Judging people and their weight

Just watched a show on TV where this "Doctor" is saying that people are fat because they want to be. That is such BS. I don't know one person, including myself, who wakes up every morning and says...."Hey, I want to stuff my face and be fat, so that people can stare at me, and judge me". Some of these doctors are complete idiots. Being fat is NOT the problem with most people. It's just a symptom of the problem. Many people eat excessively because of emotional issues, depression, loneliness, to find comfort etc. It makes me angry that people are so quick to judge others without knowing their story or walking even a block in their shoes. Hate it!

Which does bring me back to my point. You're not accurately recording what you eat. I get it. I've been there. But if you're not losing weight at 1700 then you are eating too much. It's that simple.

I weigh everything, my diary is 100% accurate. If I'm not losing weight at 1700 something's WRONG. In anyone else they would be losing, not gaining, not maintaining. Which is what my point was to begin with :grumble:

actually no you don't.

Looked at your diary...
January over some, not weighed mostly measured, missed days on end, partial days
Feb mostly not logged, items not weighed,
March partial days, most days not logged, when you did log it wasn't weighed mostly
sporatic logging at best in march at the start of the month
nothing on the days I clicked in april (about 1/2 of them)

no logging at all in June. Started July 13...often over goal, cup measurments oz weights (which are inaccurate).

I was heavy and yo yo'd for almost 20 years...I have no excuses for it other than eating too much and not moving enough.

No medical condition if in a deficit will prevent weight loss...and this is a perfect example of what the doctors were saying.

If you don't want to be over weight then don't be. It is not easy but it can be done.

I don't judge those who are actively trying to lose weight and are being honest with themselves about it. I don't judge those who aren't actively trying either I just feel bad for them.

I haven't been using MFP to log. I had sometimes been using it to check macro nutrients per my doc's request but haven't started using MFP to be my log until July. I've been keeping a paper diary. And no, they're not cup measurements it's just how it's entered into MFP. Example: 1/2 a cup of ice cream is 62 grams. I'm using my scale to measure out the grams but MFP is logging it in cups or ounces. Still the same stats but when I log it, it comes up with a different unit of measurement even though that's EXACTLY what's on the box. I've been over my goal 3 times. And, again, still under 2000 cals except for yesterday. That shouldn't cause someone my size to gain weight.

Hey there OP: I'm actually quite happy being on the heavier side as long as I feel awesome and don't have any major health issues. Previous to a few months ago I was fine with being active, and being just shy of 200lbs. I had pretty much given up on diet/ exercise except to stay happy and control my depression symptoms (works quite well that way!) It wasn't until I gained a massive amount of weight out of nowhere that I started to become unhappy.

Between Adenomyosis, needing a hysterectomy, 2 csections, THEN my gallbladder got infected THEN my appendix also got infected.... oh and have I talked about the surgery I had for adhesions? Top it all off no ovaries means my adrenal glands are acting all nuts now too. I've been trying for YEARS to get the proper diagnosis besides "you're just fat, go on a diet". Finally got my answer yesterday with a proper diagnosis of Hashimoto's Hypothyroidisim with possible prediabetic comorbidity

Not sure where to start here. I once lost 80lbs. This was about 4 years ago. Pop out a kid, have a few surgeries and bam, I'm up 60lbs again *sigh* Sunday was my baby's 3rd birthday. I just about vomitted when I saw pics of myself. The problem is I KNOW how to do this. But Monday I found my diet log from back then... on paper. And I realized, damn I really DID eat a LOT differently. AND I exercised almost daily. It was almost mind blowing because I kept saying, well I don't do anything *that* differently. And, hell I really do do things very differently.

I go out almost every weekend. What I started doing is instead of the 6+ drinks I used to have I now drink water in between so it's cut down to 2-3 drinks. Still quite a few calories but if I know I'm going out I won't eat as heavily during the daytime either.

-I haven't always been in a calorie deficit. I started logging consistantly to show my doctors that I wasn't over eating. Then since my hormones got balanced I decided to try again with restricting calories because I should be able to function like a normal human being now. But I've kept a food journal consistantly for 3 years. Which really helped last year because I gained 60lbs out of nowhere and my doctor didnt' believe that I wasn't overeating until I showed him my journal. Turns out I had a huge tumor on my thyroid and my thyroid wasn't fucntioning right. Looooooooong story. But my new doc wants to see the macros so that's why I started logging here recently.

Which does bring me back to my point. You're not accurately recording what you eat. I get it. I've been there. But if you're not losing weight at 1700 then you are eating too much. It's that simple.

I weigh everything, my diary is 100% accurate. If I'm not losing weight at 1700 something's WRONG. In anyone else they would be losing, not gaining, not maintaining. Which is what my point was to begin with :grumble:

actually no you don't.

Looked at your diary...
January over some, not weighed mostly measured, missed days on end, partial days
Feb mostly not logged, items not weighed,
March partial days, most days not logged, when you did log it wasn't weighed mostly
sporatic logging at best in march at the start of the month
nothing on the days I clicked in april (about 1/2 of them)

no logging at all in June. Started July 13...often over goal, cup measurments oz weights (which are inaccurate).

I was heavy and yo yo'd for almost 20 years...I have no excuses for it other than eating too much and not moving enough.

No medical condition if in a deficit will prevent weight loss...and this is a perfect example of what the doctors were saying.

If you don't want to be over weight then don't be. It is not easy but it can be done.

I don't judge those who are actively trying to lose weight and are being honest with themselves about it. I don't judge those who aren't actively trying either I just feel bad for them.

I haven't been using MFP to log. I had sometimes been using it to check macro nutrients per my doc's request but haven't started using MFP to be my log until July. I've been keeping a paper diary. And no, they're not cup measurements it's just how it's entered into MFP. Example: 1/2 a cup of ice cream is 62 grams. I'm using my scale to measure out the grams but MFP is logging it in cups or ounces. Still the same stats but when I log it, it comes up with a different unit of measurement even though that's EXACTLY what's on the box. I've been over my goal 3 times. And, again, still under 2000 cals except for yesterday. That shouldn't cause someone my size to gain weight.

I am not going to argue this point past this post.

Based on your diary from January 2014 to today you have used MFP to log in Jan, some of feb, some of mar none in april none in june some in july and now in august. So you have used it somewhat for logging.

As for your measurments it doesn't matter 1/2 cup <>62grams and choosing correct entires is as important as weighing. I do not use the entries that are not in grams even my own recipes are in grams. As for being over your goal without the log in MFP who knows....

If you are gaining weight you are NOT in a deficit...period. Simple math and physics and until the world of science is turned upside down thems the facts.

but these sort of explain a whole lot to me anyway. I mean I could go on with these but I won't...there are more. Even the fact you ate out 2x and lost 4lbs...I see a lot of back and forth with you...but until people are ready to accept what they are doing they will remain the same.

Hey there OP: I'm actually quite happy being on the heavier side as long as I feel awesome and don't have any major health issues. Previous to a few months ago I was fine with being active, and being just shy of 200lbs. I had pretty much given up on diet/ exercise except to stay happy and control my depression symptoms (works quite well that way!) It wasn't until I gained a massive amount of weight out of nowhere that I started to become unhappy.

Between Adenomyosis, needing a hysterectomy, 2 csections, THEN my gallbladder got infected THEN my appendix also got infected.... oh and have I talked about the surgery I had for adhesions? Top it all off no ovaries means my adrenal glands are acting all nuts now too. I've been trying for YEARS to get the proper diagnosis besides "you're just fat, go on a diet". Finally got my answer yesterday with a proper diagnosis of Hashimoto's Hypothyroidisim with possible prediabetic comorbidity

Not sure where to start here. I once lost 80lbs. This was about 4 years ago. Pop out a kid, have a few surgeries and bam, I'm up 60lbs again *sigh* Sunday was my baby's 3rd birthday. I just about vomitted when I saw pics of myself. The problem is I KNOW how to do this. But Monday I found my diet log from back then... on paper. And I realized, damn I really DID eat a LOT differently. AND I exercised almost daily. It was almost mind blowing because I kept saying, well I don't do anything *that* differently. And, hell I really do do things very differently.

I go out almost every weekend. What I started doing is instead of the 6+ drinks I used to have I now drink water in between so it's cut down to 2-3 drinks. Still quite a few calories but if I know I'm going out I won't eat as heavily during the daytime either.

-I haven't always been in a calorie deficit. I started logging consistantly to show my doctors that I wasn't over eating. Then since my hormones got balanced I decided to try again with restricting calories because I should be able to function like a normal human being now. But I've kept a food journal consistantly for 3 years. Which really helped last year because I gained 60lbs out of nowhere and my doctor didnt' believe that I wasn't overeating until I showed him my journal. Turns out I had a huge tumor on my thyroid and my thyroid wasn't fucntioning right. Looooooooong story. But my new doc wants to see the macros so that's why I started logging here recently.

I posted above about weighing. Seriously, weigh everything. You should also be focusing on lean meats, dairy, and eggs as your primary protein sources if you eat them (and it appears that you do). Those protein sources and vegetables should be making up the vast majority of your diet. Peanut butter is fine on days when you need to hit your fat macro but don't look at it as a protein source. It is a fat source. Fat is necessary. Also, keep your popcorn and candy consumption at a small amount of your daily total. At 1700 calories, 400-500 calories of that is crowding out protein and fiber. Keep at it, weigh and measure, clean up your diet a bit, and finally, start strength training.

I weigh everything. I have this wonderful little red scale that goes right in my purse to work with me if I didn't weigh everything the night before. I'm working on the cleaning it up I have a sugar problem. I crave it like crazy so I try to fit it in. Now with the strength training, I plan on throwing in a day there a week when I get a little stronger. Trying to stick to one thing before I throw in something new.

The advantage to strength training is that it will allow you to keep muscle mass as you lose weight so that more of what you lose is fat. It should be done at least 3 days a week. I hear what you're saying about sticking with things though, but think about it, as it does work. We all like sugar. Just reduce it a bit, I'm certainly not saying eliminate it as that's not sustainable for many of us. The only problem with sugar is when too much is consumed as it crowds out other nutrients and/or causes you to exceed your calorie goal.

Also, with regard to weight gain and loss, keep in mind that daily fluctuations are normal and largely do to food consumption, using the restroom, and water. When you weigh yourself do it at the same time and under the same conditions every time you weigh, and focus only on the trend line. My own weight varies by 4 to 5 pounds throughout the day.

Yeah I weigh myself in the AM every morning same time, after I use the toilet. I'm honestly worried about doing any strength training because of chronic pain. I've actually been hurting myself pretty bad with the running and walking so it's really hard for me to say "OK, I'm going to add in weight that I know is going to hurt badly for several days after on top of already hurting badly".

I posted above about weighing. Seriously, weigh everything. You should also be focusing on lean meats, dairy, and eggs as your primary protein sources if you eat them (and it appears that you do). Those protein sources and vegetables should be making up the vast majority of your diet. Peanut butter is fine on days when you need to hit your fat macro but don't look at it as a protein source. It is a fat source. Fat is necessary. Also, keep your popcorn and candy consumption at a small amount of your daily total. At 1700 calories, 400-500 calories of that is crowding out protein and fiber. Keep at it, weigh and measure, clean up your diet a bit, and finally, start strength training.

I weigh everything. I have this wonderful little red scale that goes right in my purse to work with me if I didn't weigh everything the night before. I'm working on the cleaning it up I have a sugar problem. I crave it like crazy so I try to fit it in. Now with the strength training, I plan on throwing in a day there a week when I get a little stronger. Trying to stick to one thing before I throw in something new.

The advantage to strength training is that it will allow you to keep muscle mass as you lose weight so that more of what you lose is fat. It should be done at least 3 days a week. I hear what you're saying about sticking with things though, but think about it, as it does work. We all like sugar. Just reduce it a bit, I'm certainly not saying eliminate it as that's not sustainable for many of us. The only problem with sugar is when too much is consumed as it crowds out other nutrients and/or causes you to exceed your calorie goal.

Also, with regard to weight gain and loss, keep in mind that daily fluctuations are normal and largely do to food consumption, using the restroom, and water. When you weigh yourself do it at the same time and under the same conditions every time you weigh, and focus only on the trend line. My own weight varies by 4 to 5 pounds throughout the day.

Yeah I weigh myself in the AM every morning same time, after I use the toilet. I'm honestly worried about doing any strength training because of chronic pain. I've actually been hurting myself pretty bad with the running and walking so it's really hard for me to say "OK, I'm going to add in weight that I know is going to hurt badly for several days after on top of already hurting badly".

could you swap the running for the strength training instead, might hurt less.

I posted above about weighing. Seriously, weigh everything. You should also be focusing on lean meats, dairy, and eggs as your primary protein sources if you eat them (and it appears that you do). Those protein sources and vegetables should be making up the vast majority of your diet. Peanut butter is fine on days when you need to hit your fat macro but don't look at it as a protein source. It is a fat source. Fat is necessary. Also, keep your popcorn and candy consumption at a small amount of your daily total. At 1700 calories, 400-500 calories of that is crowding out protein and fiber. Keep at it, weigh and measure, clean up your diet a bit, and finally, start strength training.

I weigh everything. I have this wonderful little red scale that goes right in my purse to work with me if I didn't weigh everything the night before. I'm working on the cleaning it up I have a sugar problem. I crave it like crazy so I try to fit it in. Now with the strength training, I plan on throwing in a day there a week when I get a little stronger. Trying to stick to one thing before I throw in something new.

The advantage to strength training is that it will allow you to keep muscle mass as you lose weight so that more of what you lose is fat. It should be done at least 3 days a week. I hear what you're saying about sticking with things though, but think about it, as it does work. We all like sugar. Just reduce it a bit, I'm certainly not saying eliminate it as that's not sustainable for many of us. The only problem with sugar is when too much is consumed as it crowds out other nutrients and/or causes you to exceed your calorie goal.

Also, with regard to weight gain and loss, keep in mind that daily fluctuations are normal and largely do to food consumption, using the restroom, and water. When you weigh yourself do it at the same time and under the same conditions every time you weigh, and focus only on the trend line. My own weight varies by 4 to 5 pounds throughout the day.

Yeah I weigh myself in the AM every morning same time, after I use the toilet. I'm honestly worried about doing any strength training because of chronic pain. I've actually been hurting myself pretty bad with the running and walking so it's really hard for me to say "OK, I'm going to add in weight that I know is going to hurt badly for several days after on top of already hurting badly".

could you swap the running for the strength training instead, might hurt less.

Strength training aggravates the crap out of my core. I have pretty severe adhesions (scar tissue) in my tummy ranging from just under my rib cage to the top of my hips. Anything that engages or moves the muscles there hurts like hell.

That was in no way taking things out of context. You said those things, your own writing, to show you how inconsistent you are. The only thing you are being consistent with is deflecting personal responsibility. Some people will figure out the solution and succeed. Some people with play the role of the victim and people will approach them in a sensitive way, messaging their feeling to show some empathy while at the same time enabling them to continue throwing pity parties. We all have a choice to decide which individual we are, no matter what medical barriers or personal problems we face.

That was in no way taking things out of context. You said those things, your own writing, to show you how inconsistent you are. The only thing you are being consistent with is deflecting personal responsibility. Some people will figure out the solution and succeed. Some people with play the role of the victim and people will approach them in a sensitive way, messaging their feeling to show some empathy while at the same time enabling them to continue throwing pity parties. We all have a choice to decide which individual we are, no matter what medical barriers or personal problems we face.

Cute puppy MrM

I will say thank you even though knowing you that comment isn't the slightest sincere. But yes he's awesome.

No such thing as naturally thin. No such thing as naturally fat. If you overeat you get fat. The only valid medical issue for obsesity isPrader-Willis and even then they're not fat because of the disease but the food they're eating.

Excuses about exercise are irrelevant. Losing weight doesn't need exercise. You can lose weight without exercising at all.

If you are overweight or obese you are eating too much. It is that simple. No study has been shown to disprove that. (Maintaining is harder and studies have shown that but it's still possible)

You think that's the only "valid" medical issue for obesity? Think again. :laugh:

Yes it is. No other disease will cause you to become obese. (Note I'm not saying put on weight, you can put on weight for medical reasons but not obesity) Even Prader-Willis won't make you become obese but it's one that more understandable.

That was in no way taking things out of context. You said those things, your own writing, to show you how inconsistent you are. The only thing you are being consistent with is deflecting personal responsibility. Some people will figure out the solution and succeed. Some people with play the role of the victim and people will approach them in a sensitive way, messaging their feeling to show some empathy while at the same time enabling them to continue throwing pity parties. We all have a choice to decide which individual we are, no matter what medical barriers or personal problems we face.

My wife struggled with severe pain through chemotherapy, a double mastectomy, and reconstructive surgery, and still struggles with fibromyalgia. It's amazing what weight training has done for her. It hurt like hell in the beginning though.

Maybe it could work. Not sure though, scar tissue isn't like stretchy and the pain keeps getting worse not better. I had a pretty bad flare up after my 5k on Sunday and I wasn't running that thing just walking fast. I have to be careful since a pain flare up can be so bad that I can't get out of bed. Since I work full time and have two children a day in bed isn't feasible ya know?

Yea, bench pressing after a double mastectomy is so very easy and no scar tissue there. At some point, it really does just look like so many excuses. If you want it badly enough then you'll do it. If you don't then you won't.

My wife struggled with severe pain through chemotherapy, a double mastectomy, and reconstructive surgery, and still struggles with fibromyalgia. It's amazing what weight training has done for her. It hurt like hell in the beginning though.

Maybe it could work. Not sure though, scar tissue isn't like stretchy and the pain keeps getting worse not better. I had a pretty bad flare up after my 5k on Sunday and I wasn't running that thing just walking fast. I have to be careful since a pain flare up can be so bad that I can't get out of bed. Since I work full time and have two children a day in bed isn't feasible ya know?

Yea, bench pressing after a double mastectomy is so very easy and no scar tissue there. At some point, it really does just look like so many excuses. If you want it badly enough then you'll do it. If you don't then you won't.

It's a fallicy to compare one person to another when their health needs are different. Some people actually don't have any chronic pain from scar tissue build up. I'm not sure how it's an excuse when I'm explaining my hesitency while also telling you that I'm exercising in some way regularly just being hesitant regarding weights. I know what running/ walking does to my body. I don't know what weight training will do to it at this point in time. I used to weight train twice a week for cross training purposes. I'm not against it I just am not sure how my body will adjust to it right now at this point in time given what's happening right now. Considering I'm facing the barrell of yet another surgery when my insurance approves it's definitly a possiblity after that happens and I'm recovered.