Walking out on a fitness class/instructor???
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NO. A person's situation means nothing. Late is late. You're 15 minutes late, you don't interrupt the class. I don't care if you pulled your car over to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to Jesus Christ on the cross, you still don't get to inconvenience 20 other people.
Haha such delightful nonsense!
They were in a boxing/thai boxing class not managing air traffic control. The class does not fall apart if the instructor has to say "warm up and join in for the next set of reps" to someone who was late.
Thanks for using your first sentence to inform us the rest of your post is nonsense. You were correct about that.
Shouldve probably kept that one to yourself....
You keep reinforcing that all you have to offer is nonsense.
Wow, youre really adding to the conversation. Keep it up. This thread needed the additional petulance and pettiness that only you know how to bring.0 -
The op deactivated. We weren't there. We don't really know what happened or how long the op waited. If the instructor was mid instruction with a pair, she isn't going to stop. Everyone has a different style. It was only her second class. She was 15 minutes late. I think she over reacted. Maybe she clashes with the instructor. So, maybe they aren't a good match. Personally I would want to give the instructor a chance before jumping to all these conclusions. I care more about what she can teach, not all this other stuff about vibes. It's easy to misunderstand vibes.0
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not to mention the OP payed for the class so is a customer, the class wasnt a freebie.
so is it beyond the instructor just to say you are too late for my class come back next time.?I think that people forget that MA instructors didn't get a certificate on the wall from a 2 day workshop.
They trained diligently for several decades to earn their title. Most MAs are steeped in Eastern tradition, which revolves around respect and honor. Respect has been demanded of them by their teachers, and they in turn demand the respect of their students. There's a reason you refer to them as 'Master' or 'Grandmaster'.
Most MAs have minimum time requirements between black belt grades. It varies, but you can expect to spend three years earning 1st Dan. Then you are required to train at least another two years before 2nd Dan, no matter how good you are. Then three years for 3rd Dan. Four more years for 4th Dan, etc...
So if you're being taught by a Master (varies by style, but lowest Master I've known is 4th Dan), you can work on about 10 to 12 years of experience at minimum. If you are privileged enough to be taught by an 8th Dan Grandmaster, you can expect that they have been training for nearly four decades at a minimum.
You bet your *kitten* they demand respect, and have no patience for someone not showing humility or commitment. Especially on the second damn class.
So did every other student that the OP was inconveniencing. Show up on time or don't show ... it doesn't matter if it's a fitness class, movie, flight, or concert. The start time is part of the social contract for the entire group. The OP broke it with their actions.
And my question was why cant the instructor let her know where she stands so she knows?
People are late sometimes get over it.
I'm not the one who needs to get over anything. The OP rage quit the class then rage quit MFP when they didn't get the special treatment they think they deserve in either situation. Their actions are telling.0 -
Yep, agreed with the other teachers here. It's basic classroom control. When my students arrive late, I will refuse to acknowledge them. I don't give them the silent treatment, but I refuse to give them any special attention, either. It's disruptive and unfair to both me and the other students. They know to come in as quietly as possible and that they have to wait to turn in their homework until after class is finished. If they have an excuse, I'll take it then. If not, they're going to get chewed out and staying for break detention. I don't get a lot of late kids since I started doing this.
My students aren't at an age where it's appropriate, but if I were teaching adults, I'd definitely want to implement a policy that if you're too late, you shouldn't bother coming. 15 minutes is NOT a little late. That's a huge chunk of the lesson, and you're most likely missing vital information in the introduction.
I'm in a Police Academy. If you're late to a class for ANY reason 3x over the course of a semester, you're immediately booted from the Academy (1 verbal warning, 1 written warning, then you're gone). End of story. Many employers are the same way with people being late to work, eg 3 unexcused tardy punch-ins within a given time frame (6 months was the time frame where I previously worked), you're fired. College professors simply locked the door once the class started; if you're late, too f'n bad.
If you want the job, the training, etc, you will learn to get out of bed/tell time/leave your house a few minutes earlier/whatever. If you don't, then you simply don't deserve it. Move aside & make room for someone who does.
Being on time isn't some new-fangled politically correct BS.
And breastfeeding as an excuse for bad posture? WTF?0 -
Yep, agreed with the other teachers here. It's basic classroom control. When my students arrive late, I will refuse to acknowledge them. I don't give them the silent treatment, but I refuse to give them any special attention, either. It's disruptive and unfair to both me and the other students. They know to come in as quietly as possible and that they have to wait to turn in their homework until after class is finished. If they have an excuse, I'll take it then. If not, they're going to get chewed out and staying for break detention. I don't get a lot of late kids since I started doing this.
My students aren't at an age where it's appropriate, but if I were teaching adults, I'd definitely want to implement a policy that if you're too late, you shouldn't bother coming. 15 minutes is NOT a little late. That's a huge chunk of the lesson, and you're most likely missing vital information in the introduction.
I'm in a Police Academy. If you're late to a class for ANY reason 3x over the course of a semester, you're immediately booted from the Academy (1 verbal warning, 1 written warning, then you're gone). End of story. Many employers are the same way with people being late to work, eg 3 unexcused tardy punch-ins within a given time frame (6 months was the time frame where I previously worked), you're fired. College professors simply locked the door once the class started; if you're late, too f'n bad.
If you want the job, the training, etc, you will learn to get out of bed/tell time/leave your house a few minutes earlier/whatever. If you don't, then you simply don't deserve it. Move aside & make room for someone who does.
Being on time isn't some new-fangled politically correct BS.
And breastfeeding as an excuse for bad posture? WTF?
late is late, but sometimes people may be abit relaxed a when its not work related
the issue here is expectations were not set from reception or from the instructor. In your classroom your students know the rules. The Op saw others late from the previous session so made assumptions prob not realising their is a cut off point.0 -
I'm in a Police Academy. If you're late to a class for ANY reason 3x over the course of a semester, you're immediately booted from the Academy (1 verbal warning, 1 written warning, then you're gone). End of story. Many employers are the same way with people being late to work, eg 3 unexcused tardy punch-ins within a given time frame (6 months was the time frame where I previously worked), you're fired. College professors simply locked the door once the class started; if you're late, too f'n bad.
LOL My BF's co-worker got canned for being late 9 times in the last year. 5 of those times was less than 10 minutes late. (considering they work in NYC- I'd say that's pretty brutal)
Yeah- I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one- 7 pages into this.And breastfeeding as an excuse for bad posture? WTF?0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT0 -
I'm in a Police Academy. If you're late to a class for ANY reason 3x over the course of a semester, you're immediately booted from the Academy (1 verbal warning, 1 written warning, then you're gone). End of story. Many employers are the same way with people being late to work, eg 3 unexcused tardy punch-ins within a given time frame (6 months was the time frame where I previously worked), you're fired. College professors simply locked the door once the class started; if you're late, too f'n bad.
LOL My BF's co-worker got canned for being late 9 times in the last year. 5 of those times was less than 10 minutes late. (considering they work in NYC- I'd say that's pretty brutal)
Yeah- I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one- 7 pages into this.And breastfeeding as an excuse for bad posture? WTF?
she prob needed to sit upright rather than bending over to the child0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.0 -
The OP made a lot of claims in their first post ... others were late, the instructor was rude and didn't acknowledge her, etc. They are biased and given the content of subsequent posts, I don't find them as a credible source. The consistent quitting when not getting their way is a revealing personality trait.0
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Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
Why wouldn't you expect to show up on time?0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
The "certain service" started on time. The OP wasn't there for the services. If you expect a service, be there when it is rendered.0 -
not to mention the OP payed for the class so is a customer, the class wasnt a freebie.
so is it beyond the instructor just to say you are too late for my class come back next time.?I think that people forget that MA instructors didn't get a certificate on the wall from a 2 day workshop.
They trained diligently for several decades to earn their title. Most MAs are steeped in Eastern tradition, which revolves around respect and honor. Respect has been demanded of them by their teachers, and they in turn demand the respect of their students. There's a reason you refer to them as 'Master' or 'Grandmaster'.
Most MAs have minimum time requirements between black belt grades. It varies, but you can expect to spend three years earning 1st Dan. Then you are required to train at least another two years before 2nd Dan, no matter how good you are. Then three years for 3rd Dan. Four more years for 4th Dan, etc...
So if you're being taught by a Master (varies by style, but lowest Master I've known is 4th Dan), you can work on about 10 to 12 years of experience at minimum. If you are privileged enough to be taught by an 8th Dan Grandmaster, you can expect that they have been training for nearly four decades at a minimum.
You bet your *kitten* they demand respect, and have no patience for someone not showing humility or commitment. Especially on the second damn class.
So did every other student that the OP was inconveniencing. Show up on time or don't show ... it doesn't matter if it's a fitness class, movie, flight, or concert. The start time is part of the social contract for the entire group. The OP broke it with their actions.
And my question was why cant the instructor let her know where she stands so she knows?
People are late sometimes get over it.
I've variously studied Karate (Shotokan and Okinawa-te), TKD (ITF and WTF), Judo, Muay Thai, Kickboxing and Lau Gar Kung Fu.
Every instructor I've had took a dim view to lateness, and the late student was always secondary to the class in session. If you were acknowledged it would only be when he or she felt there was a natural break in the class that allowed such. If you were allowed to join, you were expected to do so quietly and humbly, to take care of your own warm up, and to cause the least possible disruption to the class. Nine times out of ten you will also be punished for your tardiness in the form of additional exercise (just as you would for any other disrespect, such as talking in class).
The Master-student relationship is a complex one. Yes, in part it is a business transaction. But it is also much more than that. Martial arts teaches an attitude to life, not just a series of movements. The monthly fee is just the price of admission. Respect, humility, commitment and perseverance are the price of the lessons you'll learn. You must submit to the authority of the Master if you truly wish to excel in the martial arts. It's not for everyone, and that's just fine. But if you find it's not for you, just shut your mouth and walk out. Don't come on a public website and badmouth the instructor.0 -
Everything is about personal choice so you have to do what you feel however...
1. my guess is that if you really felt you were owed the money you would have asked; and
2. if the class was important you would have turned up on time.
I have had worries myself, insecurities about flexibility when starting a yoga class...so i made the decision to turn up 30 mins early, managed to speak to the instructor, helped her set up the room with mats and stuff and explained my concerns and built the relationship with the instructor.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
Why wouldn't you expect to show up on time?
I am a punctual person, but sometimes life happens and you are late. Can this not be explained to people signing up for the class before hand, or is that the punishment of something going wrong for someone one day?0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
If you think mastery in a martial art is a matter of financial transaction. Of buying something. Of receiving "bang for your buck". Then I don't know what to say to you.
I would (and have) rather spend time teaching a student who truly wants to learn but can't pay, than waste my time on someone who can chuck some £'s my way but can't demonstrate basic commitnent to the art. Those people don't learn and don't last.0 -
It's as if people didn't even read the OP. Why anyone would take her word as to the way the events went down is beyond me. A tad bit late is 15 minutes. The instructor was approaching people one by one who were patiently awaiting their turn, yet the OP could not wait for her turn. OP got a bad vibe, whatever that even means. When told her posture was poor, instead of listening to tips for improvement she says it's the kids.
Why would I believe a single bad thing about the instructor after this unreliable account of events?0 -
not to mention the OP payed for the class so is a customer, the class wasnt a freebie.
so is it beyond the instructor just to say you are too late for my class come back next time.?I think that people forget that MA instructors didn't get a certificate on the wall from a 2 day workshop.
They trained diligently for several decades to earn their title. Most MAs are steeped in Eastern tradition, which revolves around respect and honor. Respect has been demanded of them by their teachers, and they in turn demand the respect of their students. There's a reason you refer to them as 'Master' or 'Grandmaster'.
Most MAs have minimum time requirements between black belt grades. It varies, but you can expect to spend three years earning 1st Dan. Then you are required to train at least another two years before 2nd Dan, no matter how good you are. Then three years for 3rd Dan. Four more years for 4th Dan, etc...
So if you're being taught by a Master (varies by style, but lowest Master I've known is 4th Dan), you can work on about 10 to 12 years of experience at minimum. If you are privileged enough to be taught by an 8th Dan Grandmaster, you can expect that they have been training for nearly four decades at a minimum.
You bet your *kitten* they demand respect, and have no patience for someone not showing humility or commitment. Especially on the second damn class.
So did every other student that the OP was inconveniencing. Show up on time or don't show ... it doesn't matter if it's a fitness class, movie, flight, or concert. The start time is part of the social contract for the entire group. The OP broke it with their actions.
And my question was why cant the instructor let her know where she stands so she knows?
People are late sometimes get over it.
I've variously studied Karate (Shotokan and Okinawa-te), TKD (ITF and WTF), Judo, Muay Thai, Kickboxing and Lau Gar Kung Fu.
Every instructor I've had took a dim view to lateness, and the late student was always secondary to the class in session. If you were acknowledged it would only be when he or she felt there was a natural break in the class that allowed such. If you were allowed to join, you were expected to do so quietly and humbly, to take care of your own warm up, and to cause the least possible disruption to the class. Nine times out of ten you will also be punished for your tardiness in the form of additional exercise (just as you would for any other disrespect, such as talking in class).
The Master-student relationship is a complex one. Yes, in part it is a business transaction. But it is also much more than that. Martial arts teaches an attitude to life, not just a series of movements. The monthly fee is just the price of admission. Respect, humility, commitment and perseverance are the price of the lessons you'll learn. You must submit to the authority of the Master if you truly wish to excel in the martial arts. It's not for everyone, and that's just fine. But if you find it's not for you, just shut your mouth and walk out. Don't come on a public website and badmouth the instructor.
Additional - being acknowledged early for being late is rarely a good sign. It generally means the instructor is furious, and you're about to enter a world of pain (or burpees, which are about the same thing). You're going to be a lesson about lateness to the rest of the class, and you aren't going to like it.0 -
And part of certain service from the start should have made it clear that the services will cease if cannot make it by a certain time.Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
The "certain service" started on time. The OP wasn't there for the services. If you expect a service, be there when it is rendered.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
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Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Argument long ago became "people who know little to nothing about martial arts" vs. "people who have studied and/or taught martial arts and totally get the culture".0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.
Did you just compare martial arts to spinning?0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.
Funnily enough that's exactly what I'd said earlier in this thread. At the 15min point the OP would definitely have missed the warm up period at which point at my gym she would have been refused to join in. Presumably more for her own benefit as it could result in an injury.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
Why wouldn't you expect to show up on time?
I am a punctual person, but sometimes life happens and you are late. Can this not be explained to people signing up for the class before hand, or is that the punishment of something going wrong for someone one day?
You need a special set of instructions to tell you that it's bad to be late?
I don't understand this world anymore.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.
Did you just compare martial arts to spinning?
no i have not lost my mind thanks very much. Are you asking me this because I have my own opinion?
and no i am not comparing martial arts to spinning
I am a customer who use services offered and once i know the rules i will abide by them.0 -
Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.
Did you just compare martial arts to spinning?
no i have not lost my mind thanks very much. Are you asking me this because I have my own opinion?
and no i am not comparing martial arts to spinning
I am a customer who use services offered and once i know the rules i will abide by them.
Don't take up a martial art. You wouldn't like it at all.0 -
have you never ever been late in your life? Looks like lateness seems to be the crime of the season.Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
Why wouldn't you expect to show up on time?
I am a punctual person, but sometimes life happens and you are late. Can this not be explained to people signing up for the class before hand, or is that the punishment of something going wrong for someone one day?
You need a special set of instructions to tell you that it's bad to be late?
I don't understand this world anymore.
Not everyone takes being late serious do they. The same people who are late to meet their friends would never be late for work, or to catch a flight.0 -
if you say so. i guess you are a mind reader now.Lols cant believe this is still going. She handled it poorly, but give her a break, she might deal with things differently next time. The instructor didnt sound customer friendly either.
OP go and focus on your diet and a different class if you are lurking. Lifes too short to bother about nonsense like this.
See. Everything's a commodity now.
Now we expect "customer service" from the martial arts? That's too funny...
QFT
not agreeing, Why wouldnt you expect a certain service if you are a paying customer.
^^Very true! I fully expect everyone in a class to stand around twiddling their thumbs till I decide to turn up :bigsmile:
**OP deactivated by page 2 btw...
Were they all waiting for OP? :bigsmile:
I have seen people turn up late for spinning , if they are not too late they join in. If it reaches a point the instructor politely turns them back.
Did you just compare martial arts to spinning?
no i have not lost my mind thanks very much. Are you asking me this because I have my own opinion?
and no i am not comparing martial arts to spinning
I am a customer who use services offered and once i know the rules i will abide by them.
Don't take up a martial art. You wouldn't like it at all.0 -
Did I overreact?
Yes
What would you have done?
Arrived on time and not been such a drama queen when I arrived late?
Lets be honest if you were keeping an appointment and were 15 mins late its hardly making an effort. Save the excuses and check yourself, not the instructor. If you want to get in shape, then put some effort in. Good luck!0
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