Paleo.

I don't think I got stuck on the name Palaeo, I got stuck on the idea that you can't eat something because - because why exactly? Because it's not natural? Because you didn't pluck it from the ground slash grocery store and process it yourself?

Firstly, carbs have always, and will always, be a thing that people eat. Have you seen the teeth on cavemen? Meat, veggies and an absence of Colgate alone don't cause cavities THAT bad. And you can mill your own flour at home. All you need is wheat and two stones. Wheat wasn't invented by a pharmaceutical company in 10,000 BC. So I already eat like a caveman - opportunistically, ritualistically, and at my leisure.

I've read this whole thread so far, and beyond medical reasons (intolerances, etc), I have yet to see a convincing reason that certain foods should be eliminated from our diet. Plus my whole thing about believing modern food is fine and how we are all, as a predominantly western, internet-connected group of people, are more likely to die of old age than a bread or cake related incident.

Some people refer to broad beans as good food, I don't care what plant/universe their from they're just plain wrong. I don't even refer to broad beans as a food.

Hi guys! I heard about the Paleo diet a while back because my mother in law has lost a lot of weight and improved her health eating the Paleo/Primal Blueprint. In December I saw that my father in law was ablr to control his diabetes without meds eating Paleo/Blueprint and exercising. He writes down everything he eats and drinks, exersices and blood sugar levels. I saw it with my own eyes it works. He is not overweight!
Anyway I started eating Paleo/Blueprint in January. Overall I feel better. I do sleep better, my acne has become better and I do not get hungry as much. I also do not have bloating or gas anymore and I do not get tired after meals either.
I am supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D3 and magnesium.
I noticed some negative changes as well. One of them is ridges in my nails and I feel like I have some hair loss. Not balled spots but I feel like my hair is slightly thinner. I have been trying to lose weight for a while now but for some reason it is not happening. I consulted a doctor to help me figure out what is going on. I have tried many different things to lose weight. Low fat diet, juice fasting, I had a membership for the gym (which I used for several months) I did the Beachbody workout Insanity for several weeksand followed their nutrition guide and the high calories. I did not lose weight doing this so I restricted my calorie intake with the workout and tried this for several weeks...still no weight loss. I found out I had a very very low Vitamin D level. I started supplementing, my levels are very good now so it can not be the reason for my weight problems. From what I read People lose tons of weight eating Paleo/Blueprint. At first I did not count calories but since I did not lose weight I started tracking my food intake on my fitnesspal. I changed the ratio of fat/carb and carbs to the Paleo guidelines...still no weight loss. 5 weeks ago I started Beachbody T25 eating Paleo/Blueprint and the T25 recommended 1600 calories. It is slowly coming off...or maybe I am just flexuating. It is very frustrating! I got some of my blood work back and my cholesterol level is higher than normal, my glucose is lower than normal......and there are tow other levels which are not normal but I do not remember what thery were one of them is urea something.......I read that it can be normal to have these levels not be in the "normal" range due to the body trying to lose weight. As I understand the body doesnt have to deal with all the carbs therefore it will not convert carbs into fat and will not store fat. It burns your own body fat and you have more colesterol floating around in your blood stream. As you body weight stabilizes your cloesterol levels will get lower as well.
I have been a carb lover all my life and I could not imagine I could live on such little carbs. The truth is it is easier than I thought. My taste buds changed a lot. If I want a treat I allow myself a bowl of berries. Raspberries are my favorite. I whip up some heavy cream and put a tablespoon or two on top and sometimes some mini semi sweet chocolate chips and nuts. Or I have a little all natural chocolate ice cream. Most of my meals are super clean. I am only using good fats to cook like coconut oil or olive oil or butter. No legumens or grains. Every once in a while, maybe once a week I do allow myself a cheat like a hamburger or taccos. I still try to calculate it into my calorie and carb allownace for the day.
I am around 250 lbs with the hight of 5"5. I am 32 year old and a female. I am trying to aim for at 100 grams of Protein and between 50-100g of carbs each day. I am doing T25 5 days a week, at least I am trying.Fitnesspal has been calculating a about 20 lbs weight loss in 5 weeks for many months now.....it is not happening for me.
I am seing a Endocrinologist and nutritionist next months to get some lab work done. I will also see a sleep specialist.
I know this was a long post.....ok here is my thought on Paleo. I think it is bad to eat a lot of carbs due to your body messing with Insulin etc. The whole thought about gluten etc...I am not sure. I have been wondering if our body did not adapt to the modern style of eating. I personally feel like this diet makes me feel better. I stay full much longer. I actually do not feel like I am dieting. Before with low calorie and low carb I was always so hungry. I saw Peoples health improve and I saw people losing lots of weight. Ecen though I am not losing weight I feel that Paleo is a very healthy way of eating. If you think about it mostly everything is from scatch. Preffered is organic and grass fed so you are trying to avoid to feed the body with all sorts of hormones and chemicals. A high protein diet is recommended by almost everybody. Paleo is very similar to Atkins accept that it is natural...what can be wrong about eating healthy foods? The high fat intake obviously does not make people fat!

I don't think I got stuck on the name Palaeo, I got stuck on the idea that you can't eat something because - because why exactly? Because it's not natural? Because you didn't pluck it from the ground slash grocery store and process it yourself?

Firstly, carbs have always, and will always, be a thing that people eat. Have you seen the teeth on cavemen? Meat, veggies and an absence of Colgate alone don't cause cavities THAT bad. And you can mill your own flour at home. All you need is wheat and two stones. Wheat wasn't invented by a pharmaceutical company in 10,000 BC. So I already eat like a caveman - opportunistically, ritualistically, and at my leisure.

I've read this whole thread so far, and beyond medical reasons (intolerances, etc), I have yet to see a convincing reason that certain foods should be eliminated from our diet. Plus my whole thing about believing modern food is fine and how we are all, as a predominantly western, internet-connected group of people, are more likely to die of old age than a bread or cake related incident.

palaeolithic people's teeth were not that bad. A dental abscess can be fatal without medical intervention, should the infection spread beyond the infected tooth/root, so would represent a serious threat to survival. They probably didn't mill flour - that's more neolithic and neolithic people's teeth were in a worse state than palaeolithic peoples' although the likely culprit wasn't so much flour, it was the narrow range of the diet... palaeolithic people ate a little of whatever they could get when it was in season (including wild grains and legumes), while neolithic people relied on large quantities of dietary staples that came from their crops, so had a narrower diet and were more at risk of vitamin and mineral deficiency, which likely led to weaker bones and teeth.

anyway, I don't eat paleo (honey with bee larvae still in it isn't my thing), I just like to try to insert a little bit of science into these threads here and there :laugh:

I don't think I got stuck on the name Palaeo, I got stuck on the idea that you can't eat something because - because why exactly? Because it's not natural? Because you didn't pluck it from the ground slash grocery store and process it yourself?

Firstly, carbs have always, and will always, be a thing that people eat. Have you seen the teeth on cavemen? Meat, veggies and an absence of Colgate alone don't cause cavities THAT bad. And you can mill your own flour at home. All you need is wheat and two stones. Wheat wasn't invented by a pharmaceutical company in 10,000 BC. So I already eat like a caveman - opportunistically, ritualistically, and at my leisure.

I've read this whole thread so far, and beyond medical reasons (intolerances, etc), I have yet to see a convincing reason that certain foods should be eliminated from our diet. Plus my whole thing about believing modern food is fine and how we are all, as a predominantly western, internet-connected group of people, are more likely to die of old age than a bread or cake related incident.

palaeolithic people's teeth were not that bad. A dental abscess can be fatal without medical intervention, should the infection spread beyond the infected tooth/root, so would represent a serious threat to survival. They probably didn't mill flour - that's more neolithic and neolithic people's teeth were in a worse state than palaeolithic peoples' although the likely culprit wasn't so much flour, it was the narrow range of the diet... palaeolithic people ate a little of whatever they could get when it was in season (including wild grains and legumes), while neolithic people relied on large quantities of dietary staples that came from their crops, so had a narrower diet and were more at risk of vitamin and mineral deficiency, which likely led to weaker bones and teeth.

anyway, I don't eat paleo (honey with bee larvae still in it isn't my thing), I just like to try to insert a little bit of science into these threads here and there :laugh:

I prefer to call it a little bit of realism

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thank you.

I am sure they didn't eat carbs/sugars in the same amount we do, but I have yet to see much in the way of evidence that they didn't eat their fair share of it. The way I was taught, was that early modern humans were just as capable and willing as us to make their lives easier by manipulating and processing their environment. From burning down areas to encourage growth of preferred plants on purpose, and small amounts of planting and weeding, to complex cooking of unfavourable ingredients to make them more digestable. So I'd have a hard time excluding any one thing from their diet.

I like discussing this stuff, I don't even care about crazy fad dieters any more. Man, it's been years, and now I remember why it was my favourite subject.

I am sure they didn't eat carbs/sugars in the same amount we do, but I have yet to see much in the way of evidence that they didn't eat their fair share of it. The way I was taught, was that early modern humans were just as capable and willing as us to make their lives easier by manipulating and processing their environment. From burning down areas to encourage growth of preferred plants on purpose, and small amounts of planting and weeding, to complex cooking of unfavourable ingredients to make them more digestable. So I'd have a hard time excluding any one thing from their diet.

I like discussing this stuff, I don't even care about crazy fad dieters any more. Man, it's been years, and now I remember why it was my favourite subject.

I think a whole tribe of paleolithic people would have delighted to have found a honey tree and gobbled it up. But they didn't find a honey tree every day. The problem is that we are finding honey trees every day in the modern world. When agriculture came on the scene, humans began to get fat (at least those who had access to plentiful supplies of food). Slaves were never fat because they were given barely enough food to sustain them. But the wealthy landowners and nobility were often very fat, if they ate and drank immoderately (think of King Henry VIII). Ultimately, the answer to obesity is moderation but the addictive nature of some foods makes moderation VERY difficult for some people. The Paleo diet helps them to eat moderately.

Wheat tends to make people fat, yes. But any food that raises blood sugar precipitously (as wheat and/or sugary foods do) will tend to make many people fat. So, unless you want to look like you ate an enormous doughnut and it settled around your waist, it is best to limit both wheat and sugar to an occasional indulgence (and by that, I mean once a month or less). Wheat contains gliadin (a component of wheat gluten) and amylopectin-A. Both are highly addictive. For myself, I never eat either wheat or added sugar. Formerly, I ate a lot of "healthy whole grains" even while following a calorie-restricted diet (read low-fat). It was not sustainable for me and I always reverted to eating "normally" and gaining the weight back (plus more). I have been eating lower carb--about 100--120 grams of carbs per day--(I eat everything but added sugar and wheat). I eat a bit of oats and rye in moderation. I have been following this plan for about three years. I have lost 66 pounds, and have not once regained an ounce in that three years. That is a first for me. While Paleo is a bit too restrictive for me, I recognize it is an essential diet for some people who have a severe problem with a deranged metabolism.

Wheat tends to make people fat, yes. But any food that raises blood sugar precipitously (as wheat and/or sugary foods do) will tend to make many people fat. So, unless you want to look like you ate an enormous doughnut and it settled around your waist, it is best to limit both wheat and sugar to an occasional indulgence (and by that, I mean once a month or less). Wheat contains gliadin (a component of wheat gluten) and amylopectin-A. Both are highly addictive. For myself, I never eat either wheat or added sugar. Formerly, I ate a lot of "healthy whole grains" even while following a calorie-restricted diet (read low-fat). It was not sustainable for me and I always reverted to eating "normally" and gaining the weight back (plus more). I have been eating lower carb--about 100--120 grams of carbs per day--(I eat everything but added sugar and wheat). I eat a bit of oats and rye in moderation. I have been following this plan for about three years. I have lost 66 pounds, and have not once regained an ounce in that three years. That is a first for me. While Paleo is a bit too restrictive for me, I recognize it is an essential diet for some people who have a severe problem with a deranged metabolism.