Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds

Straps assist in deadlifts, some consider it cheating, but then again some consider bench shirts as being perfectly acceptable.

Lol, that's so true. Why do lifting organization recognize bench shirt use as legitimately a "raw" lift? What's even funnier is watching some of the guys that use it needing help to grasp the bar before benching.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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You need to go do some research on powerlifting before making such ridiculous claims. There are exactly zero powerlifting federations that recognize a shirted bench press as raw. Bench shirts are in the equipped division, period, and even then straps aren't allowed on the deadlift. I'm not an equipped lifter, I compete raw, but I would challenge you to get under the amount of weight they do; even in a multiply shirt. If you haven't done it then keep your mouth shut because you don't know what you're talking about.

P.S. Most of those shirted bench pressers would out-lift you raw without breaking a sweat.

Whoa now. I'm not dissing "raw" lifters. It's the other way around. I'm giving them props. I think you misunderstand my post. My point was why are shirted benching lifts considered legit, while if someone used straps on a deadlift not legit? If powerlifting or Olympic lifting organization want to be consistent, then everyone should lift raw (with the exception of belts). I've been to several meets and mentioned it's sometimes comical that shirts are so tight, guys can even lift up their arms to grab the bar.
So kudos to all "raw" lifters. I think they represent power and strength much more legitimately than those who compete with shirts and suits.

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Benching in a shirt is no less "legit" than benching raw. The numbers are inflated but that doesn't make the lifts garbage, just different. Just because you're in a squat suit doesn't make the 900 lbs on your back feel any lighter! Straps are considered cheating because they aren't even allowed in geared lifting. Besides, the ppl on mfp aren't strong enough that their grip should hold them back at all. Grip shouldn't become an issue until you are nearing a double bodyweight pull or more. To use straps when you have a weak pull already is just lazy. That's what chalk is for.

So using a bench shirt or suit inflates the numbers and isn't cheating, but using straps (that would definitely inflate the numbers on deads) would be cheating. I don't see the logic.
And I disagree about chalk. It doesn't increase muscle strength. It just keeps your hands from slipping.
Obviously we have different views of what we consider "cheating". No prob. I respect your point of view. But you have no need to mock people don't power lift. If MFP people's grip shouldn't be an issue, then just hanging leg raises or pull ups should be a breeze since it's just their body weight, but there a lots of people that can't do it.
Personally I use straps on deads and rows and am far from "lazy". I'm not that concerned about how much weight I move for 1-2 reps, but what I can do for 8-12 reps to encourage sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. If rowing 185lbs fatigues my forearms and grip out and I don't feel it in my back as much, but using straps I can do 225lbs and feel it in the back more, I'm using the straps.

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I wasn't selling it! I have no comment on his past trainers/use of enhancements, I couldn't care less either...currently he's not.

That's what lots of people thought of Lance Armstrong too. Unless you're living with the guy 24/7 or doing blood/urine tests on him, don't see how you can confirm this.

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Thanks for the info, "Natty" now makes sense.
I don't understand why straps would be an issue but I'm sure I'll learn more as I progress, like what "bench shirts" are. LoL

Some people think that you shouldn't use straps because you should have a strong enough grip instead. I don't know about anyone else but I don't use the deadlift to train my grip, and why should I let my grip strength dictate how much I can deadlift?

That's fine as long as you don't claim that you can lift x amount based on your strapped pull. Because realistically you can't.

Don't they count on the platform for competition?

You cannot use straps in PL meets, even in the equipped divisions.

LOL! Well since I'm not in high school anymore I don't make it a point to go around boasting about how much I can lift (even in high school it didn't impress anyone anyways).

If your so hardcore and you want to let one small muscle group dictate how much a very large muscle group gets trained, be my guest, I don't care one way or the other.

What on earth are you on about?? Issues much?

She asked a question, I responded. I made no comment about anything about me or even my thoughts on straps.



Question: can't you use them on the platform for competitions

Answer: no

^^totes trying to make out I am hardcore or commenting on their usefulness or anything else your mind seems to be inferring.

WOW... I wasn't even referring to your comment, it was the one above you, about claiming to lift a certain amount... But I do apologize for reposting a quote in the wrong place. Please forgive me. It won't happen again. And please don't tell the internet police... :laugh:

LOL! But I do find it funny that because of that now I'm a troll and I have issues. :drinker:

Benching in a shirt is no less "legit" than benching raw. The numbers are inflated but that doesn't make the lifts garbage, just different. Just because you're in a squat suit doesn't make the 900 lbs on your back feel any lighter! Straps are considered cheating because they aren't even allowed in geared lifting. Besides, the ppl on mfp aren't strong enough that their grip should hold them back at all. Grip shouldn't become an issue until you are nearing a double bodyweight pull or more. To use straps when you have a weak pull already is just lazy. That's what chalk is for.

There are plenty of people on MFP who are pulling 2x bodyweight. Without straps. One I know of is actually competing today and will probably do exactly that. Also, you are a people and you are on MFP. And I am assuming you can pull 2x bodyweight so...

Yo, Wolverine's got puny little stick legs though. I don't care if he deadlifts 4 plates, dude's legs look like he did a winter in Warsaw in the 30's.

Yo, Wolverine's got puny little stick legs though. I don't care if he deadlifts 4 plates, dude's legs look like he did a winter in Warsaw in the 30's.

It's not like his deadlifts are from upper body strength.

*peeks around*

well now. this is the type of thread i like to stroll by and derail, but i see there's nothing left for me to do here. is Hugh Jackman on the juice? do deadlifts count if you use straps? is benching with a compression suit cheating? does every person have to act like they are in PL competitions? can you be using roids if you don't have abs? is grip strength the most important thing in all the world?

i like it. i like it a lot. it's the lord's work you're doing here people. carry on.

Benching in a shirt is no less "legit" than benching raw. The numbers are inflated but that doesn't make the lifts garbage, just different. Just because you're in a squat suit doesn't make the 900 lbs on your back feel any lighter! Straps are considered cheating because they aren't even allowed in geared lifting. Besides, the ppl on mfp aren't strong enough that their grip should hold them back at all. Grip shouldn't become an issue until you are nearing a double bodyweight pull or more. To use straps when you have a weak pull already is just lazy. That's what chalk is for.

There are plenty of people on MFP who are pulling 2x bodyweight. Without straps. One I know of is actually competing today and will probably do exactly that. Also, you are a people and you are on MFP. And I am assuming you can pull 2x bodyweight so...

Id imagine so - I can DL double my weight and Im not anywhere close to being a competitive lifter

Yo, Wolverine's got puny little stick legs though. I don't care if he deadlifts 4 plates, dude's legs look like he did a winter in Warsaw in the 30's.

I wondered when someone was going to mention that - its been said in other threads.

First of all, shorts covers a lot of muscle development. However, he trains for a role he is playing. He has very little time to change appearance between movies. He runs around without a shirt on. He does not run around without pants (more's the pity).

Though there are some great butt shots of him....*eyes glaze over* Sorry, what were we talking about again??

So using a bench shirt or suit inflates the numbers and isn't cheating, but using straps (that would definitely inflate the numbers on deads) would be cheating. I don't see the logic.

It isn't cheating because it is allowed in the rules.

Best way to explain it to someone who doesn't understand is to compare it to running/biking. They kind have the same motion, and kinda do the same thing but you are able to achieve better numbers with equipment (a bike or a shirt) than without.

Really, raw and geared powerlifting are two different sports within the same heading.

Blimey...tough crowd here in MFP forums - had never really posted before. Just thought I'd give my 2 pennies worth seeing as I've spent nearly everyday the past 3 months in his company. Of course I don't know for sure - just guessing he isn't at the moment. And yes his legs (calves) are under developed.

In other news I pulled a PB deadlift today of 80kg (175lbs) no straps, belts...blah blah blah

Lol, I was just playing witcha (hence the smiley face) - no offence intended!
Congrats on the PB though!

So using a bench shirt or suit inflates the numbers and isn't cheating, but using straps (that would definitely inflate the numbers on deads) would be cheating. I don't see the logic.

It isn't cheating because it is allowed in the rules.

Best way to explain it to someone who doesn't understand is to compare it to running/biking. They kind have the same motion, and kinda do the same thing but you are able to achieve better numbers with equipment (a bike or a shirt) than without.

Really, raw and geared powerlifting are two different sports within the same heading.

True, but this line of dialogue came about when HJ was deadlifting in a studio, not on a platform at a comp, and people started talking about inflated numbers and cheating and what constitutes a "true" DL number.

A deadlift with straps is not a deadlift. It is a deadlift with straps.

Given that I bodybuild, I couldn't care less. When a 200 lb powerlifter has a better back than me from going strapless, then perhaps I'll try it out. Yet to see one though.

ALso, unlike what many people in this thread are saying, I don't think a strapped deadlift allows for higher weights on SINGLE rep maxes. I always had the same number with straps and with chalk on 1 rep maxes. Straps only help me with multiple reps.

I think it's just the pro-powerlifting atmosphere on the forums here more than anything. I know bodybuilders who don't even bother with deadlifts and I know some that do them but use straps. Other than on forums, no one really seems to care. Personally, straps are great when I don't feel like bothering with chalk. If you compete in a sport that requires you to deadlift without straps, then yes your grip strength is very important, but for recreational lifters and bodybuilders... I dunno, I'm sort of left scratching my head asking "who cares?" when people start saying stuff like lifts don't count with straps.

It isn't cheating because it is allowed in the rules.

Best way to explain it to someone who doesn't understand is to compare it to running/biking. They kind have the same motion, and kinda do the same thing but you are able to achieve better numbers with equipment (a bike or a shirt) than without.

Really, raw and geared powerlifting are two different sports within the same heading.

I don't think anyone was confused by the concept - I think he was taking issue with the principle.

And I was discussing that principle. Never said anyone was confused.

I'm pretty sure that very few people in the world are capable of deadlifting 400lbs. First off, you need the training. Secondly, very few people pursue it. Even less ever achieve a 400lbs lift. I would think the number is way less than 1%.

His legs do look skinny but he trains to play wolverine. Almost every wolverine action shot has him with his shirt off in blue jeans. That's the default wolverine look... so it looks to me like they spent an abnormal amount of effort exaggerating his upper body and kinda doing only the minimum for his legs. He's not training for stage competition or even for the usual aesthetics of a bodybuilder.

I'm also pretty sure he's not natural. His development was very fast and I think its pretty standard for actors who have 6 months to prepare for a role like this to be on HGH or some other illegal or quasi-legal substance. I'm not dissing the guy, people who do take illegal stuff do also work really hard, and he is unique person being paid millions to play a very specific part. It's impressive what he's achieved, but I don't think he's 100% natural.