So can we put this topic to bed now?
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Quoted researcher: “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
OP: In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
NO. OP, please do not ever attempt to work as a science writer. The quote by the researcher clearly says "TOO MUCH SUGAR." Even water, consumed in sufficient quantity, will kill you.
Do most people consume an excessive amount of refined sugar (for values of "excessive" within 3sds of MFP forum norm)? Sure. And it's a great place to start cutting calories, when one takes a look at one's food log.
However, the idea of sugar being evil - even if it is refined, well-heeled, snooty white cane sugar...that's just silly. It would be nice if we could solve all obesity and health issues by canonizing some ingredients and demonizing others, but it just doesn't work that way.
"There is no secret ingredient" -Po
ETA: correcting "you" to "one" for clarity - not personal
Read the article and abstract. The researchers define "too much sugar" and literally say that it "damages the organs directly." At least that's the hypothesis.
Researchers have a tendency to vastly overreach from their findings. There's a reason most quotes like this come from press releases or news articles about a study rather than the study itself. That sort of thing doesn't generally get past the peer review process. Sometimes it does. I don't have access to the original study so it's hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. The AMA is fully on board with sugar demonization these days.
The authors of the study didn't write that line (or at least its not in the abstract). The 'too much sugar makes us sick" came from the commentary that the journal put out. Sensational press releases: the bane of scientists everywhere.0 -
Quoted researcher: “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
OP: In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
NO. OP, please do not ever attempt to work as a science writer. The quote by the researcher clearly says "TOO MUCH SUGAR." Even water, consumed in sufficient quantity, will kill you.
Do most people consume an excessive amount of refined sugar (for values of "excessive" within 3sds of MFP forum norm)? Sure. And it's a great place to start cutting calories, when one takes a look at one's food log.
However, the idea of sugar being evil - even if it is refined, well-heeled, snooty white cane sugar...that's just silly. It would be nice if we could solve all obesity and health issues by canonizing some ingredients and demonizing others, but it just doesn't work that way.
"There is no secret ingredient" -Po
ETA: correcting "you" to "one" for clarity - not personal
Read the article and abstract. The researchers define "too much sugar" and literally say that it "damages the organs directly." At least that's the hypothesis.
Researchers have a tendency to vastly overreach from their findings. There's a reason most quotes like this come from press releases or news articles about a study rather than the study itself. That sort of thing doesn't generally get past the peer review process. Sometimes it does. I don't have access to the original study so it's hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. The AMA is fully on board with sugar demonization these days.
The authors of the study didn't write that line (or at least its not in the abstract). The 'too much sugar makes us sick" came from the commentary that the journal put out. Sensational press releases: the bane of scientists everywhere.
Ah fair point. I misremembered who said what.0 -
Quoted researcher: “Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick.”
OP: In plain English, sugar is not just bad because it has a lot of calories, it is bad because it "damages the body’s organs directly".
NO. OP, please do not ever attempt to work as a science writer. The quote by the researcher clearly says "TOO MUCH SUGAR." Even water, consumed in sufficient quantity, will kill you.
Do most people consume an excessive amount of refined sugar (for values of "excessive" within 3sds of MFP forum norm)? Sure. And it's a great place to start cutting calories, when one takes a look at one's food log.
However, the idea of sugar being evil - even if it is refined, well-heeled, snooty white cane sugar...that's just silly. It would be nice if we could solve all obesity and health issues by canonizing some ingredients and demonizing others, but it just doesn't work that way.
"There is no secret ingredient" -Po
ETA: correcting "you" to "one" for clarity - not personal
Read the article and abstract. The researchers define "too much sugar" and literally say that it "damages the organs directly." At least that's the hypothesis.
Researchers have a tendency to vastly overreach from their findings. There's a reason most quotes like this come from press releases or news articles about a study rather than the study itself. That sort of thing doesn't generally get past the peer review process. Sometimes it does. I don't have access to the original study so it's hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. The AMA is fully on board with sugar demonization these days.
The authors of the study didn't write that line (or at least its not in the abstract). The 'too much sugar makes us sick" came from the commentary that the journal put out. Sensational press releases: the bane of scientists everywhere.
^this.
I did a study that got published and the ads that referenced the study all made it sound so different than it actually was.0 -
even to play devils advocate is the sugar the problem or the food consumed WITH the sugar really the problem?
This is like the car in the back blaming everyone else for a traffic jam...
Indeed. If there are folks sitting around spooning sacks of sugar into their mouths, I sure don't know about it.
They may not be spooning it in, but people sure love drinking sugar filled water.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21423499
http://garethsworld.com/food/juice-juice/0 -
tagging to read after I eat my Breyers ice cream0
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"TOPIC: So can we put this topic to bed now?"
Yeah, because that was your intent for posting this. ....Right....
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To the OP: Put this topic to bed..."TOPIC: So can we put this topic to bed now?"
Yeah, because that was your intent for posting this. ....Right....
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QFT - and rather frustrating if you happen to be a fan of science (or participant)Read the article and abstract. The researchers define "too much sugar" and literally say that it "damages the organs directly." At least that's the hypothesis.
Researchers have a tendency to vastly overreach from their findings. There's a reason most quotes like this come from press releases or news articles about a study rather than the study itself. That sort of thing doesn't generally get past the peer review process. Sometimes it does. I don't have access to the original study so it's hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. The AMA is fully on board with sugar demonization these days.The authors of the study didn't write that line (or at least its not in the abstract). The 'too much sugar makes us sick" came from the commentary that the journal put out. Sensational press releases: the bane of scientists everywhere.^this.
I did a study that got published and the ads that referenced the study all made it sound so different than it actually was.
Also, while the study does define "too much" in 2 categories of excess...it shows there's currently a downward trend of people eating sugar in the most excessive/most harmful amounts (25% or more).
AND the quoted non-author subject matter expert was incompletely quoted, as well (also sadly typical). Quite a bit less provocative in context:
"“Too much sugar can make you fat; it can also make you sick, sick from diseases like cardiovascular disease, which is the No. 1 killer in America,” said Laura Schmidt, a school of medicine professor at the University of California at San Francisco, in a telephone interview.
“Small amounts of sugar are fine. It’s consuming massive amounts of sugar that’s a growing problem in America.”"0 -
See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.
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I've been manipulated!
You get so serious when arguing for the value of "empty" calories.
I'm arguing against demonizing particular nutrients. Carbs are bad! Fat is bad! Protein is bad! Sugar is bad! Salt is bad! No.... they're not bad.
Besides, I'm always serious.
Food! Is! Addictive!!!0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)0
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My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this0 -
In. Before a mod puts this to bed.0
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My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
Sounds like you've set your daughter up with an extremely balanced, healthy approach to food.0 -
Anecdotal article, but an interesting read none the less.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/twin-doctors-experiment-low-fat-low-sugar-diets-article-1.1597066
My interpretation: calorie deficit and everything in moderation0 -
See. All the info proving the point I was trying to make. None of the work.
:laugh:
I've been manipulated!
You get so serious when arguing for the value of "empty" calories.
I'm arguing against demonizing particular nutrients. Carbs are bad! Fat is bad! Protein is bad! Sugar is bad! Salt is bad! No.... they're not bad.
Besides, I'm always serious.
Food! Is! Addictive!!!
No kidding. I can't stop eating it. It's like I need it every day.0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.
Egads.
What's your position on honey?
Or fruit?
Or rice?0 -
And then there is this... Did you know that cancer cells love sugar? It's true.
http://normaleating.com/blog/2012/05/sugar-is-toxic-causes-heart-disease-cancer-more/0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.
Because there is nothing I could say that won't bring down the rage of the mods upon me0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.
What specific FDA approvals would it fail?0 -
And then there is this... Did you know that cancer cells love sugar? It's true.
http://normaleating.com/blog/2012/05/sugar-is-toxic-causes-heart-disease-cancer-more/
Imagine that.. fast-growing cells love sources of energy.
They also love complete proteins too. Amazing.0 -
I home cooked using honey. It's much better for you than white sugar or even brown sugar. But I also cut the sugar in 1/2 of what the recipe called for. Didn't use it very often either. Only on special occasions. Never missed it either.0
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And then there is this... Did you know that cancer cells love sugar? It's true.
http://normaleating.com/blog/2012/05/sugar-is-toxic-causes-heart-disease-cancer-more/
Duh! All of our cells love sugar (glucose). It's what they run on. Even the ones who get their programming messed up (cancer cells).0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
so... you deliberately set your child up with a bad relationship with food, and you think that's a win?0 -
I home cooked using honey. It's much better for you than white sugar or even brown sugar. But I also cut the sugar in 1/2 of what the recipe called for. Didn't use it very often either. Only on special occasions. Never missed it either.
Honey - honey is made of sugar. Didn't the bees tell you?0 -
What specific FDA approvals would it fail?
I think it's clear she knows literally nothing about the FDA approval process.0 -
Sugar does not rot your teeth.My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. The teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)0 -
My daughter did not even taste sugar until she started kindergarten. He teacher called me one day and said, I think you better lighten up on the sugar scare. One of my daughter's classmates had a birthday and brought in cupcakes. I had told my daughter that sugar would rot your teeth. Well, it will. My daughter wouldn't eat the cupcakes. To this day, she is a size 2 and never a weight problem. :-)
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I can't even start with this
Because.....? If sugar was just found today and had to go through all the FDA approvals, it would fail. It is very bad for all of us.
What specific FDA approvals would it fail?
What ever tests a product has to go through to be approved for human consumption. Not a safe product.0 -
What ever tests a product has to go through to be approved for human consumption. Not a safe product.
Sounds like you're well-versed in food safety law and FDA approval procedures.0
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