I'm Bulletproof

I guess it is limiting, if the only things you like are those that I don't eat. The vast majority of items on most menus are acceptable

I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to defend my choice of using a low carb diet, so let me just say this goes for me too.

To those who feel it's necessary to make snide remarks about someone else's choice instead of just supporting them, I still support your choice even though I've found it doesn't work for me.

Good luck to all in their quest for self improvement, regardless of the method they choose.

The issue I have is when people try to coin a term and use it to sell something making outrageous claims.

"Bulletproofing" is just that.

I personally experienced yak butter tea, like the inventor of bulletproof coffee, in the Himalayas many years ago before he "invented" his coffee. Great stuff and also an acquired taste (I really can't say I like it a lot) and it's usually a good energy source locally especially when mixed with tsampa, a type of flour.

Taking this and marketing is brilliant. As is coining the term.

However, his claims that his coffee is mycotoxin "freer" than other providers seems a stretch. His claim that his "octane" MCT oils are 18x stronger than coconut oil is an empty claim. Stronger at what? Personal taste? Pull test? Empty adjective. Oh, and what's the main ingredient used? Umm, coconut oil.

His claim that bulletproofing leads to preferential fat utilization, better insulin profile are conjecture and unlikely in an isocaloric diet and full 24 day studies have shown no significant benefit from calorie timing. He even claims that it helps build muscle.

The whole "bulletproof" lifestyle (vibrating plate, anyone) that he sells made a few of my fellow trekkers roll their eyes, not out of jealousy at his success but at the marketing hype he peddles.

Sleep induction blanket? Omg.

Lifehack indeed, as he counts his money at the bank.

Yet this thread isn't about his whole thing (whatever it is, I'm not involved), it's about a person's diet preference. The claim the person made is that it works for her, and so far I haven't seen anything for sale. Seems like it would be easy enough to just say "Good luck!" instead of "OP, glad this worked for you but I'd personally be the stupidest person on the planet if I ate like that."

It seems like some people take the idea of another person's diet as some sort of personal affront. It's not, and if it makes someone happy enough to post a little thread saying how happy they are that it is working for them then what kind of person tears them down? It reminds me of people who, when looking at a photo of a person who just lost a lot of weight and is feeling good about themselves says "yeah, but you're still fat in the [insert trouble area]."

I guess some people's mothers never told them "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."

Why does everyone have to make things so much more difficult then they have to be....

Hey - I was just stating what worked for ME. Being vegan was difficult. This is not difficult. Difficulty is only a matter of personal experience. What do YOU recommend?

I guess it is limiting, if the only things you like are those that I don't eat. The vast majority of items on most menus are acceptable

I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to defend my choice of using a low carb diet, so let me just say this goes for me too.

To those who feel it's necessary to make snide remarks about someone else's choice instead of just supporting them, I still support your choice even though I've found it doesn't work for me.

Good luck to all in their quest for self improvement, regardless of the method they choose.

The issue I have is when people try to coin a term and use it to sell something making outrageous claims.

"Bulletproofing" is just that.

I personally experienced yak butter tea, like the inventor of bulletproof coffee, in the Himalayas many years ago before he "invented" his coffee. Great stuff and also an acquired taste (I really can't say I like it a lot) and it's usually a good energy source locally especially when mixed with tsampa, a type of flour.

Taking this and marketing is brilliant. As is coining the term.

However, his claims that his coffee is mycotoxin "freer" than other providers seems a stretch. His claim that his "octane" MCT oils are 18x stronger than coconut oil is an empty claim. Stronger at what? Personal taste? Pull test? Empty adjective. Oh, and what's the main ingredient used? Umm, coconut oil.

His claim that bulletproofing leads to preferential fat utilization, better insulin profile are conjecture and unlikely in an isocaloric diet and full 24 day studies have shown no significant benefit from calorie timing. He even claims that it helps build muscle.

The whole "bulletproof" lifestyle (vibrating plate, anyone) that he sells made a few of my fellow trekkers roll their eyes, not out of jealousy at his success but at the marketing hype he peddles.

Sleep induction blanket? Omg.

Lifehack indeed, as he counts his money at the bank.

Yet this thread isn't about his whole thing (whatever it is, I'm not involved), it's about a person's diet preference. The claim the person made is that it works for her, and so far I haven't seen anything for sale. Seems like it would be easy enough to just say "Good luck!" instead of "OP, glad this worked for you but I'd personally be the stupidest person on the planet if I ate like that."

It seems like some people take the idea of another person's diet as some sort of personal affront. It's not, and if it makes someone happy enough to post a little thread saying how happy they are that it is working for them then what kind of person tears them down? It reminds me of people who, when looking at a photo of a person who just lost a lot of weight and is feeling good about themselves says "yeah, but you're still fat in the [insert trouble area]."

I guess some people's mothers never told them "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."

So, you are saying not nice things about people not saying nice things? Guess mom's teachings didn't stick.

The OPs post is bulletproof evangelism. "Ohmygod, worlds best thing, this new thing I've tried for two weeks. All the energies in two weeks". It's absolutely reasonable to say "good for you, wouldn't work for me" when in fact it wouldn't work for me. Personally, the term is a dog-whistle to eye rolling in trekking circles - I understand you might not see that. People here are not attacking her.

Now, if you are projecting "you're still fat" stories, that's rather an exaggeration. No one in this thread has been like that, that's in your read of things.

I'm sorry that you expect people to just happily cheer along ideas that they find contrary to their experience. I'd rather see open expression and exchange of ideas. Almost everyone has offered congrats to the OP. Thread is pretty damn snark free. If you promote an idea it seems reasonable that the idea will be looked at with some critical inspection. Especially in GD&WL section of the site. It's not called "cheer me on blindly".

Personally, I find this to be long term untenable, which is what I wrote. That the OP finds it useful is great - sincerely, good for her.

Noting that someone is not saying nice things is not the same as specifically saying mean things to a person. Any more than arresting a person is the same as abducting them.

I guess when I see things like "OP, glad this worked for you but I'd personally be the stupidest person on the planet if I ate like that." or posts calling her method a penance, or posts by people saying they want to stuff a cookie in her mouth I don't see a thread lacking in snark.

Ah, so you see yourself as some sort of internet cop. It's ok to be mean to the mean people because I have "right" on my side. Pretentiousness.

You've been here for a few years and even with your low thread count you might understand that a bit of humor comes with the place. Glass half empty or full discussion. You're focusing on, IMHO, small elements of "not for me but good luck" attitude.

I do suggest you stay away from the coffee enema and water cleanse threads. Because they are full of "mean people".
And France. If you try to put oil in your coffee here, your going to get slapped. Hard.

Joking aside. Consider the media and that your level of sensitivity and rules of reasonable speech are not necessarily universal. Also consider that the terminology used, a registered term specific to a coffee from the "bulletproof exec" and new-age yuppie life "hacking" (cough) terminology is the title and core message of this post and that you might not be getting it.

I follow something very similar to the bulletproof diet (perfect health diet) and it is not torture nor hard. Basically you are cutting out sugar and grains. It is very possible to eat like this and lose weight without calorie counting because you feel full all the time as your blood sugar gets so regulated.

Cuts out sugar, meaning no baked goods, fruits, yogurts or sweet anythings. No grains, meaning no bread, rice, cereal, sandwiches, beer, many soups.
Isn't hard...
So meat and greens all day, every day, with the occasional dairy option? It probably isn't hard to transition if you grew up on a diet like this and have access to low cost meat, but saying it's not hard in general is a stretch.

What do you eat on your birthday, since cake and icecream are on your no-no list? I like to imagine you making a ham and then stabbing birthday candles in the top.

I always wonder this too when someone is quick to say they have cut out sugar or carbs for good and plan on doing it forever. Or what do they eat when they go out to eat? Or when they visit a family member's house for dinner?

I imagine a reasonable person would either eat a small serving of the "bad" food to be polite, or just crowd their plate with safe foods so they don't have room for "bad" foods. An attention seeker would flip a table and demand raw vegan risotto, hold the rice. Restaurants must be a nightmare, especially mom and pop joints without no carb options.

Hey. Y'all get off onto tangents like crazy- it's really entertaining. I eat carbs. I don't understand where his came from! Haha! Carbs happen all evening, just little to none in the morning it's easy. Pay attention!! I don't eat out though because the food is generally unclean and or low quality. If I can budget a high quality restaurant into the mix, fine. But I guess I should have mentioned that I am a chef so naturally, my own kitchen is a "restaurant" of sorts. When I eat at friends houses and family dinners, I allow myself to eat whatever is prepared as long as I feel comfortable eating it... Just like everyone else (I assume). I just don't eat everything that is offered to me because I have self control.

I have no idea what's going on in this thread...
...but I don't want to miss out if it gets good later.


Oh, and BP coffee is delicious. I like 2-3T kerrygold and 1-2T of MCT blended in 2 cups of coffee.

I remember you stating a while back that you liked it. Do you buy the "upgraded" stuff or just make from your own?

I guess it is limiting, if the only things you like are those that I don't eat. The vast majority of items on most menus are acceptable

I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to defend my choice of using a low carb diet, so let me just say this goes for me too.

To those who feel it's necessary to make snide remarks about someone else's choice instead of just supporting them, I still support your choice even though I've found it doesn't work for me.

Good luck to all in their quest for self improvement, regardless of the method they choose.

The issue I have is when people try to coin a term and use it to sell something making outrageous claims.

"Bulletproofing" is just that.

I personally experienced yak butter tea, like the inventor of bulletproof coffee, in the Himalayas many years ago before he "invented" his coffee. Great stuff and also an acquired taste (I really can't say I like it a lot) and it's usually a good energy source locally especially when mixed with tsampa, a type of flour.

Taking this and marketing is brilliant. As is coining the term.

However, his claims that his coffee is mycotoxin "freer" than other providers seems a stretch. His claim that his "octane" MCT oils are 18x stronger than coconut oil is an empty claim. Stronger at what? Personal taste? Pull test? Empty adjective. Oh, and what's the main ingredient used? Umm, coconut oil.

His claim that bulletproofing leads to preferential fat utilization, better insulin profile are conjecture and unlikely in an isocaloric diet and full 24 day studies have shown no significant benefit from calorie timing. He even claims that it helps build muscle.

The whole "bulletproof" lifestyle (vibrating plate, anyone) that he sells made a few of my fellow trekkers roll their eyes, not out of jealousy at his success but at the marketing hype he peddles.

Sleep induction blanket? Omg.

Lifehack indeed, as he counts his money at the bank.

Yet this thread isn't about his whole thing (whatever it is, I'm not involved), it's about a person's diet preference. The claim the person made is that it works for her, and so far I haven't seen anything for sale. Seems like it would be easy enough to just say "Good luck!" instead of "OP, glad this worked for you but I'd personally be the stupidest person on the planet if I ate like that."

It seems like some people take the idea of another person's diet as some sort of personal affront. It's not, and if it makes someone happy enough to post a little thread saying how happy they are that it is working for them then what kind of person tears them down? It reminds me of people who, when looking at a photo of a person who just lost a lot of weight and is feeling good about themselves says "yeah, but you're still fat in the [insert trouble area]."

I guess some people's mothers never told them "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."

So, you are saying not nice things about people not saying nice things? Guess mom's teachings didn't stick.

The OPs post is bulletproof evangelism. "Ohmygod, worlds best thing, this new thing I've tried for two weeks. All the energies in two weeks". It's absolutely reasonable to say "good for you, wouldn't work for me" when in fact it wouldn't work for me. Personally, the term is a dog-whistle to eye rolling in trekking circles - I understand you might not see that. People here are not attacking her.

Now, if you are projecting "you're still fat" stories, that's rather an exaggeration. No one in this thread has been like that, that's in your read of things.

I'm sorry that you expect people to just happily cheer along ideas that they find contrary to their experience. I'd rather see open expression and exchange of ideas. Almost everyone has offered congrats to the OP. Thread is pretty damn snark free. If you promote an idea it seems reasonable that the idea will be looked at with some critical inspection. Especially in GD&WL section of the site. It's not called "cheer me on blindly".

Personally, I find this to be long term untenable, which is what I wrote. That the OP finds it useful is great - sincerely, good for her.

Noting that someone is not saying nice things is not the same as specifically saying mean things to a person. Any more than arresting a person is the same as abducting them.

I guess when I see things like "OP, glad this worked for you but I'd personally be the stupidest person on the planet if I ate like that." or posts calling her method a penance, or posts by people saying they want to stuff a cookie in her mouth I don't see a thread lacking in snark.

Ah, so you see yourself as some sort of internet cop. It's ok to be mean to the mean people because I have "right" on my side. Pretentiousness.

You've been here for a few years and even with your low thread count you might understand that a bit of humor comes with the place. Glass half empty or full discussion. You're focusing on, IMHO, small elements of "not for me but good luck" attitude.

I do suggest you stay away from the coffee enema and water cleanse threads. Because they are full of "mean people".
And France. If you try to put oil in your coffee here, your going to get slapped. Hard.

Joking aside. Consider the media and that your level of sensitivity and rules of reasonable speech are not necessarily universal. Also consider that the terminology used, a registered term specific to a coffee from the "bulletproof exec" and new-age yuppie life "hacking" (cough) terminology is the title and core message of this post and that you might not be getting it.

Yes, I see myself as a police officer, roaming the web.

You win, in no way was your statement about that incredibly concrete and black and white, with massive hyperbole. It was a totally reasonable response to a simple analogy between actions. Of course saying someone is not being nice is a terribly mean and cruel act, think of the children!

I also totally get it, you're into trekking and super cool. Like that time in Nepal when you leapt onto a mother Yak and milked her and churned the butter and made coffee before the baby yak even got a first sip! CANNONBALL coffee! Made from primacy Yak milk! But you wouldn't market that because you're just too busy in France maintaining your lead over the hipster community, staying just one step ahead where it's cool and not 'new age yuppie life "hacking" (cough).'

Gets upset at the criticism, is critical of that. Irony.
Decides to go into attack mode. Irony x2.
Gets upset at hyperbole, serves hyperbole. Irony x 3.
So you don't like people being mean but the snarky above towards me is a-ok? You go.

Again, most people here are wishing the OP the best of luck. It doesn't mean that everyone needs to buy the idea hook, line and sinker.

I have no issue with marketing or his making money off of these product ideas. I do think that the idea of MCT oils is interesting, in general, and there is even reasonable evidence of free fatty acids that have high availability during exercise is an efficient process. But from there to what the site promotes? Well, I will point out when I see it as being empty hype. Bulletproof(r) coffee and the benefits promoted seems to be, IMHO, just that. It's trendy.

I'm glad people here aren't just up voting every idea that comes through with "way to go" and "alright"! Critical review skills are a plus in this place.

As to the actual product - which I have, in fact tried (both the coffee and adding MCT oils to different drinks), it's a no for me. Aside from yak butter tea, which has the plus of being somewhat exotic, I don't like the taste of oil or butter in coffee.

Here is a review of someone else:
http://foodjunk.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/bulletproof-coffee-a-review/

Not upset, just trying to pass back the silliness of hyperbole you tried to pass with the cop comment along with the logical fallacy of appeal to authority you attempted to use. It was intended to help you see how ridiculous what you said was.

Serious question, do you really not see a difference between noting that someone is not being nice and saying someone's choice would make one "the stupidest person in the world"?

EDIT: P.S. You might want to look into the definition of irony, it's not just a synonym for incongruity.

Why does everyone have to make things so much more difficult then they have to be....

Hey - I was just stating what worked for ME. Being vegan was difficult. This is not difficult. Difficulty is only a matter of personal experience. What do YOU recommend?