Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!

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I agree with the original poster. Bravo!

For example, recent research has shown that artificial sweeteners, while technically counting as zero calories, may cause spikes in blood sugar and lead to obesity, diabetes, and so forth. In this case, the math is not as simple as calories in/calories out and macros.

While I am not a clean eater or a champion of Paleo, there is much to be said in the research for a sensible diet primarily based on vegetables, lean protein, ,low-glycemic carbs, and some fruits.

I also say, in advance, that I am not sorry if anyone finds this "offensive" and engages in another ad infinitum, ad nauseam round of faux outrage,

I do not come here to instagram rainbows and puppies but to speak the frank truth.
Warm regards,
-G.e.C

while the bolded may be true(I haven't researched it) it still comes down to consuming more cals than you use to gain Weight. I fact if you are in a deficit and your body does somehow store, it will still have to metabolize the equivalent plus your deficit to function.

Fair enough, I think the research might be inconclusive on the point you raised as well as somewhat relative to the individual (e.g. diabetics/glucose-intolerats).

However, if you are not eating vegetables and fruits there's a good chance your body lacks sufficient micro-nutrients for optimal function. I think that gets lost in the "eat what you want" camp. It is not just pounds on the scale.

Health is not a mirror selfie,
-G.e.C

I agree micros are vital to health, they just aren't vital to fat loss.

And the IIFYM camp really does advocate getting your micros as well. The thing is you don't get bonus points for more micros, in fact some are dangerous to over consume. Once you have satisfied your micro requirements there is no problem indulging in those "empty cals"!

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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because, HEY, why not. It will give me something to read when I get back from the gym later.

I'm freaked out by all the chemicals and hormones in our food nowadays. Not in a tin-hatty kind of way, but in a very broad, very general, we eat all this chemical nonsense and we also have all these new diseases, kids these days have loads of allergies, no one knows where the high rates of autism are coming from, etc. I don't KNOW s*hit about what causes anything, and I don't claim to. But our environment is contaminated and I think a lot of our food is too. We use a lot of things in food now that haven't been around long enough to determine if they have adverse health affects. It doesn't make me wildly comfortable.

For that and other reasons I am trying to eat "cleaner." To me that means more fresh fruits and veg, and meat that isn't fed a lot of crap. Luckily, I can afford to that. Also, I tend to feel better and have more energy, have an easier time meeting macros and micros, and have an easier time losing weight.

But I'm also human. I would go insane eating like that all the time. I'm going to get take out maybe once a week. Usually greek or indian yummmmmm. I will buy myself a cupcake once a month. Every few months I cave and have a diet coke. I will eat a burger now and then. Most people are like me, and would go crazy if they had to focus on eating perfectly clean all the time, regardless of what clean meant to them. Restricting yourself to any diet entirely is really really hard and can lead to "unclean" binges.

The way you feed yourself and your family is personal, maybe as personal as religion or lifestyle. For me personally, if I get sick one day, I don't want to look back and wonder if healthier habits could have helped me. Instead, I want to work on my mental and physical health now while I'm young, which to me includes a moderated effort to eat as unprocessed and "clean" as I can, while acknowledging that exceptions are necessary to my mental well being.

OP, you can't force anyone to do anything, especially if you act like your way is the only way.

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because, HEY, why not. It will give me something to read when I get back from the gym later.

I'm freaked out by all the chemicals and hormones in our food nowadays. Not in a tin-hatty kind of way, but in a very broad, very general, we eat all this chemical nonsense and we also have all these new diseases, kids these days have loads of allergies, no one knows where the high rates of autism are coming from, etc. I don't KNOW s*hit about what causes anything, and I don't claim to. But our environment is contaminated and I think a lot of our food is too. We use a lot of things in food now that haven't been around long enough to determine if they have adverse health affects. It doesn't make me wildly comfortable.

For that and other reasons I am trying to eat "cleaner." To me that means more fresh fruits and veg, and meat that isn't fed a lot of crap. Luckily, I can afford to that. Also, I tend to feel better and have more energy, have an easier time meeting macros and micros, and have an easier time losing weight.

But I'm also human. I would go insane eating like that all the time. I'm going to get take out maybe once a week. Usually greek or indian yummmmmm. I will buy myself a cupcake once a month. Every few months I cave and have a diet coke. I will eat a burger now and then. Most people are like me, and would go crazy if they had to focus on eating perfectly clean all the time, regardless of what clean meant to them. Restricting yourself to any diet entirely is really really hard and can lead to "unclean" binges.

The way you feed yourself and your family is personal, maybe as personal as religion or lifestyle. For me personally, if I get sick one day, I don't want to look back and wonder if healthier habits could have helped me. Instead, I want to work on my mental and physical health now while I'm young, which to me includes a moderated effort to eat as unprocessed and "clean" as I can, while acknowledging that exceptions are necessary to my mental well being.

OP, you can't force anyone to do anything, especially if you act like your way is the only way.

Do you use air freshener in your house?

Hoping this isn't wiped before I finish reading.

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Personally I care just as much if not more about my mental health compared to my physical health. Physical health can come but mental health is harder for me to maintain.

There is no way in hell I can maintain decent mental health if my mind is so preoccupied with "dirty" and "clean" food. Plus, having a social life is super important for mental health.


SO honestly this clean food business drives me insane. Go on feeling morally superior to me. When I die before you (since im "dirty) but way happier we can compare notes then.

I like you! Dairy fat and sugar (in the form of frozen, yummy goodness) are essential to my mental health. Seriously, when I start restricting too much and focusing on "clean" eating, I end up in a really dark place.

Best post in the whole thread.

Also, all the people who claim "I ate a deficit and didn't lose weight", you need to submit your body for medical scrutiny right away because biology and science got broken in you. For reals.

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I agree with the original poster. Bravo!

For example, recent research has shown that artificial sweeteners, while technically counting as zero calories, may cause spikes in blood sugar and lead to obesity, diabetes, and so forth. In this case, the math is not as simple as calories in/calories out and macros.

While I am not a clean eater or a champion of Paleo, there is much to be said in the research for a sensible diet primarily based on vegetables, lean protein, ,low-glycemic carbs, and some fruits.

I also say, in advance, that I am not sorry if anyone finds this "offensive" and engages in another ad infinitum, ad nauseam round of faux outrage,

I do not come here to instagram rainbows and puppies but to speak the frank truth.
Warm regards,
-G.e.C

while the bolded may be true(I haven't researched it) it still comes down to consuming more cals than you use to gain Weight. I fact if you are in a deficit and your body does somehow store, it will still have to metabolize the equivalent plus your deficit to function.

Fair enough, I think the research might be inconclusive on the point you raised as well as somewhat relative to the individual (e.g. diabetics/glucose-intolerats).

However, if you are not eating vegetables and fruits there's a good chance your body lacks sufficient micro-nutrients for optimal function. I think that gets lost in the "eat what you want" camp. It is not just pounds on the scale.

Health is not a mirror selfie,
-G.e.C

I agree micros are vital to health, they just aren't vital to fat loss.

And the IIFYM camp really does advocate getting your micros as well. The thing is you don't get bonus points for more micros, in fact some are dangerous to over consume. Once you have satisfied your micro requirements there is no problem indulging in those "empty cals"!

^Exactly. A quote I like:
"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food!' - Eric Helms



For lurkers interested, a couple good reads in regards to IIFYM:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/817188-iifym
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1380837-article-on-iifym-great-read

I must have read that quote somewhere cuz that was what inspired what I said.

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Unhappy, unhealthy, unfit person here checking in.

Sup there, my gelato princess?

Nuffin. Just #eatingclean

OMG ME TOO!

Michael Jordan eats hot dogs, and Spongebob Thighgap eats chocolate... Hmmmm

Go ahead, tell Samuel L. He's wrong for eating his burger.

He is wrong. I don't see ketchup and mustard

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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because, HEY, why not. It will give me something to read when I get back from the gym later.

I'm freaked out by all the chemicals and hormones in our food nowadays. Not in a tin-hatty kind of way, but in a very broad, very general, we eat all this chemical nonsense and we also have all these new diseases, kids these days have loads of allergies, no one knows where the high rates of autism are coming from, etc. I don't KNOW s*hit about what causes anything, and I don't claim to. But our environment is contaminated and I think a lot of our food is too. We use a lot of things in food now that haven't been around long enough to determine if they have adverse health affects. It doesn't make me wildly comfortable.

For that and other reasons I am trying to eat "cleaner." To me that means more fresh fruits and veg, and meat that isn't fed a lot of crap. Luckily, I can afford to that. Also, I tend to feel better and have more energy, have an easier time meeting macros and micros, and have an easier time losing weight.

But I'm also human. I would go insane eating like that all the time. I'm going to get take out maybe once a week. Usually greek or indian yummmmmm. I will buy myself a cupcake once a month. Every few months I cave and have a diet coke. I will eat a burger now and then. Most people are like me, and would go crazy if they had to focus on eating perfectly clean all the time, regardless of what clean meant to them. Restricting yourself to any diet entirely is really really hard and can lead to "unclean" binges.

The way you feed yourself and your family is personal, maybe as personal as religion or lifestyle. For me personally, if I get sick one day, I don't want to look back and wonder if healthier habits could have helped me. Instead, I want to work on my mental and physical health now while I'm young, which to me includes a moderated effort to eat as unprocessed and "clean" as I can, while acknowledging that exceptions are necessary to my mental well being.

OP, you can't force anyone to do anything, especially if you act like your way is the only way.

Do you use air freshener in your house?

No, I don't. I hate the smell.

I'm also guessing you didn't read my entire post, where I very rationally explain why being totally clean is difficult.

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Skullshank is pretty helpful and I read his post twice. Nothing condescending or bullying about it at all. You say that the thickness of your skin is fine but it isn't.

I really suggest bookmarking all the links and maybe take a breather. Come back and read them and realize he really was just trying to help you.

You seem to really want a response, so here it is. I don't need your help, nor do I need help from "skullshank". I have lost 12 pounds in the last 25 days. I did not come here looking for guidance. I simply replied that I agree that making healthier choices when it comes to food could indeed assist in one's weight loss journey. I don't understand where the thickness of my skin comes into play here, but I assure you I am not over here crying because of some dude on an online forum. I am just not going to say YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT SIR! EATING A BALANCED DIET IS COMPLETELY INSANE AND I WILL STOP DOING THAT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE I AM WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT.

If you read the links, you'd see that they promote a balanced diet but...okay then. Maybe you might need to take a step back.

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Guess I'm a Chinese Cheeseburger since I eat those things on a regular basis.

ohhhh you eat chinese and cheeseburgers. i thought there was some new food out there and i knew nothing about it

I bet if we try hard enough we can make this a thing

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Skullshank is pretty helpful and I read his post twice. Nothing condescending or bullying about it at all. You say that the thickness of your skin is fine but it isn't.

I really suggest bookmarking all the links and maybe take a breather. Come back and read them and realize he really was just trying to help you.

You seem to really want a response, so here it is. I don't need your help, nor do I need help from "skullshank". I have lost 12 pounds in the last 25 days. I did not come here looking for guidance. I simply replied that I agree that making healthier choices when it comes to food could indeed assist in one's weight loss journey. I don't understand where the thickness of my skin comes into play here, but I assure you I am not over here crying because of some dude on an online forum. I am just not going to say YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT SIR! EATING A BALANCED DIET IS COMPLETELY INSANE AND I WILL STOP DOING THAT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE I AM WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT.

If you read the links, you'd see that they promote a balanced diet but...okay then. Maybe you might need to take a step back.

Coming from the person who has posted like 5 times looking for a response from me?

+5000 LMAO

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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because, HEY, why not. It will give me something to read when I get back from the gym later.

I'm freaked out by all the chemicals and hormones in our food nowadays. Not in a tin-hatty kind of way, but in a very broad, very general, we eat all this chemical nonsense and we also have all these new diseases, kids these days have loads of allergies, no one knows where the high rates of autism are coming from, etc. I don't KNOW s*hit about what causes anything, and I don't claim to. But our environment is contaminated and I think a lot of our food is too. We use a lot of things in food now that haven't been around long enough to determine if they have adverse health affects. It doesn't make me wildly comfortable.

For that and other reasons I am trying to eat "cleaner." To me that means more fresh fruits and veg, and meat that isn't fed a lot of crap. Luckily, I can afford to that. Also, I tend to feel better and have more energy, have an easier time meeting macros and micros, and have an easier time losing weight.

But I'm also human. I would go insane eating like that all the time. I'm going to get take out maybe once a week. Usually greek or indian yummmmmm. I will buy myself a cupcake once a month. Every few months I cave and have a diet coke. I will eat a burger now and then. Most people are like me, and would go crazy if they had to focus on eating perfectly clean all the time, regardless of what clean meant to them. Restricting yourself to any diet entirely is really really hard and can lead to "unclean" binges.

The way you feed yourself and your family is personal, maybe as personal as religion or lifestyle. For me personally, if I get sick one day, I don't want to look back and wonder if healthier habits could have helped me. Instead, I want to work on my mental and physical health now while I'm young, which to me includes a moderated effort to eat as unprocessed and "clean" as I can, while acknowledging that exceptions are necessary to my mental well being.

OP, you can't force anyone to do anything, especially if you act like your way is the only way.

Do you use air freshener in your house?

Or carpet or wood or plastic?
drive a car?
use a microwave?
cell phone?
contrails?