So can we put this topic to bed now?
Tykk
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Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
The remaining question is, how much sugar is safe. And the answer is not at all clear.
"The U.S. Institute of Medicine recommends that people not consume more than 25 per cent of their daily calories in added sugars. The World Health Organization, for its part, sets the threshold at 10 per cent. But the American Heart Association recommends that women get no more than five per cent of their daily calories from sugar, and men not exceed 7.5 per cent."
The upper end of this range (25% of daily calories) is obviously a LOT of sugar. But the lower end of 5%-7.5% is really not that high at all.
And it's worth emphasizing that they are talking about added sugars - not about the sugar you naturally get in fruit, for example.
There have been a lot of heated arguments about the safety of sugar on these boards. It's getting to the point where the science is clear enough that most of us will want to watch our sugar in the same way as, say, we watch our intake of sodium or polyunsaturated fat.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
The remaining question is, how much sugar is safe. And the answer is not at all clear.
"The U.S. Institute of Medicine recommends that people not consume more than 25 per cent of their daily calories in added sugars. The World Health Organization, for its part, sets the threshold at 10 per cent. But the American Heart Association recommends that women get no more than five per cent of their daily calories from sugar, and men not exceed 7.5 per cent."
The upper end of this range (25% of daily calories) is obviously a LOT of sugar. But the lower end of 5%-7.5% is really not that high at all.
And it's worth emphasizing that they are talking about added sugars - not about the sugar you naturally get in fruit, for example.
There have been a lot of heated arguments about the safety of sugar on these boards. It's getting to the point where the science is clear enough that most of us will want to watch our sugar in the same way as, say, we watch our intake of sodium or polyunsaturated fat.
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even to play devils advocate is the sugar the problem or the food consumed WITH the sugar really the problem?
This is like the car in the back blaming everyone else for a traffic jam...0 -
I like milk and cookies when being put to bed. So if that TL;DR is saying suger is okay, then yes, let's go to bed now.0
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Uh no. Because there was no reference to the primary research. And a quick search of PubMed netted me zilch.0
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even to play devils advocate is the sugar the problem or the food consumed WITH the sugar really the problem?
This is like the car in the back blaming everyone else for a traffic jam...
Indeed. If there are folks sitting around spooning sacks of sugar into their mouths, I sure don't know about it.0 -
I wanna go to bed!
I couldnt sleep til 1135pm and 438am came real fast...0 -
Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
A hypothesis is a theory. What study proves everything this article is stating? I don't get it, I was expecting to see proof.0 -
Pretty sobering evidence on sugar
That's hilarious...That study is a correlation study, not a causation study, correlation studies are very weak, and no this matter is not put to bed. The fact that they specifically stated that added sugar is bad and "natural sugar" is good is laughable. Go ahead and create your own demonizing view of sugar and find some weak evidence supporting you, good work...0 -
Uh no. Because there was no reference to the primary research. And a quick search of PubMed netted me zilch.
This-I tried finding more info, but have come up with nothing so far?0 -
Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
A hypothesis is a theory. What study proves everything this article is stating? I don't get it, I was expecting to see proof.
I'm with you, when something starts with a hypothesis, i want to see data to the contrary or supporting, one way or the other. i don't mind if you put your take on it in the verbage but raw data for me to interpret is like gold. actually holy grail lately.0 -
That study is a correlation study, not a causation study, correlation studies are very weak, and no this matter is not put to bed. The fact that they specifically stated that added sugar is bad and "natural sugar" is good is laughable. Go ahead and create your own demonizing view of sugar and find some weak evidence supporting you, good work...
Gato? Is that you?
When will people remember that "added" sugar is sourced from a natural source? OMG. this makes my brain itch.0 -
Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
The remaining question is, how much sugar is safe. And the answer is not at all clear.
"The U.S. Institute of Medicine recommends that people not consume more than 25 per cent of their daily calories in added sugars. The World Health Organization, for its part, sets the threshold at 10 per cent. But the American Heart Association recommends that women get no more than five per cent of their daily calories from sugar, and men not exceed 7.5 per cent."
The upper end of this range (25% of daily calories) is obviously a LOT of sugar. But the lower end of 5%-7.5% is really not that high at all.
And it's worth emphasizing that they are talking about added sugars - not about the sugar you naturally get in fruit, for example.
There have been a lot of heated arguments about the safety of sugar on these boards. It's getting to the point where the science is clear enough that most of us will want to watch our sugar in the same way as, say, we watch our intake of sodium or polyunsaturated fat.
Well, at least we agree on the bolded. I think watching my sugar is exactly as important as watching sodium and polyunsaturated fat- that is to say, not at all important. Because science.0 -
In for the baseless article being provided as "proof".0
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If we are talking strictly "added sugar" (in coffee, pie, cookies, sauces....) I think the max 10% of your intake is reasonable. If it means all sugar(in milk, fruit...) I think it is excessively restrictive.0
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Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
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Was the studies made on people who do exercise or not? Cos some studies has shown that all the sugar caused risks are eliminated or dramatically reduced if you exercise. Also what was eating habits of those people in first place? More likely that person who drinks one sweetened drink in a week will be generally eating more healthy than person who drinks one drink a day. It's not about drinks, it's about total sugar consumed.
Show me the links to studies and references where I can go to look up research conditions (article provides none). Otherwise it just seems like another speculation article to me.
Author is writing article about his personal opinion and is cherry picking data without giving any references. So am I supposed to just believe that there even was such study in first place? And if there was conditions are very important, not just conclusions - conditions are what makes conclusions.
One site wrote that sugar make u sick. So what? Many sites write that it doesn't. Numbers and data of studies please otherwise I call this BS.0 -
I guess I will have to use sugar free whipped cream when putting men to bed....0
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In for the denial.:happy:
There have been a lot of heated arguments about the safety of sugar on these boards. It's getting to the point where the science is clear enough that most of us will want to watch our sugar in the same way as, say, we watch our intake of sodium or polyunsaturated fat.0 -
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
Check out that work in bold. :noway:
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Drat - should have read the replies first. Oh well - can't be overstated enough.0 -
Sounds like the research could be mildly interesting, but I can't find it on PubMed or my university library's ediscover. Unpublished, maybe?0
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Modus omnibus in rebus, soror, optimum est habitu;
Nimia omnia nimium exhibent negotium hominibus ex se.
In everything the middle course is best: all things in excess bring trouble to men.
~Plautus, Pænulus, I. 2. 29.
Good advice for 200BC, still good advice...0 -
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Hypothesis_vs_TheoryPretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
A hypothesis is a theory. What study proves everything this article is stating? I don't get it, I was expecting to see proof.0 -
another article from The Globe and Mail:
"Sugar is the New Tobacco"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health-advisor/sugar-is-the-new-tobacco-heres-why/article16571374/
A quote from this gem:
"Knowing that there are now more obese people in the world than there are starving must motivate some change. The apple cart is well and truly upset: A predictive study published in 2008 by Harvard and MIT researchers suggests that, if we continue the current numbers trend in North America, it is believed that 100 per cent of the population will be overweight or obese by 2050."
"it is believed?" yeah, that's solid right there.0 -
Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...0 -
Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?
Now I'm going to bed.0 -
Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?
Now I'm going to bed.
hey now... is that directed at me?? :laugh:0 -
Umm, wut? They stated the author, the journal and the date of publication. But if that's not enough for you, here is the link:Uh no. Because there was no reference to the primary research. And a quick search of PubMed netted me zilch.
https://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=18195730 -
Your wait won't be long.Let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over this.
2000 cals * 1/4 = 500 cals of ADDED sugar.
500 cals /4 cal/gram = 125 grams.
125 grams of sugar = 1/2 cup of sugar, or around 24 teaspoons!
That's a lot... Just saying... Cant' see how anybody can say that's a good thing...0 -
Pretty sobering evidence on sugar is now in:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/sugar-damages-the-bodys-organs-directly-new-findings-suggest/article16664804
“The new paradigm hypothesizes that sugar has adverse health effects above any purported role as ‘empty calories’ promoting obesity,” Laura Schmidt, a researcher at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California San Francisco writes in the journal. “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
The remaining question is, how much sugar is safe. And the answer is not at all clear.
"The U.S. Institute of Medicine recommends that people not consume more than 25 per cent of their daily calories in added sugars. The World Health Organization, for its part, sets the threshold at 10 per cent. But the American Heart Association recommends that women get no more than five per cent of their daily calories from sugar, and men not exceed 7.5 per cent."
The upper end of this range (25% of daily calories) is obviously a LOT of sugar. But the lower end of 5%-7.5% is really not that high at all.
And it's worth emphasizing that they are talking about added sugars - not about the sugar you naturally get in fruit, for example.
There have been a lot of heated arguments about the safety of sugar on these boards. It's getting to the point where the science is clear enough that most of us will want to watch our sugar in the same way as, say, we watch our intake of sodium or polyunsaturated fat.
Well, at least we agree on the bolded. I think watching my sugar is exactly as important as watching sodium and polyunsaturated fat- that is to say, not at all important. Because science.
^this
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Why does everyone who posts these articles believe that correlation equals causation?
Now I'm going to bed.
hey now... is that directed at me?? :laugh:
Not at all... I just wanted to work those murderous sugar doughnuts into the thread.
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