is. So the research says....

That has a lot to do with fad diets and people not understanding how the body works. People that follow what's in the OP generally keep it off.

WisiPls · August 2013

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Hmmm, I read the OP and I don't take it as him trying to insult or undermine anyone. I took it as he is trying to say its basically a simple thing for the body to lose weight (calories in/calories out), but oftentimes some people make it harder than it basically is, and therefore don't even try (because of fear .... of giving up smoking for example).

I read 2 pages of responses and some folks agreed and some felt offended. the ones who were offended seems to me were having a hard time due to health or whatever challenges, and took the OP personally offensive.

I dont think the OP was undermining those with challenges, I think he was trying to encourage people to give it a try, with a few simple steps that could make a big change and actually give one hope that they could do it.

I have a few challenges in this new way of eating, but I just try to deal with it a day or a week at a time. I cant hardly walk but I am getting better. This weekend on vacation I was able to walk to the lighthouse and back and to and from my car, and also add to that about 1/4 mile on sand barefoot, this year I was able to do it, but last year NOT,,, without getting winded or not even be able to do that much. This is my challenge - to WALK.. dammit, but i WILL WALK again! @#$## grrr on my couch potato atrophying grrrr @#$#$@#!! but imma gonna do it. Loseing 30 pounds has made a difference - and I did start by making a few changes.

MFP gives us a way to lose weight gradually and less painful. ha! guess what! I went in to change my goals here to losing 3 pounds a week - but AHA! it wont let you do the numbers with more than 2 pounds weight loss a week.

That's a great post, goodjob on losing 30 lbs and walking again, You'll make it I know you will. You don't come off as the type to make excuses

Wisi that's because we all gonna make it brah

rip

OMGeeeHorses · August 2013

so who do you use for TDEE, Harrison or Katch? I use Harrison, but a lot of people say he is wrong.

PhoenixStrikes · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I love this. So true.

u jelly?

Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.

ya.. u jelly

I'm confused? Was this created to help people or to be sarcastic and mean? You may have valid points but its very broad and doesn't begin to cover the many different variables out there. Can we just say that yes, if the person in question is general healthy, strong willed and physically capable of keeping up with it than your advice is helpful? I think your generally poopy attitude is mainly whats discrediting you. Cheer up dude, it's not worth attacking people who are trying to make the right choice and struggling. We all struggle from time to time.

WisiPls · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I love this. So true.

u jelly?

Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.

ya.. u jelly

I'm confused? Was this created to help people or to be sarcastic and mean? You may have valid points but its very broad and doesn't begin to cover the many different variables out there. Can we just say that yes, if the person in question is general healthy, strong willed and physically capable of keeping up with it than your advice is helpful? I think your generally poopy attitude is mainly whats discrediting you. Cheer up dude, it's not worth attacking people who are trying to make the right choice and struggling. We all struggle from time to time.

That was a long while back..

WhoHa42 · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I love this. So true.

u jelly?

Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.

ya.. u jelly

I'm confused? Was this created to help people or to be sarcastic and mean? You may have valid points but its very broad and doesn't begin to cover the many different variables out there. Can we just say that yes, if the person in question is general healthy, strong willed and physically capable of keeping up with it than your advice is helpful? I think your generally poopy attitude is mainly whats discrediting you. Cheer up dude, it's not worth attacking people who are trying to make the right choice and struggling. We all struggle from time to time.

If you read through the rest of the thread you will realize that it is meant to help people. Some people need to be shaken out of the false reality they live in.

PikaKnight · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I love this. So true.

u jelly?

Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.

ya.. u jelly

I'm confused? Was this created to help people or to be sarcastic and mean? You may have valid points but its very broad and doesn't begin to cover the many different variables out there. Can we just say that yes, if the person in question is general healthy, strong willed and physically capable of keeping up with it than your advice is helpful? I think your generally poopy attitude is mainly whats discrediting you. Cheer up dude, it's not worth attacking people who are trying to make the right choice and struggling. We all struggle from time to time.

Many people starting out were not generally "healthy", strong willed or even physically capable of keeping up with a fit person. BUT, his advice isn't just for the fit. His advice actually applies to everyone (minus those with medical conditions). It's valid advice and some of the best that gets touted around here.

lifesigns64 · August 2013

Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

So very true . . . I remember when I had all the answers too.

hookilau · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I love this. So true.

u jelly?

Please explain why you think I am "jelly?" I'm guessing you think that I am jealous of your age. Far from it, dude. I wouldn't go back in time if I could. Been there and done that. Compared to where I was when I was younger, I am quite content where I am at now.

ya.. u jelly

I'm confused? Was this created to help people or to be sarcastic and mean? You may have valid points but its very broad and doesn't begin to cover the many different variables out there. Can we just say that yes, if the person in question is general healthy, strong willed and physically capable of keeping up with it than your advice is helpful? I think your generally poopy attitude is mainly whats discrediting you. Cheer up dude, it's not worth attacking people who are trying to make the right choice and struggling. We all struggle from time to time.

Makes sense to me :drinker:
ETA: love love love my ignore button and that apparently some growing up happened after the jelly comment...how much is debatable :huh:

Ang108 · August 2013

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The tone and approach of this thread indicates it was created by a child.
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That is what scorches my tortillas. It's not what is said, because it is true ( even though there was no use for posting something that is common knowledge in this community for the 4227th time), but what bothered me was the tone.
We are not all idiots that must be told over and over again, but many of us have a hard time to manage this new " lifestyle " after often decades of nutritional self abuse. But to recognize that one needs a certain amount of maturity, which is missing in much what is posted.

SStruthers13 · August 2013

And 12 pages later it's been complicated again.

Achrya · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

So very true . . . I remember when I had all the answers too.

:yawn:

Goodness I hope when I get old I don't become so arrogant that I dismiss reasonable things just because of someone's age.

WhoHa42 · August 2013

People in this thread,

You may be older than me and have more wisdom about life and everything that comes with it, but i can guarantee you that very few people in this thread would know more about training or nutrition than me. I don't understand why all of you have to complicate everything. If I was 40 years old would you take what I say as a fact and not even question it? If so I feel sorry for you.

/thread

DragonSquatter · August 2013

People in this thread,

You may be older than me and have more wisdom about life and everything that comes with it, but i can guarantee you that very few people in this thread would know more about training or nutrition than me. I don't understand why all of you have to complicate everything. If I was 40 years old would you take what I say as a fact and not even question it? If so I feel sorry for you.

/thread

Generally, age does not always bring wisdom. It takes more than just getting old to be wise.

parallax1978 · August 2013

Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

Ah the arrogance of "not having died"... this doesn't make you an expert on anything either. Stop being a troll.

jofjltncb6 · August 2013

Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I agree w/ OP of this thread.

I also agree with this post.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm in...

...because I'm certain this thread went places in its 11 pages...

...and I hope to catch up.

WhoHa42 · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

I agree w/ OP of this thread.

I also agree with this post.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm in...

...because I'm certain this thread went places in its 11 pages...

...and I hope to catch up.

Cliffs

Me, OP, and a few others clear up our points that may have been misunderstood in the first few posts
Many of the older people in the thread are still talking about OP being younger than them

/thread

letmebangbro · August 2013

If I learned one thing in this thread,
it's that I hope I die before I grow so old that I turn senile and delusional with my head stuck up so far up my own buttocks

PikaKnight · August 2013

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Ah, the arrogance of youth having all the answers. Like we haven't seen this many times before. Like we weren't in your shoes many years ago when we were the ones with all the answers. And in 30-40 years when you in our shoes and you know you won't have all the answers.

Time is the great equalizer. We've seen this play before.

So very true . . . I remember when I had all the answers too.

:yawn:

Goodness I hope when I get old I don't become so arrogant that I dismiss reasonable things just because of someone's age.

QFT

You guys really like to over complicate things.

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