Do you believe in strictly Calories In - Calories Out?

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Yes, because our body does not utilize every calorie the same.

You seriously have got to be the worst poster I have seen on MFP in a long time. You always just throw out opinions with no substance. Ever. EVER.

No you need to study my friend.

http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html

It's not my opinion. I have done many years of research on the subject, and do not have the time or inclination to post every research document that I have read over the 35+ years. CICO is wrong. Quality of foods matter, because we metabolize them differently.

You do not need to agree with me, but you need to stick to the subject matter without attacking me personally.

Why are we supposed to stick to your 'facts' when you don't wish back them up? I suppose that all of your knowledge comes from peer reviewed scientific research articles? Or does it come from opinion blogs? These are important distinctions. The fact that you don't even know that CICO does NOT mean food quality doesn't matter is very telling to me.

If you read my other posts on MFP you will see that I have posted many research data, so I do back up what I'm saying. CICO is wrong.

There aren't any studies that prove it wrong, if so please present it..........we'll wait

Why Calories Count
The Science Behind Why Calories Matter - And Why Dismissing Them Is Naive
http://ca.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding/why-calories-count.html

"Aragon told me that no such study exists that shows people being overfed and losing weight. What’s more, there is no study in existence that shows people being underfed and not losing weight. "

Here is one: http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/

I think you need to do some research on the difference between a scientific study and an opinion. It may help you

Wrong Harvard is not an opinion source.

http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html

Yeah actually, that is an opinion source written by someone named Charlotte on a commercial website called thegreatfitness experiment. It is not a study. It mentions a "study" but when you click the link rather than take you to an actual study it takes you to another internet opinion piece by someone named Jane Brody in which a "Harvard study" is mentioned but not cited.

Where is the actual study? Did you read the actual study?

How is this my friend:

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

Okay I did some digging on pubmed with those authors mentioned in the opinion article and came up with this study published in JAMA in 2012.

Is this the study you are referring to?

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154

Have you read it?

This may be the study metioned in the Harvard gazette article, but it's not the study mentioned in thegreatfitnessexperiment article. There were not 120,000+ participants in this study. The Nurse's Health Study is likely what is refered to originally.

I read a lot of publications from Harvard, and they do often state that not all calories are created equal. But, they usually mean from a health perspective or, for weight loss, from a satiety and sustainability perspective. It is not their stance that fat loss does not require a calorie deficit.

http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/




http://www.gnolls.org/3374/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body/


http://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/calories.htm


http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/

http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/

Another article, not a study. Geesh.

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http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/

It say BLOG right in the link... You're not even trying. Are you just trolling?

I certainly hope so...

In anticipation of her next article, I've taken the liberty of creating this link: http://bit.ly/1lOjSgT

(psst... the first thing it turns up is that last blog post, lol)

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More data:


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?pagewanted=all


Click here to learn more about the study or go to abcnews.go.com/Health/calorie-calorie-harvard-study-compares-popular-weight-loss/story?id=16654506 .

Do you even know what a study is. ALL of your links are to opinion pieces in newspapers.

And they ALL link to, refer to, or allude to, the exact same thing.

http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/

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When you all show me your scientific data that cico is fact I will show you more scientific data.





ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the claim that something that is common knowledge is false.

SIDE NOTE This could the first time I make a comment about how bad a poster is and that person goes ahead and reinforces my claim by doing one hell of a job giving 1 or 2 word responses or copy paste of articles NOT STUDIES, that have no value.

Well played.......oh wait.

ON YOU WITH YOUR DOGMA!


http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/

Relevant figure from the 1964 metabolic study conducted by Kinsell et al.



Alterations in macronutrient ratios made no difference on rate of weight loss over a 3 month period when subject was in a completely controlled environment. This study was done in a hospital under completely controlled conditions, subject only ate what was given to them by the study coordinators...it was not a "survey".

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http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/

Still an article, not a study. Give. It. Up.

You are wrong !!!!!!!!


http://thecaloriemythbook.com/medicalreviews/

Studies have data. They have figures. They have an author list. They have citations.

What they don't have is ads along the side of the page on a commercial website.

Once again, that is not a study.

Get scientific fact and show me " how a diet fool of doughnuts are good for you!"