Saying No to Vaccinations

Just confirmed on you tube there is a doctor saying this and it was on the news. There were no diesases in North America
till the white men invaded. The natives were healthy and lived natural. So they needed vaccines then? But check you tube a doctor is saying what I said. So go argue with the doctors.

No diseases you say? Au contrare. Many diseases:

Cancer
Rabies
Iron deficiency anemia
Tuberculosis
Venereal Diseases
Osteomyelitis
Osteoarthritis
etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071659/

But did you learn that from a doctor on YouTube?

Now, as I said, I have researched a ton, I am not just making an uneducated statement here. I believe that it is best to vaccinate for the really bad things. But, I feel it is better for a small child to get chicken pox, not the shot. Come 5 years old and time to go to school and she still never got the chicken pox, then she got vaccinated. Yes, I care about protecting other people's children but I still prefer that she had just gotten the pox.

I've never gotten the flu shot and have never gotten the flu *knock on wood*. I don't see why I need to start now :ohwell: But that's just me...

To protect those around you.
I am like you. I've never gotten the flu, and I never got the shot until I was forced to in the military. Now I get the vaccine every year because I educated myself on why it's important .

I like that little cut down at the end. I also educated myself, and chose not to get the flu shot. You should have said:
"... I educated myself on why it's important FOR MY SITUATION."

Now, as I said, I have researched a ton, I am not just making an uneducated statement here. I believe that it is best to vaccinate for the really bad things. But, I feel it is better for a small child to get chicken pox, not the shot. Come 5 years old and time to go to school and she still never got the chicken pox, then she got vaccinated. Yes, I care about protecting other people's children but I still prefer that she had just gotten the pox.

You may have dont the best thing by vaccinating her against chicken pox, of course there is no real long term data yet because it's still a new vaccination, but you may have prevented your daughter from suffering from shingles. Good job Mom!

Shingles sucks, for sure. But it isn't deadly.

I am iffy on this particular vaccine.

And whierd... can you even understand how idiotic your high school level taunts are? I feel truly sorry for anyone who finds amusements throwing out insults like you do.

Hey now, don't go off on wheird...he's the only reason I read these threads. Not just for his amusing one liners, but because he actually gives well thought out responses. The guy is my hero...well my MFP hero anyway.

:laugh:

Who said there was hate on this thread? All I can see is a lot of

Yep, love. Lots of love for people I care about. Enough so that I get vaccinated to protect them.

Fact: 100% of people who get vaccines die. SCIENCE!

I don't know, I think my son either became autistic after the MMR vaccine, or during pregnancy when I worked as a correctional officer. While working the overnight shift and sometimes having to work doubles, I would only bring enough food from home for one shift and was not expecting to have to pull a double. Often times, I would get so hungry while working the overnight shift that I had to eat a sack lunch sometimes, that they would prepare for the inmates leaving for work. The sack lunch contained the worst kinds of foods that the average person would not eat. There was an apple and a packet of peanut butter, and some bologna with two slices of bread. I remember rinsing the bologna off real good and putting it in the microwave till it popped and eating the non-organic, highly pesticide-filled red apple that came with it, along with peanut butter on the top. My other theory for my son coming up autistic is that during my pregnancy, I had a threatened miscarriage with him and I had to be rushed to the emergency room because I was bleeding. He turned out to be okay, but maybe it caused brain damage that caused his autism. Maybe, I am secretly half-autistic myself, since I am extremely shy in person, and socially awkward and I passed on a gene to him. I don't know. However, I was vaccinated as a child, and although I consider myself kind of weird, I turned out fine. I have gotten the flu vaccine for him and myself and we have never gotten the flu. But a lot of my neighbors told me to stop vaccinating, since my son was autistic. I was like, "What difference does it make, he already has autism, so what is not vaccinating him going to prevent or prove?"

Your sons autism isn't the result of vaccinations, bologna, or the apple. I am sorry, but it was another reason.

Shingles sucks, for sure. But it isn't deadly.

I am iffy on this particular vaccine.

No but it can disfigure and debilitate someone.

But how often does that happen?

Shingles sucks, for sure. But it isn't deadly.

I am iffy on this particular vaccine.

No but it can disfigure and debilitate someone.

But how often does that happen?

no data but the patients I've seen it in is very sad and sucks their quality of life for a long time

I'll take my chances thank you.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(11)70295-X/abstract

"Flu Vaccines Prevent the Flu in Only 1.5% of Adults

A new study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases reveals that the flu vaccine prevents lab confirmed type A or type B influenza in only 1.5 out of every 100 vaccinated adults … but the media is reporting this to mean "60 percent effective."

It is estimated that, annually, only about 2.7% of adults get type A or type B influenza in the first place. The study showed that the use of flu vaccines appear to drop this down to about 1.2%. This is a roughly 60% drop, but that ignores the fact that the vaccine has no protective health benefit for 97.5% of adults.

The researchers' own conclusions are also somewhat more lackluster in their tone than the media would have you believe:

"Influenza vaccines can provide moderate protection against virologically confirmed influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or absent in some seasons. Evidence for protection in adults aged 65 years or older is lacking.""

NaturalNews is not exactly unbiased, and they misinterpreted the actual study:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlipson/2013/02/04/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot/

The findings from the abstract:

We screened 5707 articles and identified 31 eligible studies (17 randomised controlled trials and 14 observational studies). Efficacy of TIV was shown in eight (67%) of the 12 seasons analysed in ten randomised controlled trials (pooled efficacy 59% [95% CI 51—67] in adults aged 18—65 years). No such trials met inclusion criteria for children aged 2—17 years or adults aged 65 years or older. Efficacy of LAIV was shown in nine (75%) of the 12 seasons analysed in ten randomised controlled trials (pooled efficacy 83% [69—91]) in children aged 6 months to 7 years. No such trials met inclusion criteria for children aged 8—17 years. Vaccine effectiveness was variable for seasonal influenza: six (35%) of 17 analyses in nine studies showed significant protection against medically attended influenza in the outpatient or inpatient setting. Median monovalent pandemic H1N1 vaccine effectiveness in five observational studies was 69% (range 60—93).

This doesn't disprove what I originally posted. It still shows a sucky effectiveness. You also forgot the last part;

"Influenza vaccines can provide moderate protection against virologically confirmed influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or absent in some seasons. Evidence for protection in adults aged 65 years or older is lacking. LAIVs consistently show highest efficacy in young children (aged 6 months to 7 years). New vaccines with improved clinical efficacy and effectiveness are needed to further reduce influenza-related morbidity and mortality."

I haven't read any of the above posts, but I am completely against the flu shot. I've gotten the flu each and every time I got the shot. No, I'm not talking about flu-like symptoms for maybe one or two days, I'm talking about the full-blown flu, fever and all for about a week or so.

Fact: 100% of people who get vaccines die. SCIENCE!

There are pros and cons to all vaccinations, personally I am of the opinion that the only way herd immunity works is if the majority of the herd is vaccinated. This wouldn't be a big deal except there are lots of people who CAN'T be vaccinated for various reasons, and those are usually the people who most need to be protected against the types of diseases that we are vaccinated against. Therefore, even though the flu probably won't kill me, and I hate getting shots, every year I roll up my sleeve and deal with it so that if I happen to come in contact with someone who is immuno-suppressed for whatever reason I won't be the person who gives them the flu causing them to get even more sick. I fully intend to take the same approach with my own children, I may or may not use a modified/alternate vaccination schedule (I haven't done enough research on them yet to make that decision, I don't have kids yet either so I don't need to know what I'm going to do!) but my children will be fully vaccinated before they reach an age where they could expose others and make them very sick.


Herd immunity (or community immunity) describes a form of immunity that occurs when the vaccination of a significant portion of a population (or herd) provides a measure of protection for individuals who have not developed immunity.[1] Herd immunity theory proposes that, in contagious diseases that are transmitted from individual to individual, chains of infection are likely to be disrupted when large numbers of a population are immune or less susceptible to the disease. The greater the proportion of individuals who are resistant, the smaller the probability that a susceptible individual will come into contact with an infectious individual.[2] (Wikipedia)