Steroids and Dating and Attraction

LOL, girl. I am not saying that, but it is funny how much different is this forum from reality. In my experience girls are A LOT more afraid of reactions from other people than man in AVERAGE. Man, when they see hot chick they will say "wow, what a hot chick", on the other hand girls (in my experience) will say like "ah muscles are gross", I am not that shallow or s*h*i*t like that. I am just writing that you should never look what somebody says, rather what somebody does. It applies to man and women. No, feminists are no different ( have been on their forums, talk with couple of them..) and when we are talking in private they say they would jump on like Christiano Ronaldo, David Beckham... even if they say in public that only thing they care is "brain" of a guy, how good he is and to them Ronaldo is gross. Sexual attraction is normal and there is nothing to be ashamed of. It would be same like if see some pretty chick and I am sexually attracted to her ( even if I do not know her in person) and say hurr durr she has bad character... I am talking now only on subject of sexual attraction and no, to be with somebody in relationship other person has the offer more than that. I am just you might say pissed of on this kind of forums were guys get the wrong picture. Guys, girls like good looking guys too, no matter what they say. Look at their actions.

Thanks for explaining - I see what you are trying to say now I also agree with looking at what people do, not what they say. But I have been in a situation where I had the choice of dating a couple of different guys - one was ripped and super hot (and really nice), the other was not ripped in the slightest (actually a little pudgy), but he made me laugh and had a nice smile So I never dated the ripped guy...

I also don't understand 'us' and 'them' when talking about feminists. Surely most people are feminists - and I'm not talking about the Fox News definition :drinker: Feminists are just people who want gender equality. Most of my male friends are feminists, and recognise it.

QUESTION FOR THE WOMEN: Would you ever date/marry a man who has used/uses steroids or prohormones? Would you be able to respect them? Because after the first impressions of physical attraction, a conscious effort has to be made to overcome that, once knowing he shoots himself in the butt with steroids lol. Would that be morally a dealbreaker for you? Granted, this may be a morality issue, as I'm sure lots of people here use recreational drugs and whatnot and steroids can be arguably defended as safer than prescription pill poppers looking to get high.

I was married to a man doing steroids. (Started 18.5 years into a 19 year marriage). He's jacked to the max, holds titles in powerlifiting, and looks phenomenal. He's still someone I'm attracted to on a physical level. But steroids changed him so much. He went from a very nice guy, to a guy who flies off the handle. From an awesome dad, to one who doesn't bother with his kids. From a good husband, to one who cheats. And one who has rage hit. That's not someone to be with. Ever, ever again.

Morally, I don't care. It's the Jeckyll/Hyde effect I will never deal with.

QUESTION FOR THE WOMEN: Would you ever date/marry a man who has used/uses steroids or prohormones? Would you be able to respect them? Because after the first impressions of physical attraction, a conscious effort has to be made to overcome that, once knowing he shoots himself in the butt with steroids lol. Would that be morally a dealbreaker for you? Granted, this may be a morality issue, as I'm sure lots of people here use recreational drugs and whatnot and steroids can be arguably defended as safer than prescription pill poppers looking to get high.

I was married to a man doing steroids. (Started 18.5 years into a 19 year marriage). He's jacked to the max, holds titles in powerlifiting, and looks phenomenal. He's still someone I'm attracted to on a physical level. But steroids changed him so much. He went from a very nice guy, to a guy who flies off the handle. From an awesome dad, to one who doesn't bother with his kids. From a good husband, to one who cheats. And one who has rage hit. That's not someone to be with. Ever, ever again.

Morally, I don't care. It's the Jeckyll/Hyde effect I will never deal with.

Correlation does not equal causation.

6 months of steroids did not do this to your husband. Easy to blame steroids though. But 6 months (6 months! that's one cycle) did not do it. There is no science and very very little trustworthy anecdotal evidence to even support such a claim. Maybe he began using because something else was up? That is usually the case in these examples.

This thread is is a great teaching lesson in statistics and research. Science and first hand anecdotal evidence is a LOT more valid than secondhand reports. I think most of the husbands and exes in this thread, the ones who actually used, would give a very different reason

These misconceptions are exactly why steroids were banned in the US to begin with. Football player families blaming steroids for brain problems and suicides despite scientific evidence to the contrary. Parents blaming steroids for their high school son's suicide...despite said high schooler suffering from depression years before and dabbling with rec drugs.

It took decades for men to finally be able to get clinical treatment for low testosterone legally (until a few years ago, it was very very difficult). Because of misconceptions and horribly wrong second hand accounts.

We have a nation were every woman can easily get hormonal birth control. Little girls can get it in some states with no parental consent. The female power groups won that battle and then some. And yet, 50 year old men can barely get their hormone levels brought to normal levels legally because of all the 'evils' of testosterone. This ridiculous ANTI SCIENCE has worsened the lives of hundreds of thousands, if not, millions of men. Until recently, HRT drugs couldn't even air commercials. It's taken decades for the stigma of steroid use to be broken down enough to get a scientific discourse started again.

I have no idea if I would date a guy that uses steroids, I haven't so far. However I have been looking at documentaries and researching re steroid use in people and it really surprised me that so many people do it. There are too many side affects that have serious repercussions that I personally would never take it, who wants to become more masculine or seeing guys growing boobs?!?

What I think needs to be doneto prevent steroid use is to drug test all those body building/bikini body competitions. They promote steroid use (un)intentionally. How is a clean person supposed to compete with someone that has been using steroids??? Makes it unrealistic. Also the prize money is a lot higher in the non tested comps. Doesn't seem fair. Alot of people now use steroids so they can win because they can't afford to go to the gym and work.

The other side of the coin is that I spoke to a friend and asked him if he used. He said no but he knew a few folk that did and they did it safely with really good results.

Personally I wouldn't use steroids and I think its cheating. Why find a quick fix that isn't guaranteed to work and I am proud of what I have done so far and done so honestly.

Also women don't date men for muscles. Frankly how many of the guys that spend all their evenings in the gym actually have girlfriends? Besides I rock climb and run, having too much muscle is not good to do either well. Toned, light and stamina is the key for a good physique. Bulking out is limiting in many sports, huge guys make me think of bulls being bred for the slaughter...

lol yeah. so much wrong here it's impossible to even address it all.

First, hate to crush your insecurities....but those men spending their evenings in the gym DO have partners or they can easily get more action than they desire. They just, *gasp* ...like working out. But hey, it's ok to bash those men because they have passion for their chosen hobby and their bodies reflect it.

You say a lot of people use steroids because they can't afford going to the gym and doing work. Can you please show me ONE man who uses and gets results and does not go to the gym? please, just one man. Surely you have an example, because you stated it as fact. I'll wait, the medical community would love to see your incredible specimen who grows muscle without work and just takes steroids.

Or do you mean they literally can't afford the gym costs so they take steroids to compensate? I hope not, since a few months of steroids would easily cost more than their annual gym membership.

Growing boobs. Lol... This is like the top reason given by the clueless masses. As soon as someone says it, all credibility flies out the window. $30 worth of an aromatase inhibitor, legal to purchase, reduces the chance of this to almost zero. There is a bigger chance of growing manboobs in men who just dont workout as opposed to the tiny few users who for whatever reason neglect to take precautions.

Why do people state things as fact when it's evident they've NEVER done 5 minutes of research into the topic? It's insulting to rational humans.

No, I wouldn't date a man who took steroids or hormones for non-medical reasons. And medical reasons do not include wishing to increase physical size for vanity/appearance. I'm not that into people who are totally obsessed with appearance/performance in the weight room. My husband is my size... we have the same weight and height. I'm actually not attracted to bulky/super-ripped guys personally. There are plenty of women out there who are so I am sure someone would be ok with it. Just not me.

Contrary to popular belief, from discussions with my young female friends it seems to me that men who are overly muscular are massively unattractive.

Similar to the way many guys don't find stick thin models attractive.

Don't get me wrong, guys who are well defined because they look after themselves and have a low body fat percentage look gorgeous ( e.g Alexander Skarsgard is actually perfection) - but those who are obsessed enough with bodybuilding to actually take steroids etc are the polar opposite to me. I'd much rather date a guy who is a little chubby than one that is too muscly.

Contrary to popular belief, from discussions with my young female friends it seems to me that men who are overly muscular are massively unattractive.

Similar to the way many guys don't find stick thin models attractive.

Don't get me wrong, guys who are well defined because they look after themselves and have a low body fat percentage look gorgeous ( e.g Alexander Skarsgard is actually perfection) - but those who are obsessed enough with bodybuilding to actually take steroids etc are the polar opposite to me. I'd much rather date a guy who is a little chubby than one that is too muscly.

While I think its definitely your right to choose who you go out with of course, I just want to point out that the vast majority of steroid users don't look like Mr Olympia. Many of them would probably actually fit into your ideal look like they look after themselves type actually

Hadn't realised. Still, an interesting topic.

QUESTION FOR THE WOMEN: Would you ever date/marry a man who has used/uses steroids or prohormones? Would you be able to respect them? Because after the first impressions of physical attraction, a conscious effort has to be made to overcome that, once knowing he shoots himself in the butt with steroids lol. Would that be morally a dealbreaker for you? Granted, this may be a morality issue, as I'm sure lots of people here use recreational drugs and whatnot and steroids can be arguably defended as safer than prescription pill poppers looking to get high.

I was married to a man doing steroids. (Started 18.5 years into a 19 year marriage). He's jacked to the max, holds titles in powerlifiting, and looks phenomenal. He's still someone I'm attracted to on a physical level. But steroids changed him so much. He went from a very nice guy, to a guy who flies off the handle. From an awesome dad, to one who doesn't bother with his kids. From a good husband, to one who cheats. And one who has rage hit. That's not someone to be with. Ever, ever again.

Morally, I don't care. It's the Jeckyll/Hyde effect I will never deal with.

Correlation does not equal causation.

6 months of steroids did not do this to your husband. Easy to blame steroids though. But 6 months (6 months! that's one cycle) did not do it. There is no science and very very little trustworthy anecdotal evidence to even support such a claim. Maybe he began using because something else was up? That is usually the case in these examples.

This thread is is a great teaching lesson in statistics and research. Science and first hand anecdotal evidence is a LOT more valid than secondhand reports. I think most of the husbands and exes in this thread, the ones who actually used, would give a very different reason

These misconceptions are exactly why steroids were banned in the US to begin with. Football player families blaming steroids for brain problems and suicides despite scientific evidence to the contrary. Parents blaming steroids for their high school son's suicide...despite said high schooler suffering from depression years before and dabbling with rec drugs.

It took decades for men to finally be able to get clinical treatment for low testosterone legally (until a few years ago, it was very very difficult). Because of misconceptions and horribly wrong second hand accounts.

We have a nation were every woman can easily get hormonal birth control. Little girls can get it in some states with no parental consent. The female power groups won that battle and then some. And yet, 50 year old men can barely get their hormone levels brought to normal levels legally because of all the 'evils' of testosterone. This ridiculous ANTI SCIENCE has worsened the lives of hundreds of thousands, if not, millions of men. Until recently, HRT drugs couldn't even air commercials. It's taken decades for the stigma of steroid use to be broken down enough to get a scientific discourse started again.

Eh, you sounds like the Bigger, Stronger, Faster documentary. Say what you want, I know as soon as my ex is starting a cycle. He's a completely different person.

I'll never say steroids is a shortcut, or that he doesn't work incredibly hard, or that he doesn't look fantastic. I agree that there is a lot of medical necessity for various hormones. I also can fully admit that aesthetically, I prefer it. But when he's on, he's not the person I fell in love with. And after 20 years, it's incredibly easy to spot the difference.

I'll also say that I know quite a few people on. I know a lot of powerlifters and bodybuilders. I know they're on, because we've talked about it, but I haven't see a difference in their personalities/demeanor. I also haven't lived and shared my life with any of them. I know steroids don't effect some people. And I feel like it's a personal choice to use them or not, and like I first stated, I don't have a moral issue.

But the question was, as a woman, would I date/marry someone using. And I have to say no, never again, based on my experience.

QUESTION FOR THE WOMEN: Would you ever date/marry a man who has used/uses steroids or prohormones? Would you be able to respect them? Because after the first impressions of physical attraction, a conscious effort has to be made to overcome that, once knowing he shoots himself in the butt with steroids lol. Would that be morally a dealbreaker for you? Granted, this may be a morality issue, as I'm sure lots of people here use recreational drugs and whatnot and steroids can be arguably defended as safer than prescription pill poppers looking to get high.

No. I wouldn't date or marry a man on anabolic steroids or prohormones. It's not a moral issue. I have just had to put up with enough *kitten* from people in my life who use drugs "recreationally" and whether or not they are safe has little to do with it. I know that steroids only amplify personality traits, but those I've known who took them were already *kitten* so they just became bigger *kitten*.

Past use isn't an issue really, although the level of vanity it involves is a little off-putting.

And I'm not attracted to men for their muscles. I want a man (or woman) with whom I feel an emotional and psychological connection and I'm thankful that I have that with my husband. I've dated fat, thin, short, tall and everything in between.