OK Ladies...Be HONEST!!

I agree with what you are saying. But people putting me in a rap-ist catagory is wrong. The OP asked for an honest opinion, I gave it. I have read everyone's opinion. Is it so hard to read one that is a little harder to swallow?

No one is calling you a rapist.

It's not about a "hard to swallow" opinion. It's about dangerous rhetoric that can be taken the wrong way by a bad person. It's shocking to me that, as a woman, you can't understand this.

If a woman says she doesn't like the attention, then it's best that everyone assumes she doesn't like the attention. Then there is no confusion and no potential harm. Period. End of story.

Who said I don't understand? I do. Not one person on this site has walked in my shoes...do not be so ready to judge me.

I agree with what you are saying. But people putting me in a rap-ist catagory is wrong. The OP asked for an honest opinion, I gave it. I have read everyone's opinion. Is it so hard to read one that is a little harder to swallow?

No one is calling you a rapist.

It's not about a "hard to swallow" opinion. It's about dangerous rhetoric that can be taken the wrong way by a bad person. It's shocking to me that, as a woman, you can't understand this.

If a woman says she doesn't like the attention, then it's best that everyone assumes she doesn't like the attention. Then there is no confusion and no potential harm. Period. End of story.

Who said I don't understand? I do. Not one person on this site has walked in my shoes...do not be so ready to judge me.

There is also unwanted female attention. Crazy stalker women. Its more prevalent in men than women but does exist. True also that just because you are older doesn't make you smarter or wiser. Cutting on someones generation and blaming it for the problems of todays world is wrong. Without it where would you be, more positives than negatives I'd bet. Plus just because you are younger doe not make you a know it all even when you think you do.

Ask any 12 year old boy with a cell phone whether there are more crazy male stalker than crazy female stalkers.

Maybe we should start a thread asking men if they like it...be honest now. And if they don't like it, why don't they attend all male schools?

There is also unwanted female attention. Crazy stalker women. Its more prevalent in men than women but does exist. True also that just because you are older doesn't make you smarter or wiser. Cutting on someones generation and blaming it for the problems of todays world is wrong. Without it where would you be, more positives than negatives I'd bet. Plus just because you are younger doe not make you a know it all even when you think you do.

Ask any 12 year old boy with a cell phone whether there are more crazy male stalker than crazy female stalkers.

Maybe we should start a thread asking men if they like it...be honest now. And if they don't like it, why don't they attend all male schools?

I just said its more prevalent in men?????????? Helloooo

I don't care for it myself and have been stalked at other gyms. I just go to my gym and get my workout done.

Lol ...ok dear. I'm a mother, and a grandmother. I've been around a while. I'm not saying all women lie. I'm saying a lot of girls do. Let's play nice now. Have a nice day:)

You're confusing age with wisdom. One doesn't necessarily lead to the other. You may be older than the average person here, but that doesn't make you more intelligent. From the tone of your posts it only goes to show how far we've come at combating the horrible stereotypes of past generations.

Well like I mentioned before, I do believe women lie. However I apologize for my English as I am a foreigner. You are assuming I am being mean, horrible, a nasty person to all women...I'm not. Young women do tend to stretch the truth. Men lie too. No group is off limits. People lie.

I think the problem here is the context in which you are saying women lie. If I tell a man that I don't want him to leer at me, pursue me, kiss me, grab me and so on, and so forth, then I absolutely mean it. If said man thinks I'm lying and thinks I really like the unwanted attention, where does it stop?

By saying that women are lying when they say they don't want this type of attention, you are basically setting us up for a potentially scary situation. Because, no not all men act like this. But, yes, all women have either had to defend themselves or know of someone who has had to defend themselves from unwanted male attention.

Exactly. This is the problem. You are saying "Women lie. They DO like attention at the gym."

The next step could be: "Women lie. They DO like it when men grab their *kitten* on at the bar."

Followed by: "Women lie. They DO like it when men force them to have sex."

See, the problem? And of course, no, it doesn't always progress that way. But the one, or one hundred times it does, is enough to dictate that we don't say things like this, or make assumptions like this.

As the person who started this post....This is for sure not where I thought this would go. I was not inquiring about rape culture! But I guess in the overly sensitive world in which we now live I should have saw this coming.

You asked whether women liked attention.

You assumed that we weren't going to be honest.

You suggested that, if we didn't like it, we would go to all-female gyms.

Examine your premises.

I never suggested that you go to all female gyms.... I just said that if it was a major issue that there would be more of them. I am happy with the honesty.

As the person who started this post....This is for sure not where I thought this would go. I was not inquiring about rape culture! But I guess in the overly sensitive world in which we now live I should have saw this coming.

The debate has morphed off of your original post. We know you weren't inquiring about rape culture.

When a woman states on a public forum that women lie when they say they don't want unsolicited male attention, it's going to be addressed by the other women in the thread. It's not about being oversensitive, it's about being very clear for the sake of others that this claim simply isn't true.

When you need go running with a rape whistle in you hand, then we can talk about over sensitivity. Ok?

I feel for you, I really do! I don't think the rape whistle has anything to do with woman lying. The older lady I believe was only speaking on the subject I posted and not on general safety of women. Its a horrible world out there but was also have to try not to be so paranoid as to not be able to enjoy it. Just because I enjoy the form and beauty of a woman does NOT in any way mean my thinking is leaning anywhere towards rape. Maybe I'm missing something in these posts. Just to make a point, rapists are sick people and rape really has almost nothing to do with sex. Its all about having the power.

Lol ...ok dear. I'm a mother, and a grandmother. I've been around a while. I'm not saying all women lie. I'm saying a lot of girls do. Let's play nice now. Have a nice day:)

You're confusing age with wisdom. One doesn't necessarily lead to the other. You may be older than the average person here, but that doesn't make you more intelligent. From the tone of your posts it only goes to show how far we've come at combating the horrible stereotypes of past generations.

Well like I mentioned before, I do believe women lie. However I apologize for my English as I am a foreigner. You are assuming I am being mean, horrible, a nasty person to all women...I'm not. Young women do tend to stretch the truth. Men lie too. No group is off limits. People lie.

I think the problem here is the context in which you are saying women lie. If I tell a man that I don't want him to leer at me, pursue me, kiss me, grab me and so on, and so forth, then I absolutely mean it. If said man thinks I'm lying and thinks I really like the unwanted attention, where does it stop?

By saying that women are lying when they say they don't want this type of attention, you are basically setting us up for a potentially scary situation. Because, no not all men act like this. But, yes, all women have either had to defend themselves or know of someone who has had to defend themselves from unwanted male attention.

Exactly. This is the problem. You are saying "Women lie. They DO like attention at the gym."

The next step could be: "Women lie. They DO like it when men grab their *kitten* on at the bar."

Followed by: "Women lie. They DO like it when men force them to have sex."

See, the problem? And of course, no, it doesn't always progress that way. But the one, or one hundred times it does, is enough to dictate that we don't say things like this, or make assumptions like this.

As the person who started this post....This is for sure not where I thought this would go. I was not inquiring about rape culture! But I guess in the overly sensitive world in which we now live I should have saw this coming.

You asked whether women liked attention.

You assumed that we weren't going to be honest.

You suggested that, if we didn't like it, we would go to all-female gyms.

Examine your premises.

I never suggested that you go to all female gyms.... I just said that if it was a major issue that there would be more of them. I am happy with the honesty.

As the person who started this post....This is for sure not where I thought this would go. I was not inquiring about rape culture! But I guess in the overly sensitive world in which we now live I should have saw this coming.

Of course not. You most likely don't really know what "rape culture" is. You are assuming it's just people being "overly sensitive". Have you read this yet? Really. Read it. It's written by a man.

https://medium.com/human-parts/a-gentlemens-guide-to-rape-culture-7fc86c50dc4c

Some highlights:

I don’t know about you, but I don’t spend much of my life feeling vulnerable. I’ve come to learn that women spend most of their social lives with ever-present, unavoidable feelings of vulnerability. Stop and think about that. Imagine always feeling like you could be at risk, like you were living with glass skin.

I rarely ever fear for my safety. Many men know exactly what I mean. Most women have no idea what that feels like — to go wherever you want in the world, at any time of day or night, and feel you won’t have a problem. In fact, many women have the exact opposite experience.

A woman must consider where she is going, what time of day it is, what time she will arrive at her destination and what time she will leave her destination, what day of the week is it, if she will be left alone at any point … the considerations go on and on because they are far more numerous than you or I can imagine. Honestly, I can’t conceive of having to think that much about what I need to do to protect myself at any given moment in my life. I relish the freedom of getting up and going, day or night, rain or shine, Westside or downtown. As men we can enjoy this particular extreme luxury of movement and freedom of choice. In order to understand rape culture, remember this is a freedom that at least half the population doesn’t enjoy.

I'll pass on reading it. I have no issues in my life with how I treat women. I have pretty much always been considerate of anyones feelings. ( man or woman) When I started this post .... rape culture had nothing at all to do with it.

As the person who started this post....This is for sure not where I thought this would go. I was not inquiring about rape culture! But I guess in the overly sensitive world in which we now live I should have saw this coming.

The debate has morphed off of your original post. We know you weren't inquiring about rape culture.

When a woman states on a public forum that women lie when they say they don't want unsolicited male attention, it's going to be addressed by the other women in the thread. It's not about being oversensitive, it's about being very clear for the sake of others that this claim simply isn't true.

When you need go running with a rape whistle in you hand, then we can talk about over sensitivity. Ok?

I feel for you, I really do! I don't think the rape whistle has anything to do with woman lying. The older lady I believe was only speaking on the subject I posted and not on general safety of women. Its a horrible world out there but was also have to try not to be so paranoid as to not be able to enjoy it. Just because I enjoy the form and beauty of a woman does NOT in any way mean my thinking is leaning anywhere towards rape. Maybe I'm missing something in these posts. Just to make a point, rapists are sick people and rape really has almost nothing to do with sex. Its all about having the power.