RMR Test Results- Very Very Surprised

"Hey! you can eat a bunch of calories and still lose fat!!"
"Nah, thanks, i'm just going to starve myself."

Congratulations on your test results. I'd love to have my rmr measured like that!

It was VERY surprising to me. Because it would seem to contradict much of the closely held views that you see in this forum. Which the haters are now out in force. Funny, the Body Builder was not surprised. He is not a big believer in metabolic damage or slowdown given his own experiences. He feels that the body can be put under stress and rebound quickly from it. He takes a more aggressive approach to weight loss. He feels that one of the major reasons many people fail at weight loss, is the whole slow and steady approach that you see advocated. People get frustrated, depressed, and give up when they see small tiny incremental weight loss. And eventually give up or have setbacks. Larger and more aggressive weight loss motivates people and helps them push forward.

Cos there are no body-builders on the MFP forums. Only in real life. In your gym. Who will tell you anything and you will believe it.

Congratulations on your test results. I'd love to have my rmr measured like that!

It was VERY surprising to me. Because it would seem to contradict much of the closely held views that you see in this forum. Which the haters are now out in force. Funny, the Body Builder was not surprised. He is not a big believer in metabolic damage or slowdown given his own experiences. He feels that the body can be put under stress and rebound quickly from it. He takes a more aggressive approach to weight loss. He feels that one of the major reasons many people fail at weight loss, is the whole slow and steady approach that you see advocated. People get frustrated, depressed, and give up when they see small tiny incremental weight loss. And eventually give up or have setbacks. Larger and more aggressive weight loss motivates people and helps them push forward.

The numbers are not lying!
If you can handle a more aggressive approach, go for it! It does not currently work for me, I "run-out" emotionally and can't handle it.
Well, many people, rather than discussing the issue and showing their viewpoint respectfully, run out of knowledge and begin to use SARCASM in place of INFORMATION as a way to manipulate/bully and otherwise bluff others into thinking they are smart. They can be safely ignored, and you will not be the worse for it.

I'll post a few articles on this muscle loss issue.

- I started with weights in 1981. That was when I was told by the "experts" that I would get "muscle bound" and "unflexible". The exact opposite happened.

- I did weights in the 1990s when the "experts" said that you had to do cardio and not weights to lose weight. Weight training would add "bulk". The exact opposite happened

_ I did weights in the 2000s when the "experts" said that cardio and not weights will make you lean. The exact opposite happened.

Got away from them as I got older/hurt. Back on them training Dorian Yates HIT style.

I did not do an RMR test before starting. But I am certain based on my past weight and past caloric intake that it had to have been substantially lower than now. And the rapid weight loss coincides with not just caloric deficits, but a significant boost to my metabolism thru weight training. The "experts" would have you believe that my caloric deficits should have caused a significant slowing of my metabolism. That did not happen. The opposite appears to have occurred. So much for the experts....

I find it funny that you, Scotty, claim to have such a substantial amount of knowledge on the subject, and in particular, claim you are more knowledgeable than all of the MFP "fatties," yet you "Started with weights in 1981." It's 2014!!! You've been going at it for 33 years and you are only making ANOTHER mistake haha! You do realize that there are a whole lot of successful weight loss stories on here, including people getting into single digit BF percentages? Of which they already have achieved, unlike some . And a great lot of them did it in less than a year. By eating. More. Than you.

Either way, if it works, it works and more power to you. Just don't start crying 20 years from now saying "So much for the experts, uh I mean, bodybuilder guy that I payed money for."

Good Luck.

OP you may want to check out this definition before you keep making claims that others on here are only answering because of personal preference or 'fixation'...which actually to all appearances seems to be your methodology "My gym brah told me"

anecdotal
ˌanɪkˈdəʊtl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

1.
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

2.based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation

Most tales, mine, yours, and others are anecdotal. This site is not a double blind study. I see that. Do you?

Can't believe I am even going to dignify that with a response but here we go: Obviously this site is not a double blind study but maybe just maybe people who are questioning your conclusions, outlooks, replies etc have read/studied reputable research that is verified and stands up to scientific scrutiny...much like the people who did your tests that you choose to ignore.

It was VERY surprising to me. Because it would seem to contradict much of the closely held views that you see in this forum. Which the haters are now out in force. Funny, the Body Builder was not surprised. He is not a big believer in metabolic damage or slowdown given his own experiences. He feels that the body can be put under stress and rebound quickly from it. He takes a more aggressive approach to weight loss. He feels that one of the major reasons many people fail at weight loss, is the whole slow and steady approach that you see advocated. People get frustrated, depressed, and give up when they see small tiny incremental weight loss. And eventually give up or have setbacks. Larger and more aggressive weight loss motivates people and helps them push forward.

Awesome post. I agree wholeheartedly....

I am glad that this approach seems to suit you best. I guess body builders would be exactly the ones to learn about aggressive weight loss and building muscle. I always admire athletes' motivation it is truly unbelievable what they put themselves through to get the results. Amazing!
I'm not an athlete or scientist and I absolutely hear you when you say that over the years the ideas of "the best approach to lose weight and be healthy" change so it is very hard to decide which version to believe. And I agree that people tend to overrate food. Long time ago people had to do hard manual labor all day long without opportunity to eat big amounts of food packed with calories with no nutritional value... It's simple yes, if your calories in are bigger than calories out then you become overweight. I read that you are not slave of food and it is great! Wish I was like that! To be honest, I don't really care how you are going to eat this week and next, I'm just glad you have found a way which suits you. At the same time I think it is also great that there are so many people on this site who have lost incredible amounts of weight and they have changed their habits for life, eating healthy food and exercising daily. They truly inspire me every single time I need a push to get myself back into it. If I wouldn't love food so much (i wouldn't be overweight then and would never find this site) then I guess I would get lots of inspiration from you and your approach.

My point is, everyone has to find the way which suits them. When I look at body builders I admire them but I am not them, I don't have that kind of motivation and I won't be able to use their aggressive approach. When I have tried, it ends up exactly the opposite as you say, it is overwhelming, too restrictive, I have to think about it all day and I'm cranky and hungry etc. Haha, ask my family.
I actually love slow pace, the pressure is much less and I want to keep it going. For me, it doesn't matter that I don't lose much in a week because I have lots of time to get to my goal, the rest of my life really. For me it is more important to learn healthy ways and be good to my body so aggressive style does not fit for that. I do enjoy food, especially nice fresh nutritious food, so that's the approach I choose for myself. Probably you look awesome in 2 months time when I'm not yet but I guess in long run I am happier that way All the best!

"Hey! you can eat a bunch of calories and still lose fat!!"
"Nah, thanks, i'm just going to starve myself."

But I don't feel "starved" in the least. The definitions of starvation seem somewhat overexaggerated at times.....

you know who else doesn't feel like they are starving? many people who suffer from anorexia nervosa.
Part of the problem for both anorexics and overeaters, is that their/our hunger cues don't work properly anymore.

True. But I think i can recognize the difference between hunger and starvation. When I am hungry, I eat. But I have yet to feel starved. The term starvation is thrown around here very very loosely IMO. And it seems to be a way of convincing people here to eat eat eat. Which does not seem to work out all that well in many cases.

I have never once seen any of the posters on this thread expressing concern tell someone to eat eat eat. In fact, I have seen exactly the opposite with the point being made repeatedly that the first thing to do is weigh your food if you're not losing weight because you are probably eating more than you think. The posters you seem to show such disdain for are also the ones that generally call out less knowledgeable participants for spreading "starvation mode" mythology and other forms of extremism and scientifically unfounded weight loss propaganda. So I am curious to know where you get that they are to ones responsible for causing these issues....

And yes, I will consider scientifically cited sources above all else, but if I'm comparing anecdotal evidence, sorry, but I'm going with the people who have lost significant amounts of weight, transformed their bodies and maintained that transformation for years over the new person who just started out but "knows" they've got it right and everybody else is wrong.