Paleo?

I probably know more than you do. Enough to know that there is a macronutrient distribution associated with paleo and orimal eating so therefore macros are important and worth tracking and also enough to know that paleo doesn't operate outside the laws of thermodynamics.

I've read a little on the topic, but don't mind me.

If you wish to believe that then that's your choice - not every choice we make in life is the right one though!

It's not a belief. It's science. It's fact. Kinda like it's a fact that most of your posts make you look like an idiot.

Maybe you just have a more sensitive idiot radar than most - after all idiots gravitate toward each other.

As far as science goes, if you are suggesting that a paleo or LCHF style of eating is unhealthy please post the studies.

Or if you are only commenting against the diet because you personally would find it hard to restrict certain foods and have a limited logic that if you would struggle the other 7 billion people in the world would be just like you, then with no offence intended - shutupandlift.

The vast majority of the 7 billion people that you refer to would probably prefer not to give up food they like to eat when there's no actual benefit to doing so. Lying to people about the benefits of giving up food that they'd otherwise enjoy is wrong and bad. And I know you're not actually lying, because you believe what you say to be true, but someone, somewhere along the line has spun a bunch of lies and/or misconceptions to sell a book.

What's most remarkable about the lies told to promote the paleo diet fad, is that you only have to have a 101 knowledge of palaeoanthropology to know it's a whole load of bull. The people promoting it haven't even studied palaeoanthropology. That ought to be a big fat red flag.
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go Neandermagnon!

The Mac Daddy Sisson also explains that when you have a high carb "cheat" day every so often it resets certain hormone levels and is actually good for you, resets hormone levels that burn fat so you get leaner.

ETA: The hormone reset research appears extensively in this book: The Man 2.0: Engineering the Alpha.

The Mac Daddy Sisson... I like that... I'm going to roll with it...

I find the "verbal gymnastics" that people do to fit paleo into their lifestyle rather amusing...Like well I am going to do Paleo 80% of the time during the week, but then on weekends I will have a "non-paleo day" and then be back at it on Monday"

or how there are like thirty different variations of it..

all rather amusing...

Assuming there were any benefits to Paleo, why the heck would you not just commit to it 100%?

Well if you are following primal then the 80/20 rule is part of the diet. You would not be following the diet properly if you didn't. (Exaggeration by the way).

But the mac daddy Sissons does build a 80/20 rule so if we do choose to go off reservation you don't loose your primal card (only mentioned that because you seem to think that's the only reason people choose to follow it).

I really am not being snarky …honestly….I just find it interesting that someone will list all of the purported benefits of "paleo" and then say but I only do it 80% of the time…if it is that beneficial wouldn't you do it 100% of the time or 95%….

just an interesting contradiction..

I eat about an 80% paleo diet, and have been for a bit over a month. I like it. It's fun.

It has completely made my mornings much better, I've lost weight, and my symptoms of gallstones have almost completely disappeared. I haven't had a single gallbladder attack since I switched over to paleo.

I enjoy making the effort to eat whole foods, I like eating meat, I am not a big fan of dairy, and I never really got carb flu, so I like it.

Hm, that actually surprises me. I figured with all of the high fat foods people would be more likely to have gallbladder flares (if already having problems).

His claim. "We have immense control through lifestyle behaviors to turn some genes on and other genes off for desired physical results."

The reality. This statement is ridiculous. We don't have the knowledge to control differential gene expression (turning genes on and off) for desired physical results. It's an extremely complex process and our knowledge is in its infancy.

His genetics claims all sounds lovely and "sciencey" but they're a lot of hogswallop.

Wow. Calling that an "oversimplification" of out CURRENT knowledge of genetic function is doing him an extreme kindness.

I do believe he is talking about gene expression! And yes he does conclude we are at a very early stage of understanding.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18396267?ordinalpos=15&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18381840?ordinalpos=21&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18240541?ordinalpos=98&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

I do primal and it works for me. I started strict Paleo and felt awesome. It was the only thing I found to help out with the extreme bouts of fatigue I was experiencing (which I now is related to a thyroid disorder). But wanted to see if I could add back in dairy without any adverse effects. There were none for me (no lactose or casein issues apparently), so I eat dairy as well -- generally cheese, cream and butter for cooking, sauces and/or garnish. I'm not much a legume fan, with the exception of peanuts, and I like almonds, macadamias, etc. just as much, if not more, than peanuts, so it's an easy switch. Peanuts are just cheaper and more convenient. Either way, I limit my nuts as a general rule as it's just so easy to overeat them.

I also opt for the 80/20 rule, probably for psychological reasons more than anything else as my diet actually ends up being more like 95/5. But, it feels good to me to have the occasional dark chocolate or something like that if I want to -- takes away the forbidden food idea.

If you really love grains, pasta, bread or legumes, it's probably not a good fit for you. But, if you're like me and those things aren't a big deal (and you end of feeling better not eating them -- which was a big surprise for me), then it can be a good fit. I still love my pasta sauces (I make a mean vodka sauce) and curries -- I just serve them over spaghetti squash or roasted cauliflower now instead of pasta or rice. And, let me tell you, roasted cauliflower is ridiculously filling -- I was sort of shocked by it.

I don't know why people pooh-pooh Paleo/Primal or keto so much on this site. They're all valid paths to the same place -- i.e. healthier living. Some appear to be threatened by the existence of equally valid paths. Still boggles my mind.

Not at all. Doctors still recommend Paleo diets to type 2 diabetes patients.

People with other issues are still benefiting from Paleo.

If you're healthy and happy, with no inclination to go Paleo, don't go Paleo.

I was pointing out the irony in the fact that it's the last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong, while everyone is repeating the mantra "Don't do Paleo unless something is wrong."

There is such a thing as preventative medicine.

I had reactive hypoglycemia in the past (a symptom of pre-diabetes.)

I went Paleo, now it's gone.

When I weighed 245 and had hypoglycemia, I was about a season away from being your next type 2 diabetes patient.

Knowing the diabetes runs in my family, I'm going to stay Paleo to prevent it.

Now I have no symptoms of anything diabetic, and probably never will, because I choose a healing diet that is recommended for type 2 diabetes patients.

:flowerforyou:

No doctor I know recommends Paleo and I've only recently worked in diabetes clinics in 2 different city hospitals.

Actually I've never heard of a specialist clinician recommending Paleo as a last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong.

That's pretty much my issue with Pale/Primal followers....the claims that the diet is superior from a health perspective. I'm yet to see the evidence (not n=1 evidence).

Maybe the issue is you have is inferiority complex. When people on this forum say that moderation and IIFYM is a great diet and superior I normal say - great whatever works for you.

I try not to support my beliefs by putting down others, I will however offer my beliefs up as a possible alternative, but never claim I'm right their wrong - it's a bit weak if you have to resort to that just to get your point across.

Not at all. Doctors still recommend Paleo diets to type 2 diabetes patients.

People with other issues are still benefiting from Paleo.

If you're healthy and happy, with no inclination to go Paleo, don't go Paleo.

I was pointing out the irony in the fact that it's the last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong, while everyone is repeating the mantra "Don't do Paleo unless something is wrong."

There is such a thing as preventative medicine.

I had reactive hypoglycemia in the past (a symptom of pre-diabetes.)

I went Paleo, now it's gone.

When I weighed 245 and had hypoglycemia, I was about a season away from being your next type 2 diabetes patient.

Knowing the diabetes runs in my family, I'm going to stay Paleo to prevent it.

Now I have no symptoms of anything diabetic, and probably never will, because I choose a healing diet that is recommended for type 2 diabetes patients.

:flowerforyou:

No doctor I know recommends Paleo and I've only recently worked in diabetes clinics in 2 different city hospitals.

Actually I've never heard of a specialist clinician recommending Paleo as a last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong.

That's pretty much my issue with Pale/Primal followers....the claims that the diet is superior from a health perspective. I'm yet to see the evidence (not n=1 evidence).

Maybe the issue is you have is inferiority complex. When people on this forum say that moderation and IIFYM is a great diet and superior I normal say - great whatever works for you.

I try not to support my beliefs by putting down others, I will however offer my beliefs up as a possible alternative, but never claim I'm right their wrong - it's a bit weak if you have to resort to that just to get your point across.

Inferiority complex? :laugh: That's a good one........it's funny how you always seem to resort to personal attacks when you can't think of anything else.

What do I have to feel inferior about? I've never discussed my way of eating.

I've also not heard people who recommend a balanced approach claim superior health benefits.

Inferiority complex - sorry but it's the only thing I can think of to explain yours and other need to push your way of eating onto others.

Of all the members on MFP who choose to eat LCHF very few every go onto threads which are aimed at people who eat IIFYM, moderation, vegan etc and try to push LCHF onto people, but I see it in every single LCHF (paleo, primal, Atkins etc) thread where you lot come on trying to push moderation onto us - your like JW's.

Sorry but were happy with what we are doing and don't want to buy your version of what a diet is (as good as it may be).

Not at all. Doctors still recommend Paleo diets to type 2 diabetes patients.

People with other issues are still benefiting from Paleo.

If you're healthy and happy, with no inclination to go Paleo, don't go Paleo.

I was pointing out the irony in the fact that it's the last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong, while everyone is repeating the mantra "Don't do Paleo unless something is wrong."

There is such a thing as preventative medicine.

I had reactive hypoglycemia in the past (a symptom of pre-diabetes.)

I went Paleo, now it's gone.

When I weighed 245 and had hypoglycemia, I was about a season away from being your next type 2 diabetes patient.

Knowing the diabetes runs in my family, I'm going to stay Paleo to prevent it.

Now I have no symptoms of anything diabetic, and probably never will, because I choose a healing diet that is recommended for type 2 diabetes patients.

:flowerforyou:

No doctor I know recommends Paleo and I've only recently worked in diabetes clinics in 2 different city hospitals.

Actually I've never heard of a specialist clinician recommending Paleo as a last ditch resort when something goes terribly wrong.

That's pretty much my issue with Pale/Primal followers....the claims that the diet is superior from a health perspective. I'm yet to see the evidence (not n=1 evidence).

Maybe the issue is you have is inferiority complex. When people on this forum say that moderation and IIFYM is a great diet and superior I normal say - great whatever works for you.

I try not to support my beliefs by putting down others, I will however offer my beliefs up as a possible alternative, but never claim I'm right their wrong - it's a bit weak if you have to resort to that just to get your point across.

Inferiority complex? :laugh: That's a good one........it's funny how you always seem to resort to personal attacks when you can't think of anything else.

What do I have to feel inferior about? I've never discussed my way of eating.

I've also not heard people who recommend a balanced approach claim superior health benefits.

Inferiority complex - sorry but it's the only thing I can think of to explain yours and other need to push your way of eating onto others.

Of all the members on MFP who choose to eat LCHF very few every go onto threads which are aimed at people who eat IIFYM, moderation, vegan etc and try to push LCHF onto people, but I see it in every single LCHF (paleo, primal, Atkins etc) thread where you lot come on trying to push moderation onto us - your like JW's.

Sorry but were happy with what we are doing and don't want to buy your version of what a diet is (as good as it may be).

I'm not trying to push anything onto you. I couldn't care less what you or others eat. I don't discuss how I eat.

However, the OP asked opinions of Paleo.

I have given my opinion on the lack of credibility of some of the reasoning behind primal/paleo, as have others. I have also provided my perspective on 'Drs put type 2 diabetics on Paleo and other conditions as a last resort' comments based on my experience of working in clinical roles and with clinician colleagues.

I haven't been rude or offensive to anyone on here. I have simply provided an opinion based on my education and professional experience. Perhaps it is of value to someone who asks an opinion on Paleo, perhaps not.

My question to you is why do you get so defensive and resort to personal attacks?

It's probably because of the accusations that all people on a paleo, primal diet strut about claiming to be superior - I haven't seen that. I certainly do not do that I find the accusation insulting.

So I would ask you - why do you feel the need to label everyone, who eats a different diet to others on MFP, that way?