A Calorie is NOT just a Calorie
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But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
Personally, I don't like my science veering off in any direction. I don't really consider it science if it veers off.0 -
You can amend your profile all you want, but you admit you are not fit, you say you have 50 lbs to lose, you are new to MFP, you are following a fad diet, and you are telling all of the actually successful people they are wrong and unhealthy.
It's not looking good for you.
Conclusion.
Entrance to the Inner Circle/Roving Wolfpack/Shadowy Forum Bully Club/Thug Life Party is denied.
That's a very insensitive comment. You are basing this on where I want to be. You don't know where I started from.
And MFP is supposed to be a supportive site (shame on you).
He's basing it off what your own profile says.
39 - Active, but not fit.
I have been very active, but out of shape for the last 10 years
And that you stated in here you eat primal.
Yes but I have already lost a 32lb eating primal. I'm on a journey! just because I am not there yet doesn't make me any less of a person.
As I have just joined up I don't have the ability of posting my previous achievements.
Glad it is working for you ....
Let me just clarify that "primal" is not the reason you are losing, it is the calorie deficit that you create that is causing the loss..if you over ate on primal, you would gain weight...
Yes you are correct - nobody is disputing that fact (the article you all hate so much is not disputing that fact).
Mores the point the reason I am losing weight is because I am eating about 100g of carbs a day and mainly protein (plus chocolate and wine).
I am regulating my insulin levels and burning keytones when active under 75% energy rate. When I am lifting weights, sprinting or HIIT I am then burning the glucose.
The reason I am not putting on weight is because I am not consuming more glucose than I can either burn or store in my muscles or liver.
Yes the article had a few fuzzy points but it was mainly scientifically accurate.
You are losing weight because you are not consuming more carbs than you can either burn or store. If you are training hard then once your body runs out of glucose to burning it is switching to keytones (which is converted body fat).
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying your diet does not work, clearly it does. I would question some of the members who CLAIM they are eating mainly junk (to be fair as this thread has gone on most people have stated they eat a balanced diet).
My original post was in support (in the main of the article).
As many paleo/primal zealots, you are hung up on carbs. When overeating, fat will make you fatter than those evil carbs.
Low carb has nothing to do with your weight loss either, if you were to hold protein and cals constant, you could lose just the same eating many more carbs
Please explain how fat makes you fatter? (not including trans fat they are evil).
Look forward to your explanation
Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??0 -
You lose weight because you are burning or storing as glucose or glycogen the calories you are consuming. Yes because you are on a calorie deficit this happens.
But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
In all seriousness, you don't know "the science behind" this stuff. At all. I have no idea where you got your information, but I think it's clear that it was some diet book (as opposed to a human physiology textbook, primary research on metablism, etc). You are saying things that make no sense and you clearly lack the science background or fundamental knowledge to understand what the things you say even mean.
The fact that you kept talking about "keytones" says pretty much everything.0 -
We're still talking about the same article, right? The one that in the end claimed that overeating is caused by being obese instead of the other way around?
Yes you are correct - nobody is disputing that fact (the article you all hate so much is not disputing that fact).
Mores the point the reason I am losing weight is because I am eating about 100g of carbs a day and mainly protein (plus chocolate and wine).
I am regulating my insulin levels and burning keytones when active under 75% energy rate. When I am lifting weights, sprinting or HIIT I am then burning the glucose.
The reason I am not putting on weight is because I am not consuming more glucose than I can either burn or store in my muscles or liver.
Yes the article had a few fuzzy points but it was mainly scientifically accurate.
You are losing weight because you are not consuming more carbs than you can either burn or store. If you are training hard then once your body runs out of glucose to burning it is switching to keytones (which is converted body fat).
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying your diet does not work, clearly it does. I would question some of the members who CLAIM they are eating mainly junk (to be fair as this thread has gone on most people have stated they eat a balanced diet).
My original post was in support (in the main of the article).
NO we are losing weight because we eat at a calorie deficet, a lot of us watch our macros to ensure nutrition needs are met and that's all she wrote...
For health some of us even exercise...or do fun things like play tennis and/or lift weights...
I don't think anyone has claimed they eat mostly junk...we eat what we want when we want as long as it fits in our caloric goals and we meet our macros...I will eat Dairy Queen one night and have BK the next day and chocolate or toaster strudel everynight if I have the space left...
There is no junk or bad food...take a look at our diaries...they are mostly all open because we don't care what people say about them because we know it works...
You lose weight because you are burning or storing as glucose or glycogen the calories you are consuming. Yes because you are on a calorie deficit this happens.
But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).0 -
This thread = EPIC
FIFY. :flowerforyou:
Teach me oh great one!! LOL :blushing:
[ img ] before the gif http you want to post and then this one after ---> [ / img] (no spaces)0 -
I haven't read through the entire thread yet but that's a GREAT article and explains a lot. Thank you for sharing it.0
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But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
Personally, I don't like my science veering off in any direction. I don't really consider it science if it veers off.
The calorie deficit (glucose burning) science doesn't veer off.
Hey, sorry if the facts don't fit your beliefs.0 -
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
The Keytones are a band.0 -
NO we are losing weight because we eat at a calorie deficet, a lot of us watch our macros to ensure nutrition needs are met and that's all she wrote...
For health some of us even exercise...or do fun things like play tennis and/or lift weights...
I don't think anyone has claimed they eat mostly junk...we eat what we want when we want as long as it fits in our caloric goals and we meet our macros...I will eat Dairy Queen one night and have BK the next day and chocolate or toaster strudel everynight if I have the space left...
There is no junk or bad food...take a look at our diaries...they are mostly all open because we don't care what people say about them because we know it works...
Have you tried the new cinnamon roll strudel? I'm looking for an honest assessment of how delicious it is or is not.
NOOOOO AMG I must look for it...but if it's cinnomon roll and maybe even cinibon...has to be good...
I am gonna look for it ...I will definately let all know...
http://www.tammileetips.com/2013/03/crock-pot-monkey-bread/
I like to drizzle some local honey over the top once it's cooked. OM NOM NOM0 -
If you eat too many calories is how. Which can happen if you don't eat carbs, or only eat carbs, eat mcdonalds every day, eat homecooked, organic food every day, it doesn't matter. You eat more calories than your body needs and you gain weight.You can amend your profile all you want, but you admit you are not fit, you say you have 50 lbs to lose, you are new to MFP, you are following a fad diet, and you are telling all of the actually successful people they are wrong and unhealthy.
It's not looking good for you.
Conclusion.
Entrance to the Inner Circle/Roving Wolfpack/Shadowy Forum Bully Club/Thug Life Party is denied.
That's a very insensitive comment. You are basing this on where I want to be. You don't know where I started from.
And MFP is supposed to be a supportive site (shame on you).
He's basing it off what your own profile says.
39 - Active, but not fit.
I have been very active, but out of shape for the last 10 years
And that you stated in here you eat primal.
Yes but I have already lost a 32lb eating primal. I'm on a journey! just because I am not there yet doesn't make me any less of a person.
As I have just joined up I don't have the ability of posting my previous achievements.
Glad it is working for you ....
Let me just clarify that "primal" is not the reason you are losing, it is the calorie deficit that you create that is causing the loss..if you over ate on primal, you would gain weight...
Yes you are correct - nobody is disputing that fact (the article you all hate so much is not disputing that fact).
Mores the point the reason I am losing weight is because I am eating about 100g of carbs a day and mainly protein (plus chocolate and wine).
I am regulating my insulin levels and burning keytones when active under 75% energy rate. When I am lifting weights, sprinting or HIIT I am then burning the glucose.
The reason I am not putting on weight is because I am not consuming more glucose than I can either burn or store in my muscles or liver.
Yes the article had a few fuzzy points but it was mainly scientifically accurate.
You are losing weight because you are not consuming more carbs than you can either burn or store. If you are training hard then once your body runs out of glucose to burning it is switching to keytones (which is converted body fat).
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying your diet does not work, clearly it does. I would question some of the members who CLAIM they are eating mainly junk (to be fair as this thread has gone on most people have stated they eat a balanced diet).
My original post was in support (in the main of the article).
As many paleo/primal zealots, you are hung up on carbs. When overeating, fat will make you fatter than those evil carbs.
Low carb has nothing to do with your weight loss either, if you were to hold protein and cals constant, you could lose just the same eating many more carbs
Please explain how fat makes you fatter? (not including trans fat they are evil).
Look forward to your explanation
Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??0 -
Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
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Because science.
If you give your body more fuel than it needs, be it fat, carbs, protein, etc, it will store it as fat, and you will gain weight. If you don't give it enough fuel, it will burn its own fat stores for fuel, and you will gain weight.
Pretty darned simple, isn't it?0 -
I haven't read through the entire thread yet but that's a GREAT article and explains a lot. Thank you for sharing it.
Don't join the thread at this stage and back the article, I was doing quite well as a lone wolf thank you!!!
Glad you liked the article.0 -
A calorie is just a calorie. However, certain macros affect people differently so it is all about what works for that particular person. For example, I hold water and I am extremely sensitive to sodium so I watch that. It just so happens that most things processed have a ton of salt, carbs, etc.
Bottom line is this, people are different so find what works for you and go with that.0 -
Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
Because science.
If you give your body more fuel than it needs, be it fat, carbs, protein, etc, it will store it as fat, and you will gain weight. If you don't give it enough fuel, it will burn its own fat stores for fuel, and you will gain weight.
Pretty darned simple, isn't it?
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How much fat are thinking of eating????0 -
But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
Personally, I don't like my science veering off in any direction. I don't really consider it science if it veers off.
The calorie deficit (glucose burning) science doesn't veer off.
Hey, sorry if the facts don't fit your beliefs.
Your beliefs don't fit the facts.0 -
But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
Personally, I don't like my science veering off in any direction. I don't really consider it science if it veers off.
The calorie deficit (glucose burning) science doesn't veer off.
Hey, sorry if the facts don't fit your beliefs.
Your beliefs don't fit the facts.
The only facts he seems to have are "keytones" which aren't actually even a thing and "calorie deficit = burning glucose."
The chances that he could pick glucose out of a chart of molecules is pretty much zero. And he clearly has no idea whatsoever what a ketone even is, considering he keeps calling them keytones.0 -
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
Why all the hate on carbs? Carbs are good. I eat them, I'm losing weight. Oh my. I know that might blow your mind a little. :flowerforyou:0 -
I don't want to go eat lunch now, for all the fun I'm about to miss...0
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NO we are losing weight because we eat at a calorie deficet, a lot of us watch our macros to ensure nutrition needs are met and that's all she wrote...
For health some of us even exercise...or do fun things like play tennis and/or lift weights...
I don't think anyone has claimed they eat mostly junk...we eat what we want when we want as long as it fits in our caloric goals and we meet our macros...I will eat Dairy Queen one night and have BK the next day and chocolate or toaster strudel everynight if I have the space left...
There is no junk or bad food...take a look at our diaries...they are mostly all open because we don't care what people say about them because we know it works...
Have you tried the new cinnamon roll strudel? I'm looking for an honest assessment of how delicious it is or is not.
NOOOOO AMG I must look for it...but if it's cinnomon roll and maybe even cinibon...has to be good...
I am gonna look for it ...I will definately let all know...
http://www.tammileetips.com/2013/03/crock-pot-monkey-bread/
I like to drizzle some local honey over the top once it's cooked. OM NOM NOM
That would be so much better than the stupid frosting...I am gonna give up some of my pasta tonight to try this...*gleem in her eyes*0 -
But the science behind how a calorie deficit works is the explanation above. That all the article was really trying to do was explain how the science works (sure it veered off the road a little in places, but in the main it was sound).
Personally, I don't like my science veering off in any direction. I don't really consider it science if it veers off.
The calorie deficit (glucose burning) science doesn't veer off.
Hey, sorry if the facts don't fit your beliefs.
its actually the other way around...your beliefs do not fit the facts, so you are inventing pseudo science to convince us that magical ketones are burning fat...
Did you find these ketons over a rainbow in a land of fairies and unicorns? If yes, do you have a map to this magical land?0 -
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
Why all the hate on carbs? Carbs are good. I eat them, I'm losing weight. Oh my. I know that might blow your mind a little. :flowerforyou:
When I'm cutting, I typically eat 200+ grams of carbs.0 -
Sisson's beloved Grok ate around 300g of carbs a day0
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I don't want to go eat lunch now, for all the fun I'm about to miss...
I spent my entire lunch break reading through everything I missed.
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Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
Because science.
If you give your body more fuel than it needs, be it fat, carbs, protein, etc, it will store it as fat, and you will gain weight. If you don't give it enough fuel, it will burn its own fat stores for fuel, and you will gain weight.
Pretty darned simple, isn't it?
How much fat are thinking of eating????
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what the what? The question should be how much of anything are you thinking of eating? It doesn't matter what you eat. If you eat too much of anything, you will be providing your body with excess fuel, and it will be stored as fat. Period.
If you don't eat enough, regardless of what you are eating, your body will break down your fat stores for energy. Period.0 -
I don't want to go eat lunch now, for all the fun I'm about to miss...
Yah I left at page 3 came back to 11 pages and in the process of catching up it went to 13...give up food for entertainment (from one poster) and science from others.0 -
I haven't read through the entire thread yet but that's a GREAT article and explains a lot. Thank you for sharing it.
Don't join the thread at this stage and back the article, I was doing quite well as a lone wolf thank you!!!
Glad you liked the article.
Ummm...maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was thanking the OP, not you. There are other still folks following this thread and chiming in, not just you. Just because your comments started an argument does not mean this thread is now "yours."0 -
If you eat too many calories is how. Which can happen if you don't eat carbs, or only eat carbs, eat mcdonalds every day, eat homecooked, organic food every day, it doesn't matter. You eat more calories than your body needs and you gain weight.You can amend your profile all you want, but you admit you are not fit, you say you have 50 lbs to lose, you are new to MFP, you are following a fad diet, and you are telling all of the actually successful people they are wrong and unhealthy.
It's not looking good for you.
Conclusion.
Entrance to the Inner Circle/Roving Wolfpack/Shadowy Forum Bully Club/Thug Life Party is denied.
That's a very insensitive comment. You are basing this on where I want to be. You don't know where I started from.
And MFP is supposed to be a supportive site (shame on you).
He's basing it off what your own profile says.
39 - Active, but not fit.
I have been very active, but out of shape for the last 10 years
And that you stated in here you eat primal.
Yes but I have already lost a 32lb eating primal. I'm on a journey! just because I am not there yet doesn't make me any less of a person.
As I have just joined up I don't have the ability of posting my previous achievements.
Glad it is working for you ....
Let me just clarify that "primal" is not the reason you are losing, it is the calorie deficit that you create that is causing the loss..if you over ate on primal, you would gain weight...
Yes you are correct - nobody is disputing that fact (the article you all hate so much is not disputing that fact).
Mores the point the reason I am losing weight is because I am eating about 100g of carbs a day and mainly protein (plus chocolate and wine).
I am regulating my insulin levels and burning keytones when active under 75% energy rate. When I am lifting weights, sprinting or HIIT I am then burning the glucose.
The reason I am not putting on weight is because I am not consuming more glucose than I can either burn or store in my muscles or liver.
Yes the article had a few fuzzy points but it was mainly scientifically accurate.
You are losing weight because you are not consuming more carbs than you can either burn or store. If you are training hard then once your body runs out of glucose to burning it is switching to keytones (which is converted body fat).
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying your diet does not work, clearly it does. I would question some of the members who CLAIM they are eating mainly junk (to be fair as this thread has gone on most people have stated they eat a balanced diet).
My original post was in support (in the main of the article).
As many paleo/primal zealots, you are hung up on carbs. When overeating, fat will make you fatter than those evil carbs.
Low carb has nothing to do with your weight loss either, if you were to hold protein and cals constant, you could lose just the same eating many more carbs
Please explain how fat makes you fatter? (not including trans fat they are evil).
Look forward to your explanation
Not much to explain. 1 g of fat carries about 9 calories. a lot of fat has a lot of calories. Eat too much over a long period of time and you get fat.
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
Yes but if you eat medium to high carbs your body (pancreas to be precise) will secrete insulin to deal with the glucose in your system and will make sure it burns that as fuel first (as excess glucose is toxic to the body).
Any additional fat will be stored as fact because insulin restricts the process of lipolysis which converts body fat into keytones for fuel. So unless you are burning all of your carbs plus each day the fact you consume will stay with you.
If you eat low carb and high fat your insulin levels remain low, lipolysis occurs and you generate keytones to burn as fuel = you don't store the fat you consume as body fat.
However if you are eating calorie deficit this probably won't matter because you will burn your glucose and your body will switch to keytones and burn that as well.
However the article was not written for the members of MFP who eat this way, it was written for the majority of the population who do not and will consume more carbs (or fat) in a day than they can burn and those carbs and fat will be converted to body fat.0 -
I don't want to go eat lunch now, for all the fun I'm about to miss...
I had to go shovel my driveway, and now I'm behind like 5 pages :grumble:0 -
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
Why all the hate on carbs? Carbs are good. I eat them, I'm losing weight. Oh my. I know that might blow your mind a little. :flowerforyou:
When I'm cutting, I typically eat 200+ grams of carbs.
I eat a fair amount of carbs myself, since I can't eat many vegetables, I tend to eat a lot of rice. I eat oatmeal every morning, or gluten-free cereal, and rice noodles or gluten-free bread at lunch. Uh-oh.. does that mean I will get fat.....:?0 -
Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.
How does that make you fat??
The Keytones are a band.
and from the looks of them, they didn't have much trouble with weight.
Maybe because singing burns calories?
Let's not burn them. They look nice.0
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