Gluten. Dairy. Sugar.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

WendyTerry420 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

Yeah, it sounds a bit high to me, also, but I've never researched the stats, so anything's possible.

jeardawg · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

Yeah, it sounds a bit high to me, also, but I've never researched the stats, so anything's possible.

I think that there are many who COULD be diagnosed with lactose intolerance, but are not so severely impaired that they get away with some dairy. My wife can eat most anything, until you get her a large dose of ice cream or whipped cream and then I will TESTIFY to her lactose intolerance. I know many many who are like that. I don't have any sources to post for someone to call fake, I am just suggesting that its what I have seen.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

Yeah, it sounds a bit high to me, also, but I've never researched the stats, so anything's possible.

I think that there are many who COULD be diagnosed with lactose intolerance, but are not so severely impaired that they get away with some dairy. My wife can eat most anything, until you get her a large dose of ice cream or whipped cream and then I will TESTIFY to her lactose intolerance. I know many many who are like that. I don't have any sources to post for someone to call fake, I am just suggesting that its what I have seen.

Lol! Yeah, I just don't know much about the topic. I can't say either way, really.

WendyTerry420 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

Yeah, it sounds a bit high to me, also, but I've never researched the stats, so anything's possible.

I think that there are many who COULD be diagnosed with lactose intolerance, but are not so severely impaired that they get away with some dairy. My wife can eat most anything, until you get her a large dose of ice cream or whipped cream and then I will TESTIFY to her lactose intolerance. I know many many who are like that. I don't have any sources to post for someone to call fake, I am just suggesting that its what I have seen.

Lol! Yeah, I just don't know much about the topic. I can't say either way, really.

Someone on MFP debunked it a while back, but I don't have the time right now to look it up. It seems like it may have been Tigersword? I don't remember for sure, but this topic has come up, and no one has ever shown proof.

jonnythan · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

AlyssaJoJo · January 2014

I love all three of those things!

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

So 6 out of 10 people are lactose intolerant? I don't believe it. I've met *one* lactose intolerant person in my whole life, and I'm nearly 40.

Here you are:

Lactose intolerance is fairly common. It seems to affect guys and girls equally. Some ethnic groups are more likely to be affected than others because their diets traditionally include fewer dairy products: Almost all Asians and Native Americans are lactose intolerant, and up to 80% of African Americans and Hispanic Americans also have symptoms of lactose intolerance. Their ancestors did not eat dairy foods, so their bodies were not prepared to digest dairy, and they passed these genes on from generation to generation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/nutrition/lactose_intolerance.html#

Another:

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

This one breaks it down statistically for you:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/

Approximately 75 % of Earths population is lactose intolerant for a reason, that’s because it’s perfectly natural. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/#sthash.h0dsgNe4.dpuf

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/

Some people have it worse then others. While some have very mild symptoms they may not even recognize. For others, it is painful and can affect their every day life.

Neither of those are primary sources. So I still don't believe it.

Just out of curiosity, which point are you doubting? 1. Whether or not lactose intolerance exists or 2. the prevalence at which it exists?

The prevalence. Six out of ten? I've met one person in my whole life that has a problem with dairy. She used to take a pill so that she could eat cheese or ice cream.

Yeah, it sounds a bit high to me, also, but I've never researched the stats, so anything's possible.

I think that there are many who COULD be diagnosed with lactose intolerance, but are not so severely impaired that they get away with some dairy. My wife can eat most anything, until you get her a large dose of ice cream or whipped cream and then I will TESTIFY to her lactose intolerance. I know many many who are like that. I don't have any sources to post for someone to call fake, I am just suggesting that its what I have seen.

Lol! Yeah, I just don't know much about the topic. I can't say either way, really.

Someone on MFP debunked it a while back, but I don't have the time right now to look it up. It seems like it may have been Tigersword? I don't remember for sure, but this topic has come up, and no one has ever shown proof.

Interesting. Yeah, the NDIH seems to believe it exists, but I didn't see stats anywhere and most were observational studies.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

Also interesting. Any sources for this, or is it part of what Wendy was talking about?

ajaxe432 · January 2014

Glad for you on your success, sadley it is not because of those three. Caloric deficit is what made you lose weight. I am with you on dairy and other things. I never really thought much of consuming other an animals milk....not for me. But, if it works for some, go for it!

As for sugar, I do not care to much for it as I do keep under 50 grams a day. Although I have mixed feelings and thoughts about it, my mind goes back 50 years ago when 50 grams of sugar was the most a person consumed a day. In todays era, it is much higher. Overconsumption of anything is bad for you.

WendyTerry420 · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

That is interesting because the *one* person I met that was intolerant was a black woman.

jonnythan · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

Also interesting. Any sources for this, or is it part of what Wendy was talking about?

Not offhand. There's lots of data out there. We read a few studies on the topic in one of my public health classes.

jill604 · January 2014

hmmm I eat these three "evil" foods regularly and maintain 11% body fat and have lost about 60 pounds total since I started..

OP - you are losing weight because you restricted three food groups and created a calorie deficit..

Also, are you eating zero sugar? So that means no fruit, candy, carbs, etc????

Every body is different.. Some people can not diet, eat junk and never gain.. some people can eat a donut and gain 5 lbs. You can not generalize everyone as you. Losing 30 lbs in 2 months is not that crazy depending how much there is to lose of course. From experience with a lot to lose and following a steady plan 30 lbs the first 2 months of a diet is forseeable. Its when that person only has 30 to lose total its more far fetched.

Umm actually everyone is the same…if you eat in a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. Eliminating sugar, daily, gluten has nothing to do with weight loss..it is just an idiotically restrictive way to create a calorie deficit…

Eat a donut and gain five pounds, really? So that donut has 17,500 calories in it? That would be one hell of a donut…

Wrong again...every body is not the same. Unfortunately there is more to losing weight/keeping it off than creating a deficit. Different peoples bodies don't absorb certain things as well as other bodies. If a person is on medication this might affect it as well. Then you can take into account metabolism etc. Think about the three people in this world who have that rare disease where no matter what they eat they can't gain weight. Every body is not the same what works for the MAJORITY does not work for all.

Although I think I'll keep counting my calories that is what works for me!

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

That is interesting because the *one* person I met that was intolerant was a black woman.

Interesting, indeed.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

Also interesting. Any sources for this, or is it part of what Wendy was talking about?

Not offhand. There's lots of data out there. We read a few studies on the topic in one of my public health classes.

Did they pose an evolutionary hypothesis behind this?

neutralmente · January 2014

I've tried giving up grains, dairy, and sugar multiple times over the past year or two because I go to a gym where all the trainers are paleo. Eventually I started having lots of digestive issues and binge eating issues. I also started eating out a lot because nothing I made at home ever sounded good. I gained weight.

Then I found Go Kaleo and her group of health advocates. I added it all back into my diet, gained five pounds, and had horrible stomach pain for the first month or so, but now my digestive system is all better. I can't tolerate lactose, but I can eat everything else without any issues. I'm losing weight the old fashioned way now: By counting calories. I also make sure to get plenty of protein.

Robb Wolf, the king of paleo, has even admitted recently that it appears to be more about a calorie deficit than anything. Eating more whole foods is more filling, and people naturally eat much less. One might also consider the energy involved in breaking down whole foods versus processed foods, which helps add to the deficit.

I dunno. Just some food for thought.

jonnythan · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

Also interesting. Any sources for this, or is it part of what Wendy was talking about?

Not offhand. There's lots of data out there. We read a few studies on the topic in one of my public health classes.

Did they pose an evolutionary hypothesis behind this?

Oh yeah. It came up in my genetics course too, where we looked at some analyses that identified the development of the gene in a few different places at different periods in human history. Interesting stuff.

RacerG36 · January 2014

Congratulations on losing the weight, and also I read your blog and can definitely see why you referred to those items as evil seeing the affects they had on YOU in particular. I have gone through all the threads of this post as well as several others in the last couple of days, and have been continuously surprised by large amount of fighting, name calling and just plain being mean done by a lot of people on these threads. I am just really starting out my journey and I have to be honest I would be way to scared to post anything on MFP, for fear of having the same thing that happened here to me. When I look up information on making changes for my lifestyle I do my own research and don't base it on the words of one individual and based on the comments from all those posting comments on this thread (on both sides), everyone has done their own research. The OP made a short success story and used the words "Evil" and "Try it", which to be honest I don't find offense with, because after reading her blog post I can understand why she said "Evil". Also after her health scare, I can see why she would be so happy to offer people to TRY and see what happens. From reading her post, all I got was her joy at finally losing those 30lbs and eliminating foods the were not working for HER. Again to the OP, congrats on your success and continued health.

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

Selection bias.

Most white people are lactose tolerant. Most non-white people are not. The vast majority of people of Asian (especially eastern and southern Asia) or African descent are not lactose tolerant.

Also interesting. Any sources for this, or is it part of what Wendy was talking about?

Not offhand. There's lots of data out there. We read a few studies on the topic in one of my public health classes.

Did they pose an evolutionary hypothesis behind this?

Oh yeah. It came up in my genetics course too, where we looked at some analyses that identified the development of the gene in a few different places at different periods in human history. Interesting stuff.

Yeah, that's why I asked. I like genetics and biology, even though my genes seem to be working against my goals. Lol!

nikkihk · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

jeardawg · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

She did post a link to her blog that did in fact clarify she went in to be seen by medical professionals...

nikkihk · January 2014

Wow. So from what I gather OP thinks XYZ are evil and believe's she lost 30 pounds by eliminating them from her world, a few MFPer's tried to dispel the magic trick from others performing it by suggesting that XYZ are not evil but provided a calorie deficit (which is backed by science not opinion)... then the opposition to science occurred. "It's not just deficit.. etc.." Which was politely responded to...

hmmm I eat these three "evil" foods regularly and maintain 11% body fat and have lost about 60 pounds total since I started..

OP - you are losing weight because you restricted three food groups and created a calorie deficit..

Which later was labeled as "douchey"? (still confused about that)

Then the argument of opinion and magic vs science and mathematics ensued. Some how sugar wasn't sugar, And food calories aren't just food calories....

I think that covers it?

What doesn't make sense to me is arguing science. It's fact vs. opinion, no one ever said OP can't practice whatever voodoo (no disrespect but that's what all of these formulas are to me) seems to work for her... but what the reality of weight loss is needs to be corrected to dispel the sales tactics and magic beans of fitness corporations that make money from books and pills that they claim is the answer to weight loss struggles. What we all post as advice affects the health of others who read it and ultimately try it... you could unknowingly cause nutrient loss, blood pressure issues, sickness, or other problems in an otherwise healthy person. Restriction of entire food groups has no scientific basis of health benefits or additional aid in proper sustainable weight loss. Only people with medically diagnosed intolerance or allergies to those groups should be practicing restrictions like this.

You don't need to take my word for it however, google... "Restricting food groups" or "fad diets" and you'll find dozens of sites with real medical research and studies (Not I lost 5 pounds last week not eating bread).

Just a few: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Weight_loss_and_fad_diets?open
http://www.eatright.org/Public/content.aspx?id=6851

Not a single person here correcting the myths are trying to hurt feelings, they are trying to help others not fall pray to this line of thinking because it's psychologically damaging and will sabotage your long term success. I know it's difficult to hear what you've been doing isn't the answer... and it's even more difficult to know that good old fashioned calorie control and exercise wins the day... especially when you've worn your metabolism down with only meat, cabbage soup, only fruits and veggies.. etc etc etc. You're body is probably more confused then the health industry. But I urge you, look up the truth for yourself.. then I hope in your proper research you decide to lose your weight the correct sustainable way.

I wish you luck OP and anyone else who wants to try the voodoo, if it becomes a long term solution for you? Then congratulations!! But if not? Please consider a better alternative.

lemme see, I weigh my food and I log my calories. I exercise and lose weight. hmmmm I eat bread and then I get sick... My doctor told me not to eat bread. Damn, that magician. I still weigh my food and exercise, lose even more weight!!! Its magic, its also science. I read the OPS blog, she got sick too. Imagine, must be magic. Just because something isn't consistent with your experience doesn't mean it isn't bunk. The op's post is a success story. I hope yours is filled with sugar and dairy and gluten and unicorns who **** rainbows.

have the common courtesy to congratulate someone who lost the weight they wanted, and seems to be keeping it off, someday maybe we can do the same for you.

toodles

In so many words everything you said has been said by previous posters, and people have attempted to clarify, you wanna be sarcastic why bother with being polite?

Let's see... another response that overly emotional and makes no sense.

You said:

1. "My doctor told me not to eat bread. Damn, that magician... etc etc etc.." (Unnecessarily sarcastic I might add)

I believe I wrote, "Only people with medically diagnosed intolerance or allergies to those groups should be practicing restrictions like this." So I fail to see the point in what you've written.

2. Just because something isn't consistent with your experience doesn't mean it isn't bunk.

This has nothing to do with my experience. It has everything to do with suggesting medically unhealthy tactics for weight loss... I don't know why you insist on making it about me? I was making it about being responsible with information we supply people with. And I was rather polite and factual while doing it.. I'm sorry I didn't crap rainbows for you to make the truth easier to hear.

3 ".have the common courtesy to congratulate someone who lost the weight they wanted, and seems to be keeping it off, someday maybe we can do the same for you"

I believe, "I wish you luck OP and anyone else who wants to try the voodoo, if it becomes a long term solution for you? Then congratulations!!" Was exactly that. Though you can no better read context in the written word then I? I sincerely wished her luck on her path and CONGRATULATIONS on what she has accomplished.. but yeah, you got me there.

4. "In so many words everything you said has been said by previous posters, and people have attempted to clarify, you wanna be sarcastic why bother with being polite?"

Nothing I was sarcastic or impolite. It was honest and quite serious, your response on the other hand? Quite the opposite. Why to rise above the behavior I apparently displayed.

Bye all. Luck in your journey's!

nikkihk · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

She did post a link to her blog that did in fact clarify she went in to be seen by medical professionals...

And? Her medical history has nothing to do with providing the public with tactics which could prove to be dangerous to people not facing those issues. And in my original post? I made sure to mention that the acceptation was people with medical requirements. You are debating me for no reason....

WhiteRabbit1313 · January 2014

I did some searching here, but can someone provide links to the lactose intolerance debunking thread? How long ago was it? I'm not finding it?

Leonidas_meets_Spartacus · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

What harmful stuff are you talking about? I don't see any problems with some one cutting out candy and processed sugar.

jeardawg · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

She did post a link to her blog that did in fact clarify she went in to be seen by medical professionals...

And? Her medical history has nothing to do with providing the public with tactics which could prove to be dangerous to people not facing those issues. And in my original post? I made sure to mention that the acceptation was people with medical requirements. You are debating me for no reason....

No providing her medical history was something that she did, and that you said she didn't, right here:

"Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful"

your words I think....

This is in the "success story" threads not the suggestion thread, so while she did challenge people to try her dietary restrictions, she wasn't really trying to sell anyone she just was stating how something worked for her after nothing else had...

I don't think anyone is going to get sucked in by a restrictive diet plan that disallows almost every type of food, and even if they did technology provides options for people who might miss some nutrient IE the modern vegan.

I would however love for you to show me, ( I will take a reputable secondary source) where it says that cutting out any of these three nutrients will harm you. Oddly my family physician suggested to me not to eat gluten and he is reputable it seems, has the MD behind his name and all..

every post you have made is full of sarcasm, so much so that I have kinda seemed to find it hard to maintain a pretext of politeness with you, maybe you are trying to be helpful but you come across as grating, so you might want to take a bit of a look at your people skills, or your internet voice.

ndj1979 · January 2014

Vodoo LOL. Way to judge people with out knowing their medical history. May be OP is insulin resistant, the people who develop insulin resistance do worse with sugars. There is no moderation involved there because of spike in blood sugar. Just because you read something on internet doesn't make you expert. What works for some may not work for other.

Your response to what I posted makes no sense. I didn't judge the OP even in the slightest, My entire post was about arguing with medical science, heck I even wished her well on her journey and offered congratulations for the success she did/will have.. so let's not be silly here. Also, OP mentioned nothing about any medical issues but suggested others engage in her activity which could be harmful... And I didn't just "read something on the internet"... Medical science doesn't change because it was in type or hand written. It's science not a fitness blog.

What harmful stuff are you talking about? I don't see any problems with some one cutting out candy and processed sugar.

I believe OP said she was cutting out ALL sugar and then labeled it "Evil"….that is where people took exception…The counter argument to that is you can eat all three of the food groups she labeled - evil - (I know I do) and you can lose weight and meet your healthy goals...

littlebutlean · January 2014

This is an interesting thread because let's face it, we *REALLY* don't know. We can all post published studies all day that are sponsored by grain and sugar companies but I've had a similar experience. I would call myself a professional dieter, I've tried almost everything. I enjoy dieting and trying out new methods for fun.

Once, I did a 4 (or 5 week?) diet. I literally pigged out on food, I ate as much as my little heart desired but cut all food with only 2 ingredients. Any sugar and any flour products and lost 8 lbs. This was actually when I was already fairly low weight. I didn't count calories, and I KNOW I over consumed. It was a 4 week (or 5 week) experiment and it was an interesting outcome.

I honestly believe that it's due to blood sugar levels. When insulin is up, leptin is down and if you're constantly spiking insulin, you're not burning fat.

eversosquidly · January 2014

I didn't give up gluten or dairy, but I don't usually eat them anyway. I think of my calories like money and prefer to spend them on things that will actually keep me feeling full. Like fruit and vegetables and especially protein. But I do understand the reasoning behind the sugar thing.

I gave up white refined sugar because it's a problem for me. I can't have one. I can't do it once a week. I would eat a box of popsicles and lie to my tracker and say I ate one. So instead of dealing with sugar, I cut it out of my diet. Today, I don't eat cheesecake or popsicles or any of the things I'd have eaten before. But I don't care if other people do! If you can eat ice cream every night and lose weight, more power to you! But there are some people that have trouble limiting themselves.

So yes, you can lose weight with restriction if you need to. I have. I've lost 57 pounds spread out since the end of May. With food control. Self-control. Water. Exercise.

Yes, it's about a calorie deficit. It always will be. But that caloric deficit can also be helped by not eating sugary things that lead to more sugary things! Whatever makes this journey easier for you, go for it! I have no regrets.

just to clarify …you eat zero sugar..?? No carbs, fruits, vegetables, etc?

I specified that I don't eat white refined sugar. Or added sugar. But I do eat fruit. I eat vegetables. But those both have fiber that white sugar does not. And my point was elaborated earlier upon as I explained that I don't eat sugar because of self-control. I mean, I don't feel like fighting with people on here, but everyone has to do what works for them.

Gluten. Dairy. Sugar.

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