Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!
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Obviously, losing the extra pounds is the first thing that is going to happen when converting to a healthy lifestyle, and it's mandatory in order to decrease the likelihood of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.
As someone who struggles to see the number on the scale go down I have to disagree about losing pounds being the first thing to happen. Since I've been ACTIVELY trying to lose pounds and actively doing bootcamp workouts I'm seeing the scale go up. It's not the eating... it's the muscle gain. It's a proven fact that muscle is going to weigh more than fat. My doctor and trainers have all said it's to NOT be concerned with the number on the scale.
You mentioned heart disease - what you're also failing to mention is that the risk of getting heart disease has more to do with your genes and hereditary. You can be as healthy as you want and still have heart disease. My mom passed away at age 58 due to heart disease and she was as healthy as could be - it runs in the family.0 -
Hmmm. You are what you eat.
Guess I'mma bowl of count chocula. ♡ yum yum yum
wanna share that and I'll share my Milk Duds with you??
Yes plz:flowerforyou:
Then, we can have some
that would be perfect IF we could add bacon to it! Otherwise, I am falling for youuuuuuu!0 -
I'm sorry that I'm still skeptical that as long as all of the necessary nutrients are consumed in appropriate quantities my body can tell "where" those nutrients originated. I imagine that most people could use more fruits and vegetables in their diets, but since you glossed over what you said in the first place that set off this firestorm, I'm going to conclude it was excessive and unwarranted.0
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if you are to be believed I must be taco bell.
I like you! :flowerforyou:0 -
Hmmm. You are what you eat.
Guess I'mma bowl of count chocula. ♡ yum yum yum
wanna share that and I'll share my Milk Duds with you??
Yes plz:flowerforyou:
Then, we can have some
that would be perfect IF we could add bacon to it! Otherwise, I am falling for youuuuuuu!
I'll get it started
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I recently posted on a thread about someone who is having a hard time losing weight - upon looking at their diary, it showed that they consume a decent amount of processed, convenience, and fast foods. My advice was that they should consider really eating more fruits/veggies etc. I used the term "clean eating". Lo and behold, the inevitable comment came in response to my suggestion; I believe the exact quote was "Seriously, stop it. This is not helpful. It's not what the food is, it's overall calories and macros. As long as a person eats in a calorie deficit, the pounds will come off, it doesn't matter what the food being consumed is."
I am going to lose my mind if I hear or see this comment again! I realize that for so many people the goal is to shed pounds, and I'm all for that! Obviously, losing the extra pounds is the first thing that is going to happen when converting to a healthy lifestyle, and it's mandatory in order to decrease the likelihood of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. But that's not the point of all of this. Food can be the best, most powerful form of medicine, or the slowest form of poison. The point is to eat the foods that are going to keep you healthy for the rest of your life. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Fresh produce, whole grains, unprocessed food, little or no refined sugar/ wite flours - THAT is how you lose weight, and get healthy.
It is dangerous and counterproductive to suggest that it doesn't matter what you put into your body. I expect backlash to this rant, and I welcome all you trolls to tell me that I'm wrong - but you ask any single expert, or even just a health conscious person out there and they will say the exact thing I've just said. No one can dispute this.
Only reading post who agree with YOU today, Hi5.0 -
For weight loss, it's always going to come down to calories in verse calories out.
eating healthy is a different topic.
You said that you replied to a thread where the OP was complaining of not losing weight, so the answer To that usually comes back to calories in verse calories out. did that OP ask about opinions on eating healthy?0 -
Lol.
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Huh... person who doesn't agree w/ you = troll?
I've lost 73 lbs eating processed food within my calorie limit set by MFP. My most recent blood work came back indicating my iron went up, my blood count went up, my HDL is up and my LDL is down, and my blood sugar is around 5. So call me a troll.0 -
I agree. It is so hard to maintain a low carb diet. I am not to use artificial sweeteners and I really don't like vegetables unless they care cooked. (preferably Southern style). You can see why I have almost 100 lbs to lose like a lot of people in Mississippi. How do you make food more appetizing? So far I have been using good wholesome organic foods, no preservatives, no antibiotics, no GMO, no gluten, no egg, no dairy, no peanut, no soy. I am really getting tired of chicken and I don't like salmon. HELP!!!0
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If a person has eaten processed and/or prepared foods his/her entire life, it is easier to take baby steps. Replace 1 "to-go" snack, then 1 meal, etc. When a person slowly replaces empty calories with nutrients, the body will crave the nutrients. It's okay to disagree, but I choose healthy (now, to only give up the nachos :laugh: )0
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I agree 100%. That's not saying that I'm not guilty of eating processed crap, because I am. But, one of my big goals in addition to losing weight is to eat more clean and pure foods/beverages. I have put in a lot of effort to make these changes one at a time. I have quit smoking cigarettes after about 7 years. I have also (for the most part) quit drinking soda. I had the idea that as long as I was drinking diet it was ok. After eliminating the artificial sugars I feel lots better. I actually drink water now!! I am also a coffee addict but was dumping loads of cream and Sweet and Low into it. I recently have started drinking my coffee black and I love it! It's amazing how our taste buds adapt and change. But, this is all my opinion of course.
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I think that people just need to find what works for them. I prefer a balanced diet that includes treats. I do not need to eat 100% clean in order to lose weight. I think people are mixing up goals...
If your goal is to lose weight, eat at a deficit.
If your goal is to retain as much muscle as possible while losing weight, eat enough protein and find a progressive resistance training program (e. g. Starting strength or StrongLifts).
If your goal is to be overall healthy (feeling good most of the time and having good blood work, etc), maintain a healthy weight, get enough rest (sleep and non-exercise days), drink enough water, eat enough fat, get your micronutrients, and maybe do some form of cardio.
If your goal is to stay sane, don't give up foods you love. Try to work them in or take a temporary break from them until you can show some self control.0 -
breathe...let it go.0
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In to see where this goes.
We'll share the chair.
Also, in for food racism.Define "healthy."
Well, if you actually need me to define "healthy" for you, then here it is:
adjective, healthier, healthiest.
1. possessing or enjoying good health or a sound and vigorous mentality:
"a healthy body; a healthy mind."
That's how the dictionary defines. If that doesn't satisfy you, then my definition of healthy is being able to sleep restfully through the night, having the energy to make it through the day without needing to consume caffeine/sugar, pooping regularly, feeling positive, and happy, and knowing that, barring any chronic/unexpected diseases, you are going to look forward to long life.
If neither of those help you in your search for healthy, I'm not sure what will.
Aside from living with depression, I'm in great health according to OP's definition.0 -
That flies off the adorable charts! 0 -
For weight loss, it's always going to come down to calories in verse calories out.
eating healthy is a different topic.
You said that you replied to a thread where the OP was complaining of not losing weight, so the answer To that usually comes back to calories in verse calories out. did that OP ask about opinions on eating healthy?
This is what I was going to say. Losing weight and being healthy are two totally different things. Overlapping, yes, but different.0 -
What if I told you....you could still be healthy AND lose weight eating all foods in a deficit? /mind blown0
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Define "healthy."
Well, if you actually need me to define "healthy" for you, then here it is:
adjective, healthier, healthiest.
1. possessing or enjoying good health or a sound and vigorous mentality:
"a healthy body; a healthy mind."
That's how the dictionary defines. If that doesn't satisfy you, then my definition of healthy is being able to sleep restfully through the night, having the energy to make it through the day without needing to consume caffeine/sugar, pooping regularly, feeling positive, and happy, and knowing that, barring any chronic/unexpected diseases, you are going to look forward to long life.
If neither of those help you in your search for healthy, I'm not sure what will.
If that's the definition of healthy then I'm perfect and I eat processed foods all the damn day. I mean, skin cancer will probably get me one day but.0 -
Define "healthy."
Well, if you actually need me to define "healthy" for you, then here it is:
adjective, healthier, healthiest.
1. possessing or enjoying good health or a sound and vigorous mentality:
"a healthy body; a healthy mind."
That's how the dictionary defines. If that doesn't satisfy you, then my definition of healthy is being able to sleep restfully through the night, having the energy to make it through the day without needing to consume caffeine/sugar, pooping regularly, feeling positive, and happy, and knowing that, barring any chronic/unexpected diseases, you are going to look forward to long life.
If neither of those help you in your search for healthy, I'm not sure what will.
You are the one making the claim that people need to do certain things in order to be "healthy," however your definition of "healthy" is entirely subjective and based on your personal views. It is not measurable and cannot be applied to the population at large, therefore you telling people that they won't be "healthy" doesn't really mean much of anything.0 -
The ONLY neccesity to lose weight is to eat less calories than your body burns in a day (TDEE). While eating more whole foods is healthier (and IMHO keeps you satisfied longer), it's not necessary in order to lose weight and it's not necessary to do 100% of the time. Also, to repeat what's been pointed out, everyone's definition of "healthy" is slightly different. Just because someone is vegan doesn't mean they're healthy. And just because I eat pizza on a nearly weekly basis doesn't mean I'm not healthy - or that I can't lose weight, obviously, see the ticker. All foods are part of a balanced diet.
I think of it the same way as exercise. You don't need to do it to lose weight BUT there are health benefits and you'll probably end up with a physique that you're happier with (not skinny fat).0 -
Define "healthy."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/healthy
healthy
adjective \ˈhel-thē also ˈhelt-\
1: enjoying health and vigor of body, mind, or spirit : well
2: evincing health <a healthy complexion>
3: conducive to health <walk three miles every day … a beastly bore, but healthy— G. S. Patton>
4 a: prosperous, flourishing
b: not small or feeble : considerable
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/health+food?show=0&t=1410986986
health food
noun
: a food that is believed to be good for your health : a food that has no artificial ingredients0 -
Oooh... is this today's mean people thread?
But seriously... No need to push your clean eating lifestyle on other people to lose weight. Just like you wouldn't push detoxes, low carbs, or vegan diets for anyone to lose weight. Anyone can lose weight eating what they want at a calorie deficit in moderation, including pizza, ice cream and hot dogs.0 -
^^ this is an interesting read,.......... as for me i try to get in my 5 fruit/veg per day and also try to eat a varied and balanced diet whilst hitting my macros and if processed/fast foods help me to achieve that im happy, i have no other health issues apart from being overweight and i am now trying to address this.0 -
"Seriously, stop it. This is not helpful. It's not what the food is, it's overall calories and macros. As long as a person eats in a calorie deficit, the pounds will come off, it doesn't matter what the food being consumed is."0
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That flies off the adorable charts!
Took the words right out of my mouth! LOL0 -
So OP is complaining that when someone asked for weight loss advice, and she gave them irrelevant cleaning eating advice, this advice was pointed out as being irrelevant.
And this was wrong because...?0 -
I think this thread is the reason the word "pear-shaped" was created.0
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These TREADS make me chuckle. I'm still peeking in on topics until the scale moves.:laugh:0
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I think you're forgetting one very big thing... Some people really don't care about being healthy. I know it's kind of sad but some people (especially those just starting) really only want one thing: that number to go down.
So before you jump on your soap box about how the whole world should do what you're doing because it's the only way, remember not everyone has the same goals and thoughts as you do. :flowerforyou:
And I'm not saying people can't be healthy if they eat "non-clean" food. It's all about balance. I love me my Taco Bell, but I make it fit into a balanced diet.0
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