Be Smart... don't fall for Fads and scams :)
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If your previous threads were anything like this, I could see why they would no longer be on here.I joined MFP a couple years ago and had a few threads going... but haven't been on since then and they are no longer on here apparently.
Ohhh I'm sorry Lolowolf... I had NO IDEA that giving people a heads up about a lot of current (and upcoming) Health Scams was a bad thing. Did you even read my initial post? Man... I am so terrible that I wanted to at least offer insight since these scams often do have a lot of followers simply because they market well. :noway: (Think about all the popular Protein shakes, pills, energy drinks, wraps to lose weight etc are... not many realize that they are scams surprisingly.)
So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick: But again, I stand firm with my first post and then all the many dumb posts I created to defend what I actually meant when I used a simple word. oyyy. :laugh:
Meh - you touched a nerve is all. You can please some of the people.......etc. However kudos to you for sticking with your post and responding. It creates discussion, and discussion is always a good thing. Many people posting an opinion topic, because let's face it, that's what it is, an opinion, would have cut and run when the stuff hit the fan - but you didn't.
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My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!
It's amusing how often people do this, as if it weren't transparent, the "people not here agree with me" to bolster a position.
Anyway, that's just a minor pet peeve. What really puzzles me is what is this hysteria that you speak of? (Why quotation marks, does that indicate a term of art and not the usual dictionary definition of that term?) I didn't see any hysteria at all. I saw people taking issue with a claim that was made. Not because they (we?) were offended or upset--no such tone was present--but because they disagreed with something stated and wanted to talk about it.
It's a sad, sad day if mere disagreement presented in a calm way somehow becomes "Hysteria." No wonder you get people complaining about a lack of supportiveness when posters point out that some wacko fad diet or fat burner is a scam (to go back to the original post).A word that is also similar to the term diet and healthy that also get bad recognition.
This makes no sense. Diet has a couple of meanings, but both are reasonably clear and non-controversial. I guess some don't like to say they are on diets, but I doubt there'd be confusion if the term were used. I've yet to see anyone object to the term healthy. To the contrary, several people have said that one does not need to eat "clean" (in any of its various definitions) to be healthy. Well, unless you mean clean as in not unsanitary in which case, yes, better to be sanitary.They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad: I never ONCE (not ONNNNNEEE TIMEEEE) said people should eat clean 100% of the time yet the still want to go onnn and onnnn about it.
Kind of seems like you are the one not getting over it. If you didn't mean "clean" as it is usually used around here and acknowledge your usage is unclear, why not just say what you mean and drop it? You are the one who kept arguing and arguing for the term meaning something (or several different things) and making it the issue.I guess being a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist must mean I know nothing... lol. (eye roll)
Saying that on the internet doesn't mean much, and it doesn't seem to have much relevance to whether "eating clean" (whatever that might mean) is good advice to someone trying to lose weight. The same people who seem to buy into fad diets and weight loss pills seem to me to the those who come here and proclaim that they should be losing because they are "eating clean" or are frustrated because they keep binging after cutting out all sugar, including fruit, or some such. So if you are concerned about people falling for dumb scams, you'd think you'd be interested in how vague and ambiguous advice like "you must eat clean" gets understood.
If not, that's your choice. But don't get so defensive!0 -
If your previous threads were anything like this, I could see why they would no longer be on here.I joined MFP a couple years ago and had a few threads going... but haven't been on since then and they are no longer on here apparently.
Ohhh I'm sorry Lolowolf... I had NO IDEA that giving people a heads up about a lot of current (and upcoming) Health Scams was a bad thing. Did you even read my initial post? Man... I am so terrible that I wanted to at least offer insight since these scams often do have a lot of followers simply because they market well. :noway: (Think about all the popular Protein shakes, pills, energy drinks, wraps to lose weight etc are... not many realize that they are scams surprisingly.)
So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick: But again, I stand firm with my first post and then all the many dumb posts I created to defend what I actually meant when I used a simple word. oyyy. :laugh:
I think it's important to understand that we see a lot of food phobia on these boards. Day after day there are people eating super low fat, super low calorie, super low carb, etc. and people who can't figure out how to eat more than 800 calories because they only eat clean. Day after day after day of people being told they must avoid this, must avoid that. Day after day of posters asking what they can eat because they've heard too much conflicting information about carbs after 4pm or no sugar or no more than one egg per day. And posts that appear to suggest that clean eating is required for weight loss (as your original post appears to do) tend to feed into this sort of fear mongering and confusion that keeps many people from reaching their goals.
You have continued to lol at the people trying to sort through this and put the blame on us for misinterpreting you. Yes, clean eating is a common term. That doesn't make it an accurate one or one that should be used when giving advice in certain environments. I think that it's important to be as clear as possible when you start a post meant to inform and educate.0 -
You can't suggest eating healthy food around here without sending the yahoos into a tizzy.
They like their junk food and they don't want to hear that it might not be healthy.
They cannot be convinced that such a thing as junk food exists, much less hat it might be bad for them.
It was nice of you to try to help people.
. But, some people cannot be helped. There are none so blind.
Leave them be.
Finally someone with some sense! LOL :laugh: My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word! A word that is also similar to the term diet and healthy that also get bad recognition. While I do understand their point of view in terms of various meanings of the word, They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad: I never ONCE (not ONNNNNEEE TIMEEEE) said people should eat clean 100% of the time yet the still want to go onnn and onnnn about it. I guess being a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist must mean I know nothing... lol. (eye roll)
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Finally someone with some sense! LOL :laugh: My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word! A word that is also similar to the term diet and healthy that also get bad recognition. While I do understand their point of view in terms of various meanings of the word, They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad: I never ONCE (not ONNNNNEEE TIMEEEE) said people should eat clean 100% of the time yet the still want to go onnn and onnnn about it. I guess being a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist must mean I know nothing... lol. (eye roll)
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So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?0 -
i think that part ended 5 pages ago
So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
clean eating = unclear definition. just dont say it
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So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
I am definitely up for interesting conversation. Most of this topic unfortunately changed into something it wasn't intended for. Have you ever been approached about the current or new upcoming fads such as the wraps? Energy Drinks? Shakes etc?0 -
So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
Unless you're "a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist" and believe people who eat "junk" food are delusional drug addicts, then yes. Since I'm neither, time to post it up with gifs.
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So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
I am definitely up for interesting conversation. Most of this topic unfortunately changed into something it wasn't intended for. Have you ever been approached about the current or new upcoming fads such as the wraps? Energy Drinks? Shakes etc?
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OP:
I really do think you had good intentions when you started this thread and there are a lot of scams and fads out there that people really should avoid. However, you have contradicted yourself a couple times if not by specific words than by actions. There are a couple times when you've agreed with two different schools of thought (choosing option 2 in the "who's healthier" comparison, and then agreeing with the person who demonized "junk food"; saying that you eat foods deemed not clean by you but only calling them cheats rather than "occasional" foods... Etc).
I saw the point you were trying to make but there are specific so called "health and fitness buzzwords" and right now "eating clean" is one of them. A few years ago there were craploads of health and fitness blogs saying that a person could "target your (insert problem area) fat!" and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the idea of targeting where you lose fat is complete rubbish - but it was a buzzword (well, buzz phrase but that sounds silly) for a long time. I DO NOT disagree about the idea that eating lean meats, a variety of vegetables, fruits, seeds, nuts, legumes and dairy as the main portion of the human diet and that other foods are sometimes foods; however, because of the buzzword status of "clean eating" rather than outright explaining what you mean by it will cause a lot of debate - and further contradicting yourself could make it sound like you aren't sure what you mean - or worse, that you only backpedaled as lip service.
Now, all of this said -- what's wrong, exactly, with protein shakes? Or are you just talking about the ones that are sold by the multi-level marketers? Because regular whey protein powder that one can get in the store can easily supplement a person that may be a little low or may be doing a work out regimen that requires a bit extra protein than they get from regular eating. I'm just curious why that particular shake type came up. (Had you said dietary shake or meal replacement shake, of course, I wouldn't ask because I'd see where you're coming from).0 -
So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
Unless you're "a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist" and believe people who eat "junk" food are delusional drug addicts, then yes. Since I'm neither, time to post it up with gifs.
:laugh: SMDH... its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response. My fitness PAL? Really? Yet, I find it humorous to say the least. :laugh: I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject. Bully me all you want, and change my words all you want. Will I defend myself? Yes most likely... but will I go away just bc you don't approve? nahhh... :huh:
So anyway... back to the topic at hand. I would love to hear about fad diets/trends anyone has tried or had someone approach them with. I hate to name brands as to not bash anyones views... but there have been several I have been approached with including skinny wraps, vitamins, energy drinks, shakes, etc. Anyone else?:smooched:0 -
I don't think you need to worry about your boss, clients, coworkers, students, whoever recognizing you from your quads. But maybe.
I figure those of us without profile pics are the ones with jobs. :laugh:Also, with regards to all the lack-of-picture kvetching, have you thought that maybe some people want some anonymity? I am going through cancer treatment and I haven't advertised that to a lot of people in my life (including my coworkers) and I want to keep it that way. I guess I could post headless pictures of me in a sports bra but do you all really want to see the huge scar on my abdomen? I really don't love the idea of showing it off. Anyway, I'm losing weight for me, not for strangers on the internet.
I thought these forums were supposed to be for support, but I keep seeing a lot of people feeling superior because of their number of posts or something stupid like that. It's not really conducive to getting more people to join in.
Maybe I'll just post a picture of my cat. Would that make my opinions more valid?
Rant over
Yea, I live in my car and collective welfare.
I have a job but I'm not embarrassed for my boss, clients, coworkers or whoever recognizing me by my face. They all know I need to lose weight by looking at me. I'm not embarrassed by what I say on this or other sites. Maybe if I were to say something I wouldn't say in "real" life I would take my picture down. I hope I don't get to that point though. Maybe leaving my picture up will help keep me accountable.0 -
So, the part where we were having an interesting conversation is over now, then?
Unless you're "a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist" and believe people who eat "junk" food are delusional drug addicts, then yes. Since I'm neither, time to post it up with gifs.
:laugh: SMDH... its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response. My fitness PAL? Really? Yet, I find it humorous to say the least. :laugh: I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject. Bully me all you want, and change my words all you want. Will I defend myself? Yes most likely... but will I go away just bc you don't approve? nahhh... :huh:
So anyway... back to the topic at hand. I would love to hear about fad diets/trends anyone has tried or had someone approach them with. I hate to name brands as to not bash anyones views... but there have been several I have been approached with including skinny wraps, vitamins, energy drinks, shakes, etc. Anyone else?:smooched:
Insulting your critics is not how you win/finish an argument. People have raised legitimate points and concerns which you have been refusing to comment on for several pages now (beyond this sort of brush off). Why not try taking people seriously for a little while to see what might happen?0 -
its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here
"Bullying" completely misused in a sentence!
BINGO!
Okay everyone, the next game starts in 3...2...1...0 -
How many people on here have tickers because they ate excessive "clean" foods?
How many people on here have tickers because they ate excessive junk food?0 -
OP:
I really do think you had good intentions when you started this thread and there are a lot of scams and fads out there that people really should avoid. However, you have contradicted yourself a couple times if not by specific words than by actions. There are a couple times when you've agreed with two different schools of thought (choosing option 2 in the "who's healthier" comparison, and then agreeing with the person who demonized "junk food"; saying that you eat foods deemed not clean by you but only calling them cheats rather than "occasional" foods... Etc).
I saw the point you were trying to make but there are specific so called "health and fitness buzzwords" and right now "eating clean" is one of them. A few years ago there were craploads of health and fitness blogs saying that a person could "target your (insert problem area) fat!" and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the idea of targeting where you lose fat is complete rubbish - but it was a buzzword (well, buzz phrase but that sounds silly) for a long time. I DO NOT disagree about the idea that eating lean meats, a variety of vegetables, fruits, seeds, nuts, legumes and dairy as the main portion of the human diet and that other foods are sometimes foods; however, because of the buzzword status of "clean eating" rather than outright explaining what you mean by it will cause a lot of debate - and further contradicting yourself could make it sound like you aren't sure what you mean - or worse, that you only backpedaled as lip service.
Now, all of this said -- what's wrong, exactly, with protein shakes? Or are you just talking about the ones that are sold by the multi-level marketers? Because regular whey protein powder that one can get in the store can easily supplement a person that may be a little low or may be doing a work out regimen that requires a bit extra protein than they get from regular eating. I'm just curious why that particular shake type came up. (Had you said dietary shake or meal replacement shake, of course, I wouldn't ask because I'd see where you're coming from).
Fair thought! I like that you shared your thought process rather than make an attack. I really was trying to help when I made this thread and had zero intentions of making it some debate. In fact, the only debate I thought it could possibly start was one of the network marketing promoters defending their product.
So to answer your first paragraph:
I never meant to contradict myself and don't believe I have. However, I'm sure it could be easily read that way. I chose option 2 because it is healthy for the body and mind. Eating 100% clean all of the time can actually ware down someone and cause them to binge later. I don't see any issues with a 80/20 diet like some people mentioned. I even tried to further my evidence of that by explaining that I love to eat some of those foods as well. I also never once said that to be successful one must eat clean all 100% of the time, that is something that got blown way out of proportion. I think it is healthy to indulge because it feels good lets face it. As far as calling them "cheats" vs regular food. Well this is where I differ I guess. I personally eat a lot of different types of foods and I do classify them differently since they are different. I do not call processed foods unhealthy... it just depends on the specific food. However, if I do indulge in chocolate cake, I think that is just fine... but personally... I would call it a cheat for me since it is not a food I eat often. Do I think its bad and regret it? Heck no... I'll enjoy every bit, but I know I will not eat 5 of them every day. I think everyone needs to do what is best for them. Do I believe success will come easy? No... we all know it can take hard work to lose weight, gain muscle, run a marathon (or whichever other health goals one has). And that is what i was getting at.
I see what you mean about the buzzwords. And I agree about not being able to Spot Reduce which was a popular buzzword in recently. Just like Atkins, Weight Watchers, South Beach Diet, Paleo etc. Various diets and buzzwords that got people buzzing about fitness terms. Even the term DIET could be deemed confusing since it can mean what someone actually eats, or it can mean someone trying to lose weight, or even someone trying to gain weight etc. Everyone's idea of various terms often mean different things on a personal level. I have actually NEVER heard that "Clean eating" is a buzzword with so much animosity. I'm glad that I have learned that but I see no reason why people had to go on attack mode for it while completely dropping what the whole post was about. I just saw another girl post about clean eating and I thought to myself... Uh Ohhhh. And it shouldn't be that way.
For your final paragraph- There is nothing wrong with protein shakes in general. However, I have been approached by some of the network marketing distributors that promoted their specific shake as being the best of the best in weight loss. I had an open mind... and went to the meeting. They gave us samples and had us watch a video on the product. The video was GREAT, If I were most people... I would want to purchase right then and there. The marketing was pure genius. (You can even win a BMW!) LOL, but when I did some more research, I realized that the product was not NEARLY what they made it out to be... in fact, it wasn't even close. They twisted words to make it sound good, but was false. I just want others to be sure they don't fall for the clever marketing as I know many others have. If it sounds too good to be true... it usually is.
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