Saying No to Vaccinations

LOL @ Flu shots

Who does that?

What a hate-filled thread this is.

If people don't want to get vaccinated then why should you care? If your vaccines work so well then their medical condition shouldn't affect you.

In other words live and let live. Stop being so hateful and calling people names just because their choices are not your choices.

Everyone who insulted those who chose to not vaccinate is completely guilty of bigoted hate. Go examine your hearts, folks. You're the worst kind of people out there for thinking that you should be able to force others to get medical treatment that they don't agree with. Whatever happened to 'getting along'?

You would do well to read the last few pages of the thread. People get vaccinated for the benefit of themselves and everyone they interact with. I have never gotten the flu EVER, but I do it for the sake of my kid, my husband, my parents, and everyone that I work with.

Listen, if they get the shot and it works so well, then what does it matter if you get it? How do you think that getting weakened strains of last year's flu is going to help you? It's one of the fastest changing viruses out there, aside from the common cold.

Don't worry; I don't really care what your answers are. You won't change anyone's way of thinking and neither will I, but the original point of my post remains...

This is what I am saying: STOP INSULTING PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. Everyone has their reasons, and at least until ObummerCare gets fully implemented people in the US (there are those from other countries on this thread too) can choose whether or not they want to take these shots.

Free government injections...that does not instill confidence in a lot of thinking people.

And whierd... can you even understand how idiotic your high school level taunts are? I feel truly sorry for anyone who finds amusements throwing out insults like you do.

Obummercare? That's what you went with? And you wonder why ignorance is being called out on this thread?

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

That brings up an interesting discussion.

Do we, as individuals, have a social responsibility to protect our fellow citizens from sickness by preventing sickness within ourselves?

Yes. And to stay the eff home when we're ill. Took little to a movie last month. During the previews the chick behind us answers the phone and tells her mom that her strep test came back positive and the doc called in a script for her that she wanted her mom to pick up. GO HOME!

With strep you're under quarantine. Kids with strep can't go to school. Responsible people with strep don't go to the movie theater until they've been on an antibiotic for 36 to 48 hours.

And whierd... can you even understand how idiotic your high school level taunts are? I feel truly sorry for anyone who finds amusements throwing out insults like you do.

Hey now, don't go off on wheird...he's the only reason I read these threads. Not just for his amusing one liners, but because he actually gives well thought out responses. The guy is my hero...well my MFP hero anyway.

Jealous that I never been fat in my life. I only have 10 lbs to lose. I never weighed over 110 in my life.
Oh I know yup! Thank God I have and was blessed with good genes. Ba bye! Unless somebody wants me to tell fat jokes LMFAOI

I thought we were talking about vaccinations, not fat people. Were you dropped on the head as a child? I met somebody like you once, someone who just sort of went from thought to thought to thought without making any real connections between them. Makes it tough to carry on a conversation.

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Just trying something.

First off I want to say I'm not against childhood vaccinations. But, the flu "vaccine" is nothing like the ones you get as a child. It's a predicted random concoction that makes big profits for big pharma every year.

I see a lot responding "I'll believe what the doctors/scientist tell me". Guess what; those people get generous kick backs from big pharma - you know the ones that make a fortune every year on the flu "vaccine". I had the flu vaccine once about 6-7 years ago, but never since. Guess what; never got sick. Yes, that's anecdotal but I'd rather my body fight it on it's own if I get it instead of getting some random cocktail and lining some CEOs pocket even more.

Not to mention, the world is over populated and there needs to be a "cleansing" otherwise everyone will suffer in the end due to lack of resources. The same reason hunters have to "thin the herd" of deer and whatever else.

This might have already been said, I'm only up to this page of the thread, but vaccines have some of the smallest profit margins for pharmacuetical companies. The prices are usually set by the government, not the company, so that the most amount of people can benefit. That's why so many companies are no longer in the vaccine business. The government sometimes has trouble getting their cache of vaccines because of this, and have to entice/bribe/guilt a company into getting back into the vaccine business.

Just confirmed on you tube there is a doctor saying this and it was on the news. There were no diesases in North America
till the white men invaded. The natives were healthy and lived natural. So they needed vaccines then? But check you tube a doctor is saying what I said. So go argue with the doctors.

No diseases you say? Au contrare. Many diseases:

Cancer
Rabies
Iron deficiency anemia
Tuberculosis
Venereal Diseases
Osteomyelitis
Osteoarthritis
etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071659/

First off I want to say I'm not against childhood vaccinations. But, the flu "vaccine" is nothing like the ones you get as a child. It's a predicted random concoction that makes big profits for big pharma every year.

I see a lot responding "I'll believe what the doctors/scientist tell me". Guess what; those people get generous kick backs from big pharma - you know the ones that make a fortune every year on the flu "vaccine". I had the flu vaccine once about 6-7 years ago, but never since. Guess what; never got sick. Yes, that's anecdotal but I'd rather my body fight it on it's own if I get it instead of getting some random cocktail and lining some CEOs pocket even more.

Not to mention, the world is over populated and there needs to be a "cleansing" otherwise everyone will suffer in the end due to lack of resources. The same reason hunters have to "thin the herd" of deer and whatever else.

This might have already been said, I'm only up to this page of the thread, but vaccines have some of the smallest profit margins for pharmacuetical companies. The prices are usually set by the government, not the company, so that the most amount of people can benefit. That's why so many companies are no longer in the vaccine business. The government sometimes has trouble getting their cache of vaccines because of this, and have to entice/bribe/guilt a company into getting back into the vaccine business.

Valid point. :-)

Just confirmed on you tube there is a doctor saying this and it was on the news. There were no diesases in North America
till the white men invaded. The natives were healthy and lived natural. So they needed vaccines then? But check you tube a doctor is saying what I said. So go argue with the doctors.

No diseases you say? Au contrare. Many diseases:

Cancer
Rabies
Iron deficiency anemia
Tuberculosis
Venereal Diseases
Osteomyelitis
Osteoarthritis
etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071659/

But did you learn that from a doctor on YouTube?

First off I want to say I'm not against childhood vaccinations. But, the flu "vaccine" is nothing like the ones you get as a child. It's a predicted random concoction that makes big profits for big pharma every year.

I see a lot responding "I'll believe what the doctors/scientist tell me". Guess what; those people get generous kick backs from big pharma - you know the ones that make a fortune every year on the flu "vaccine". I had the flu vaccine once about 6-7 years ago, but never since. Guess what; never got sick. Yes, that's anecdotal but I'd rather my body fight it on it's own if I get it instead of getting some random cocktail and lining some CEOs pocket even more.

Seriously though there was a time where there was no flu vaccine and people got along without it. You either got the flu or you didn't. Now all of a sudden some scientists in some lab some where comes up with a vaccine and everyone jumps on the bandwagon to get it and blasts those who choose not to.

I choose not to because I don't think it's necessary for me. Too much is being forced on people that is not necessary. What happened to the freedom of choice? Never mind the fact that doctors don't take the time to diagnose or look for other options when it comes to illness. They're so quick to check you out and open up their pad and scribble out an RX for you and send you on your merry little way and people take it and think it's fine because doctor knows best, right? Wrong. There are a lot of drugs out there that do far more damage to you than whatever it is that they are treating. Hell, most of those nice antibiotics that they give you -- the Z-pack comes to mind -- is toxic.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just a little lamb who strayed from the herd.

I was going to stay out of this but then I read it.
I am certain I am going to get burned for this but so be it.
First, I feel the same as above quoted person. The real threats, such as polio, I vaccinate for. But the flu shot? No. Not because I am lazy, not because its a waste of money, not because they don't work, not because I am a crazy hippie, just no.
I grew up in a family that is absolutely convinced that vaccinations are sooo terrible. Claims that it "gives you Autism" and "they inject poisons" or "it would be so easy for them kill us off that way if they wanted to" and worse "they implant tracking chips in us without our knowledge using the vaccinations to do it." I don't believe any of this now. But, only because I did my own research. I found, scientifically proven facts all over the board.
When having my first child, I studied on it a lot! I really wanted to do what was best for her and not just what my crazy family said. I decided not to vaccinate at birth, but to start at 3-6 months old. This was simply based off my feelings of not wanting to attack a child with all that right at birth. She needed time to build her system a little first/ a little stronger than a newborn anyways.
Well, 4 months old she received a series of shots and had a severe reaction. Not really any guarantee as to which shot since she received several at once. The doctor felt it was best to give her more time, to build up her immunity again before trying any more. At 2 years old, we gave her 1 shot, 6 months later 1 shot. Continuing this way until she had them all. Never another reaction.
Now, as I said, I have researched a ton, I am not just making an uneducated statement here. I believe that it is best to vaccinate for the really bad things. But, I feel it is better for a small child to get chicken pox, not the shot. Come 5 years old and time to go to school and she still never got the chicken pox, then she got vaccinated. Yes, I care about protecting other people's children but I still prefer that she had just gotten the pox.
I hate doctors. Well, most doctors. They are so quick to write out a prescription or give you a shot when something much more simple and natural will suffice. I believe doctors have their place. If I have a broken leg, I need them. But if I have a cold or a flu, I do not run to the doctor's office. This is just silly. I don't want a shot, I want some garlic, goldenseal, echincea, Vitamin C, ginger, cayenne pepper, lemon and a hot bath and by noon I will be just fine.
It is completely ridiculous that people have forgotten how to care for themselves!
As the above quoted person said, most of those prescriptions cause more problems than they fix. The side effects include dizziness, nausea, shortness of breath, ulcers, blood in stool, migraines, numbness, fainting and itching. I am sorry, but that sounds WAY worse than having a cold. I think I can treat myself very much, stay away from me.

Just confirmed on you tube there is a doctor saying this and it was on the news. There were no diesases in North America
till the white men invaded. The natives were healthy and lived natural. So they needed vaccines then? But check you tube a doctor is saying what I said. So go argue with the doctors.

No diseases you say? Au contrare. Many diseases:

Cancer
Rabies
Iron deficiency anemia
Tuberculosis
Venereal Diseases
Osteomyelitis
Osteoarthritis
etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071659/

But did you learn that from a doctor on YouTube?

I am a doctor on Youtube sometimes.

True story.

They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. ;-)

I'll take my chances thank you.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(11)70295-X/abstract

"Flu Vaccines Prevent the Flu in Only 1.5% of Adults

A new study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases reveals that the flu vaccine prevents lab confirmed type A or type B influenza in only 1.5 out of every 100 vaccinated adults … but the media is reporting this to mean "60 percent effective."

It is estimated that, annually, only about 2.7% of adults get type A or type B influenza in the first place. The study showed that the use of flu vaccines appear to drop this down to about 1.2%. This is a roughly 60% drop, but that ignores the fact that the vaccine has no protective health benefit for 97.5% of adults.

The researchers' own conclusions are also somewhat more lackluster in their tone than the media would have you believe:

"Influenza vaccines can provide moderate protection against virologically confirmed influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or absent in some seasons. Evidence for protection in adults aged 65 years or older is lacking.""

NaturalNews is not exactly unbiased, and they misinterpreted the actual study:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlipson/2013/02/04/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot/

The findings from the abstract:

We screened 5707 articles and identified 31 eligible studies (17 randomised controlled trials and 14 observational studies). Efficacy of TIV was shown in eight (67%) of the 12 seasons analysed in ten randomised controlled trials (pooled efficacy 59% [95% CI 51—67] in adults aged 18—65 years). No such trials met inclusion criteria for children aged 2—17 years or adults aged 65 years or older. Efficacy of LAIV was shown in nine (75%) of the 12 seasons analysed in ten randomised controlled trials (pooled efficacy 83% [69—91]) in children aged 6 months to 7 years. No such trials met inclusion criteria for children aged 8—17 years. Vaccine effectiveness was variable for seasonal influenza: six (35%) of 17 analyses in nine studies showed significant protection against medically attended influenza in the outpatient or inpatient setting. Median monovalent pandemic H1N1 vaccine effectiveness in five observational studies was 69% (range 60—93).

This doesn't disprove what I originally posted. It still shows a sucky effectiveness. You also forgot the last part;

"Influenza vaccines can provide moderate protection against virologically confirmed influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or absent in some seasons. Evidence for protection in adults aged 65 years or older is lacking. LAIVs consistently show highest efficacy in young children (aged 6 months to 7 years). New vaccines with improved clinical efficacy and effectiveness are needed to further reduce influenza-related morbidity and mortality."

You really think Big Farma and the FDA has everyone's best interests at hear?

I don't give a crap who makes money but when there's kickbacks going around to the pharmaceutical companies for writing out prescriptions that aren't needed then I have a problem with that. When the FDA approves drugs, puts them on the market and has a whole list of side effects -- 'FATAL EVENTS MAY OCCUR' -- then yes, I have a problem with it.

One should not die, get cancer, TB, or any other disease because they took a medication to stop a disease.

At least there's someone else with common sense in here.

Oh goodie, what's a post about disease treatment/prevention without some good fear mongering thrown in?

I'm ready for my flu shot now.