Snacking too much!

So there ARE situations in which a food may be bad

Yes. Avocados and kale can be bad nutrition

in a given situation, as can ding dongs and Bic Macs.

give me ONE situation in which kale can be bad nutrition in a healthy human with no medical issues.

Eating enough kale to equal the caloric content in two ding dongs would likely make me physically ill. Otherwise, the numbers are likely better, unless I needed an easy source of fat. Of course, the fact remains that there's no way I'm eating that much kale.

200 calories of kale would have 3.6 grams of fat. that's not insignificant.

So there ARE situations in which a food may be bad

Yes. Avocados and kale can be bad nutrition

in a given situation, as can ding dongs and Bic Macs.

give me ONE situation in which kale can be bad nutrition in a healthy human with no medical issues.

Eating enough kale to equal the caloric content in two ding dongs would likely make me physically ill. Otherwise, the numbers are likely better, unless I needed an easy source of fat. Of course, the fact remains that there's no way I'm eating that much kale.

200 calories of kale would have 3.6 grams of fat. that's not insignificant.

No, but it's much less than I'd get from a ding dong.

So there ARE situations in which a food may be bad

Yes. Avocados and kale can be bad nutrition

in a given situation, as can ding dongs and Bic Macs.

give me ONE situation in which kale can be bad nutrition in a healthy human with no medical issues.

If it makes you go over on caloreis...?

I don't eat kale because I think it tastes like poison so I don't know what its nutrient profile is like.

you don't know anything about kale yet you say it can be bad nutrition in certain situations.

please, what situation? keep in mind a cup of kale is 33 calories.

I did. Or if eating kale prevents you from getting enough calories or fat or protein. That's the whole point. Any food is fine if it fits appropriate nutrient goals. Any food can be bad if it doesn't fit those goals.

eating the kale is what keeps you from getting enough calories? that's the kale's fault? if you have eaten zero calories and then you eat 50 calories of kale, the kale isn't at fault for you not reaching your 1700 calories - in fact it's helping by getting you closer.

your logic in this is just hilariously flawed.

there is literally no situation in which kale is a bad food choice in a healthy adult human being with no medical conditions

Unbelievable. If I didn't know better, I would say MFP is a super secret "fat acceptance" group to sabotage innocent people looking to lose weight and improve their health.

I've been off and on diets for DECADES and all of them allow for an occasional splurge or treat. No biggie.

But, some of your pot stirrers walk around acting like junk food doesn't matter one Iota when it comes to health and fitness.

Well, I'd like to see how many morbidly obese people, who have struggled for decades with their weight, will say-- "Meh- eat the junk as part of your daily diet." Why do you think some choose surgery with God awful side effects? Because they can't control it like you can. They are desperate and the surgery is their last resort.

What would be more helpful would if people truly offered support. Maybe to say-- "Stay away from your trigger foods. Keep them out of the house. Yes, an occasional treat is fine, plan for it, have it and move on" How hard is that??

It's tiresome to see mostly young people who don't have a significant weight problem make light of what can be a real issue and stumbling block to losing weight.

It's frustrating when you have to work hard for something, and people put up gif of cookies and brownies as a joke on a fitness site. It can be a temptation and you are NOT helping.

Please, think before you post. Please be kind. There are people out there for whom this ISN'T a joke, it's their very life and their health (not a few vanity pounds).

So, if someone is asking for help with "no control snacking" don't come in bragging how you have no problem eating junk food every night and you still lost weight. Lucky you-- but your situation doesn't apply to all. It's not helpful and it's rude.

So there ARE situations in which a food may be bad

Yes. Avocados and kale can be bad nutrition

in a given situation, as can ding dongs and Bic Macs.

give me ONE situation in which kale can be bad nutrition in a healthy human with no medical issues.

People can and do overdose on micronutrients in a misguided attempt to be "super" healthy, while this is highly unlikely to occur from food, it is theoretically possible.

And as has been pointed out, the ding dong isn't bad nutrition for a human with no medical issues either.

Unbelievable. If I didn't know better, I would say MFP is a super secret "fat acceptance" group to sabotage innocent people looking to lose weight and improve their health.

I've been off and on diets for DECADES and all of them allow for an occasional splurge or treat. No biggie.

But, some of your pot stirrers walk around acting like junk food doesn't matter one Iota when it comes to health and fitness.

Well, I'd like to see how many morbidly obese people, who have struggled for decades with their weight, will say-- "Meh- eat the junk as part of your daily diet." Why do you think some choose surgery with God awful side effects? Because they can't control it like you can. They are desperate and the surgery is their last resort.

What would be more helpful would if people truly offered support. Maybe to say-- "Stay away from your trigger foods. Keep them out of the house. Yes, an occasional treat is fine, plan for it, have it and move on" How hard is that??

It's tiresome to see mostly young people who don't have a significant weight problem make light of what can be a real issue and stumbling block to losing weight.

It's frustrating when you have to work hard for something, and people put up gif of cookies and brownies as a joke on a fitness site. It can be a temptation and you are NOT helping.

Please, think before you post. Please be kind. There are people out there for whom this ISN'T a joke, it's their very life and their health (not a few vanity pounds).

So, if someone is asking for help with "no control snacking" don't come in bragging how you have no problem eating junk food every night and you still lost weight. Lucky you-- but your situation doesn't apply to all. It's not helpful and it's rude.

I dunno, I spent the first 32 years of my life fat. I started at 337 lbs. I'm sorry you can't accept that some folks DO change their lives and are able to eat what they want AND lose weight AND be healthy. I've lost most than HALF of my starting body weight.

If it's a stumbling block, then keep it out of your life. It isn't for me and I don't feel like you have any right trying to shame those of us that can deal with it just because you can't.

the only bad food is the one that makes you blow out your calories for the day, or blow out your macro % …in my opinion...

so if you're at 1800 calories and your goal for the day is 1800 calories, but it's only 9pm and you're a little hungry and you've got and equal caloric amount of kale and a package of two ding dongs to choose between, which is worse?

if you're at 1750 out of 1800 which is worse?

if you're at 1900 out of 1800 which is worse?

see a pattern?

I suppose that would be up to the individual person and what their goals are or how they feel for the day ..

If I have already had ice cream or cookies then I might go for something else…or I might just stay at 1750 …

If I was really hungry and had something similar to kale, I would probably go for that ..or maybe some string cheese..

I really do not like Kale, so I would never have it at my place to choose from ...

i dont think this was part of the hypothetical.

point is none of you have been able to point out a situation in which kale is bad, however there ARE situations in which ding dongs are bad.

conclusion?

We have, you just ignore them.

So there ARE situations in which a food may be bad

Yes. Avocados and kale can be bad nutrition

in a given situation, as can ding dongs and Bic Macs.

give me ONE situation in which kale can be bad nutrition in a healthy human with no medical issues.

People can and do overdose on micronutrients in a misguided attempt to be "super" healthy, while this is highly unlikely to occur from food, it is theoretically possible.

And as has been pointed out, the ding dong isn't bad nutrition for a human with no medical issues either.

please re-read the exchange. no reason for me to re-state it since your point has already been addressed multiple times in many different ways.

Unbelievable. If I didn't know better, I would say MFP is a super secret "fat acceptance" group to sabotage innocent people looking to lose weight and improve their health.

I've been off and on diets for DECADES and all of them allow for an occasional splurge or treat. No biggie.

But, some of your pot stirrers walk around acting like junk food doesn't matter one Iota when it comes to health and fitness.

Well, I'd like to see how many morbidly obese people, who have struggled for decades with their weight, will say-- "Meh- eat the junk as part of your daily diet." Why do you think some choose surgery with God awful side effects? Because they can't control it like you can. They are desperate and the surgery is their last resort.

What would be more helpful would if people truly offered support. Maybe to say-- "Stay away from your trigger foods. Keep them out of the house. Yes, an occasional treat is fine, plan for it, have it and move on" How hard is that??

It's tiresome to see mostly young people who don't have a significant weight problem make light of what can be a real issue and stumbling block to losing weight.

It's frustrating when you have to work hard for something, and people put up gif of cookies and brownies as a joke on a fitness site. It can be a temptation and you are NOT helping.

Please, think before you post. Please be kind. There are people out there for whom this ISN'T a joke, it's their very life and their health (not a few vanity pounds).

So, if someone is asking for help with "no control snacking" don't come in bragging how you have no problem eating junk food every night and you still lost weight. Lucky you-- but your situation doesn't apply to all. It's not helpful and it's rude.

MANY of the people on this site actually DID start with a significant amount of weight to lose, and many of them started later in life. They are saying those things because they want to help people realize that it DOESN'T have be all or nothing, because that all or nothing stance is what they've seen causing people to give up and quit over and over and over again.

And the OP wasn't asking for advice to control snacking, the OP asked if the snacks would stop them from losing weight. People gave examples to support the idea that snacks don't have to be a problem IF you can portion control.

the only bad food is the one that makes you blow out your calories for the day, or blow out your macro % …in my opinion...

so if you're at 1800 calories and your goal for the day is 1800 calories, but it's only 9pm and you're a little hungry and you've got and equal caloric amount of kale and a package of two ding dongs to choose between, which is worse?

if you're at 1750 out of 1800 which is worse?

if you're at 1900 out of 1800 which is worse?

see a pattern?

I suppose that would be up to the individual person and what their goals are or how they feel for the day ..

If I have already had ice cream or cookies then I might go for something else…or I might just stay at 1750 …

If I was really hungry and had something similar to kale, I would probably go for that ..or maybe some string cheese..

I really do not like Kale, so I would never have it at my place to choose from ...

i dont think this was part of the hypothetical.

point is none of you have been able to point out a situation in which kale is bad, however there ARE situations in which ding dongs are bad.

conclusion?

In your example, yes if I eat the two ding dongs and it blows out my calories then yes that would be "bad" ….however, I would probably just not eat the ding dongs and leave my calorie count where it was and drink a glass of water ….

ok. you beat me. well played.

owait. :flowerforyou:

Unbelievable. If I didn't know better, I would say MFP is a super secret "fat acceptance" group to sabotage innocent people looking to lose weight and improve their health.

I've been off and on diets for DECADES and all of them allow for an occasional splurge or treat. No biggie.

But, some of your pot stirrers walk around acting like junk food doesn't matter one Iota when it comes to health and fitness.

Well, I'd like to see how many morbidly obese people, who have struggled for decades with their weight, will say-- "Meh- eat the junk as part of your daily diet." Why do you think some choose surgery with God awful side effects? Because they can't control it like you can. They are desperate and the surgery is their last resort.

What would be more helpful would if people truly offered support. Maybe to say-- "Stay away from your trigger foods. Keep them out of the house. Yes, an occasional treat is fine, plan for it, have it and move on" How hard is that??

It's tiresome to see mostly young people who don't have a significant weight problem make light of what can be a real issue and stumbling block to losing weight.

It's frustrating when you have to work hard for something, and people put up gif of cookies and brownies as a joke on a fitness site. It can be a temptation and you are NOT helping.

Please, think before you post. Please be kind. There are people out there for whom this ISN'T a joke, it's their very life and their health (not a few vanity pounds).

So, if someone is asking for help with "no control snacking" don't come in bragging how you have no problem eating junk food every night and you still lost weight. Lucky you-- but your situation doesn't apply to all. It's not helpful and it's rude.

Just because I no longer have a significant weight problem doesn't mean I've never had one. (I was a 220+ pound teenager, actually) I'm clearly not o some fat acceptance crusade, though I suppose you've got me on the vanity pound thing.

Still there are people on this site who've lost hundreds of pounds, who are parents and grandparents, who'd tell you to eat the damn ding dong and shut the hell up about it.

So.

There's that.

the only bad food is the one that makes you blow out your calories for the day, or blow out your macro % …in my opinion...

so if you're at 1800 calories and your goal for the day is 1800 calories, but it's only 9pm and you're a little hungry and you've got and equal caloric amount of kale and a package of two ding dongs to choose between, which is worse?

if you're at 1750 out of 1800 which is worse?

if you're at 1900 out of 1800 which is worse?

see a pattern?

I suppose that would be up to the individual person and what their goals are or how they feel for the day ..

If I have already had ice cream or cookies then I might go for something else…or I might just stay at 1750 …

If I was really hungry and had something similar to kale, I would probably go for that ..or maybe some string cheese..

I really do not like Kale, so I would never have it at my place to choose from ...

i dont think this was part of the hypothetical.

point is none of you have been able to point out a situation in which kale is bad, however there ARE situations in which ding dongs are bad.

conclusion?

We have, you just ignore them.

no. you simply haven't. there is NO INSTANCE in which you will suffer for having chosen the kale instead of the ding dong. not one. ever. the end. you've all admitted it without admitting it and that's ok - you have your image to uphold and I understand that. :flowerforyou:

Um no, my husband would suffer severely for choosing the kale instead of the ding dong, his insides would be shredded for hours, but your statement was about completely healthy, which proved absolutely nothing, because the exact same statement applies equally to the ding dong.

I've addressed this issue.

Nope, you've danced around the issue and ignored the point. But you play it off however you want if it makes you feel better.

in literally no way is this true. I said in my scenario that we're talking about a perfectly healthy grown person, and in that person there is no scenario where kale is bad, but there ARE scenarios in which ding dongs are bad. sad that I have to rehash instead of you just... reading it all when I first said it.