If eating trash makes us sick, why do we keep eating it?

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

I'm not turning this into a baking soda debate and I'm finished being talked down to by immature people. I am however encouraging everyone to eat less junk and more nutrient dense food, that's all. I, personally, don't want anything in my body that is used to remove paint when I have all the macro and micro nutrients available to me through natural and unprocessed foods.

Good luck all. I wish you guys the best. And don't say I'm running, I've spent a good part of my day debating with you guys. I'm tired now and need to get some stuff done!

One can use bananas to whiten teeth. Lemons polish some metals like a champ. Penicillin is a fungus. Orange peel makes a great cleaner. Mayo removes water stains from wood. Cucumbers remove wrinkles. Cayenne pepper on the floorboards deters ants. Just because something has an alternative use does not make it toxic.

If they had funny sounding chemical names that would become toxic

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

I'm not turning this into a baking soda debate and I'm finished being talked down to by immature people. I am however encouraging everyone to eat less junk and more nutrient dense food, that's all. I, personally, don't want anything in my body that is used to remove paint when I have all the macro and micro nutrients available to me through natural and unprocessed foods.

Good luck all. I wish you guys the best. And don't say I'm running, I've spent a good part of my day debating with you guys. I'm tired now and need to get some stuff done!

If you take all the sodium bicarbonate out of your body, you will die. There is a very delicate acid/base balance in the body and sodium bicarbonate is used to keep the base balance. If your body becomes too acidic - whoops! There you go....

HealthyBodySickMind wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about dumpster diving.

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

I'm not turning this into a baking soda debate and I'm finished being talked down to by immature people. I am however encouraging everyone to eat less junk and more nutrient dense food, that's all. I, personally, don't want anything in my body that is used to remove paint when I have all the macro and micro nutrients available to me through natural and unprocessed foods.

Good luck all. I wish you guys the best. And don't say I'm running, I've spent a good part of my day debating with you guys. I'm tired now and need to get some stuff done!

That's not debating...

emily_stew wrote: »

Re: the title of the OP
I ask my dog this exact same question verbatim whenever she eats some garbage and then invariably barfs it up the carpet a few hours later.
I however, do not eat trash. I eat food.
Also, just from skimming the first few and last few pages of this thread (just like how I completed high school book reports), I think I have bingo, and I also learned that baking soda is toxic? As the Swedish Chef would say, Wurt Da Furk.
Like seriously, what is this?!

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Sodium bicarbonate is used in a process for removing paint and corrosion called sodablasting; the process is particularly suitable for cleaning aluminium panels which can be distorted by other types of abrasive. It can be administered to pools, spas, and garden ponds to raise pH levels.[11] It has weak disinfectant properties,[12][13] and it may be an effective fungicide against some organisms.[14] Because baking soda will absorb musty smells, it has become a reliable method for used-book sellers when making books less malodorous.[15]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate

Because it can be used for cleaning items, it's toxic? Better stay away from dihydrogen monoxide then. They call it The Universal Solvent!

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JeffseekingV wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

adowe wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

parkscs wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!

Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.

That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.

But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

People judge but don't want to be judged..

I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.

If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.

For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!

While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.

Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual

"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"


There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.

Also, please do go out and learn more.

From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.

My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.

I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.

1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases

You agree or disagree?

2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

You agree or disagree?

I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.

I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.

Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!

OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.

Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.

I really do mean well. I promise.

Well whatever you did appeared to have worked for you. Looking at your profile it appears to be reasonable. But maybe you need to further educate yourself on your sources. Some of them come across pretty controversial. Stating that food is "bad" doesn't go over well here. IMHO, there's never been a time where we had such nutrient dense foods available to us and at the same time had so much nutrient deficient foods available to us. There's never been a time where us as individuals have required to be educated about what we eat. It's up us and not anyone else to know what we eat. Or if we choose to eat, know the "why".

Then why are so many people sick, obese, dying, not knowing where to turn? If we are free indeed to make our own choices, perhaps it does have something to do with manipulation and addiction from the manufacturers to consumers because why aren't we choosing better quality and fresher foods then? Based on statistics, we are more unhealthy as a culture than we are healthy and thriving.

Not to you specifically but I think we really need to be open to people trying to make a better world by offering ideas, information and personal experience that has worked for them in many ways. Sometimes, we need to look beyond the scientic reasoning and explaining and just embrace the fact that fresh fruits and veggies are far more helpful to us vs harmful, like 90% of what's in a typical grocery store. The proof is in the pudding.

And thank you the compliment on my weight loss, as that's how I'm taking it.

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RGv2 wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

MrM27 wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

adowe wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

parkscs wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!

Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.

That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.

But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

People judge but don't want to be judged..

I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.

If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.

For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!

While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.

Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual

"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"


There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.

Also, please do go out and learn more.

From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.

My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.

I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.

1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases

You agree or disagree?

2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

You agree or disagree?

I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.

I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.

Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!

OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.

Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.

I really do mean well. I promise.

Well whatever you did appeared to have worked for you. Looking at your profile it appears to be reasonable. But maybe you need to further educate yourself on your sources. Some of them come across pretty controversial. Stating that food is "bad" doesn't go over well here. IMHO, there's never been a time where we had such nutrient dense foods available to us and at the same time had so much nutrient deficient foods available to us. There's never been a time where us as individuals have required to be educated about what we eat. It's up us and not anyone else to know what we eat. Or if we choose to eat, know the "why".

Then why are so many people sick, obese, dying, not knowing where to turn? If we are free indeed to make our own choices, perhaps it does have something to do with manipulation and addiction from the manufacturers to consumers because why aren't we choosing better quality and fresher foods then? Based on statistics, we are more unhealthy as a culture than we are healthy and thriving.

Not to you specifically but I think we really need to be open to people trying to make a better world by offering ideas, information and personal experience that has worked for them in many ways. Sometimes, we need to look beyond the scientic reasoning and explaining and just embrace the fact that fresh fruits and veggies are far more helpful to us vs harmful, like 90% of what's in a typical grocery store. The proof is in the pudding.

And thank you the compliment on my weight loss, as that's how I'm taking it.

It is so clear that you have watched a great deal of fear mongering documentaries. The issue with that is if you believe them then try to push it on to others, you can't back up what you hear in the show with regurgitated information from the show. You actually have to provide the facts. Research what they say for yourself. They throw out random numbers which is exactly what you are doing.

I am living proof that this works. I don't need a degree or a list of facts to be confident in sharing what has worked for me and what has also been tragic in my life regarding what you eat, including many people that I know. Next time I will start with my story rather than try to skip it. My apologies for coming off too strong at first, without including my personal details.

Ever hear of hard knocks? That's where I got my degree and facts but I certainly will not get into that here.

You're trying to pass it as fact though. No one has said that eating healthy is bad and that it doesn't work, it's that you're trying to pass falsities that fast food is "toxic" as a fact.

If it's not toxic, then what do you say it is? Because to me, I've watched people (myself and husband included) get very sick and unproductive to society when they eat this food on a regular basis. I've also watched how mostly abstaining from it can heal you in many ways.

The OP asked how to combat the cravings for junk food and asked why it makes him feel the way he does. I simply answered his question. He can take the idea of giving up junk food and watch how his health immaculately improves or he can not. Same to all of you. I'm not overreacting, name calling or bashing on anyone else because they are defending mc Donalds and kfc and stating that they cured heart disease by eating junk, while I believe, being serious.

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

MrM27 wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

adowe wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

parkscs wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!

Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.

That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.

But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

People judge but don't want to be judged..

I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.

If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.

For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!

While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.

Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual

"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"


There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.

Also, please do go out and learn more.

From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.

My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.

I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.

1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases

You agree or disagree?

2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

You agree or disagree?

I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.

I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.

Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!

OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.

Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.

I really do mean well. I promise.

Well whatever you did appeared to have worked for you. Looking at your profile it appears to be reasonable. But maybe you need to further educate yourself on your sources. Some of them come across pretty controversial. Stating that food is "bad" doesn't go over well here. IMHO, there's never been a time where we had such nutrient dense foods available to us and at the same time had so much nutrient deficient foods available to us. There's never been a time where us as individuals have required to be educated about what we eat. It's up us and not anyone else to know what we eat. Or if we choose to eat, know the "why".

Then why are so many people sick, obese, dying, not knowing where to turn? If we are free indeed to make our own choices, perhaps it does have something to do with manipulation and addiction from the manufacturers to consumers because why aren't we choosing better quality and fresher foods then? Based on statistics, we are more unhealthy as a culture than we are healthy and thriving.

Not to you specifically but I think we really need to be open to people trying to make a better world by offering ideas, information and personal experience that has worked for them in many ways. Sometimes, we need to look beyond the scientic reasoning and explaining and just embrace the fact that fresh fruits and veggies are far more helpful to us vs harmful, like 90% of what's in a typical grocery store. The proof is in the pudding.

And thank you the compliment on my weight loss, as that's how I'm taking it.

It is so clear that you have watched a great deal of fear mongering documentaries. The issue with that is if you believe them then try to push it on to others, you can't back up what you hear in the show with regurgitated information from the show. You actually have to provide the facts. Research what they say for yourself. They throw out random numbers which is exactly what you are doing.

I am living proof that this works. I don't need a degree or a list of facts to be confident in sharing what has worked for me and what has also been tragic in my life regarding what you eat, including many people that I know. Next time I will start with my story rather than try to skip it. My apologies for coming off too strong at first, without including my personal details.

Ever hear of hard knocks? That's where I got my degree and facts but I certainly will not get into that here.

You're trying to pass it as fact though. No one has said that eating healthy is bad and that it doesn't work, it's that you're trying to pass falsities that fast food is "toxic" as a fact.

If it's not toxic, then what do you say it is? Because to me, I've watched people (myself and husband included) get very sick and unproductive to society when they eat this food on a regular basis. I've also watched how mostly abstaining from it can heal you in many ways.

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It's food, that's what it is. How to apply your opinion on "toxic" fast food to all of the people who eat it and don't get sick or unproductive to society? I have two brothers (late 20s and early 30s) who eat fast food every day and are both fit, healthy and more active than anyone I know. Why don't the toxins affect them?

Exactly, they are in 20s and 30s. Give it 10 years, maybe sooner.

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Seasoning (Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, Onion Powder), Soy Protein Concentrate, Rice Starch and Sodium Phosphates. Battered with: Water, Wheat Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Salt, Dextrose, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Predusted with: Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Dried Egg Whites, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Breaded with: Wheat Flour, Salt, Soy Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Nonfat Dry Milk, Onion Powder, Dextrose, Extractives of Turmeric and Extractives of Annatto. Breading Set in Vegetable oil.

http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/134-the-worst-restaurant-of-the-year-award-goes-to-kentucky-fried-chicken-kfc.html

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GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

I_Will_End_You wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

RGv2 wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

MrM27 wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

adowe wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

JeffseekingV wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

parkscs wrote: »

GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »

Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!

Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.

That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.

But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

People judge but don't want to be judged..

I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.

If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.

For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!

While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.

Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual

"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"


There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.

Also, please do go out and learn more.

From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.

My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.

I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.

1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases

You agree or disagree?

2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

You agree or disagree?

I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.

I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.

Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!

OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.

Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.

I really do mean well. I promise.

Well whatever you did appeared to have worked for you. Looking at your profile it appears to be reasonable. But maybe you need to further educate yourself on your sources. Some of them come across pretty controversial. Stating that food is "bad" doesn't go over well here. IMHO, there's never been a time where we had such nutrient dense foods available to us and at the same time had so much nutrient deficient foods available to us. There's never been a time where us as individuals have required to be educated about what we eat. It's up us and not anyone else to know what we eat. Or if we choose to eat, know the "why".

Then why are so many people sick, obese, dying, not knowing where to turn? If we are free indeed to make our own choices, perhaps it does have something to do with manipulation and addiction from the manufacturers to consumers because why aren't we choosing better quality and fresher foods then? Based on statistics, we are more unhealthy as a culture than we are healthy and thriving.

Not to you specifically but I think we really need to be open to people trying to make a better world by offering ideas, information and personal experience that has worked for them in many ways. Sometimes, we need to look beyond the scientic reasoning and explaining and just embrace the fact that fresh fruits and veggies are far more helpful to us vs harmful, like 90% of what's in a typical grocery store. The proof is in the pudding.

And thank you the compliment on my weight loss, as that's how I'm taking it.

It is so clear that you have watched a great deal of fear mongering documentaries. The issue with that is if you believe them then try to push it on to others, you can't back up what you hear in the show with regurgitated information from the show. You actually have to provide the facts. Research what they say for yourself. They throw out random numbers which is exactly what you are doing.

I am living proof that this works. I don't need a degree or a list of facts to be confident in sharing what has worked for me and what has also been tragic in my life regarding what you eat, including many people that I know. Next time I will start with my story rather than try to skip it. My apologies for coming off too strong at first, without including my personal details.

Ever hear of hard knocks? That's where I got my degree and facts but I certainly will not get into that here.

You're trying to pass it as fact though. No one has said that eating healthy is bad and that it doesn't work, it's that you're trying to pass falsities that fast food is "toxic" as a fact.

If it's not toxic, then what do you say it is? Because to me, I've watched people (myself and husband included) get very sick and unproductive to society when they eat this food on a regular basis. I've also watched how mostly abstaining from it can heal you in many ways.

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It's food, that's what it is. How to apply your opinion on "toxic" fast food to all of the people who eat it and don't get sick or unproductive to society? I have two brothers (late 20s and early 30s) who eat fast food every day and are both fit, healthy and more active than anyone I know. Why don't the toxins affect them?

Exactly, they are in 20s and 30s. Give it 10 years, maybe sooner.

What about my grandfather who was in his 90's?

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Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!

Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.

That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.

But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

People judge but don't want to be judged..

I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.

If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.

For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!

While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.

Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual

"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"


There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.

Also, please do go out and learn more.

From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.

My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.

I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.

1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases

You agree or disagree?

2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

You agree or disagree?

I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.

I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.

Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!

OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.

Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.

I really do mean well. I promise.

Well whatever you did appeared to have worked for you. Looking at your profile it appears to be reasonable. But maybe you need to further educate yourself on your sources. Some of them come across pretty controversial. Stating that food is "bad" doesn't go over well here. IMHO, there's never been a time where we had such nutrient dense foods available to us and at the same time had so much nutrient deficient foods available to us. There's never been a time where us as individuals have required to be educated about what we eat. It's up us and not anyone else to know what we eat. Or if we choose to eat, know the "why".

Then why are so many people sick, obese, dying, not knowing where to turn? If we are free indeed to make our own choices, perhaps it does have something to do with manipulation and addiction from the manufacturers to consumers because why aren't we choosing better quality and fresher foods then? Based on statistics, we are more unhealthy as a culture than we are healthy and thriving.

Not to you specifically but I think we really need to be open to people trying to make a better world by offering ideas, information and personal experience that has worked for them in many ways. Sometimes, we need to look beyond the scientic reasoning and explaining and just embrace the fact that fresh fruits and veggies are far more helpful to us vs harmful, like 90% of what's in a typical grocery store. The proof is in the pudding.

And thank you the compliment on my weight loss, as that's how I'm taking it.

It is so clear that you have watched a great deal of fear mongering documentaries. The issue with that is if you believe them then try to push it on to others, you can't back up what you hear in the show with regurgitated information from the show. You actually have to provide the facts. Research what they say for yourself. They throw out random numbers which is exactly what you are doing.

I am living proof that this works. I don't need a degree or a list of facts to be confident in sharing what has worked for me and what has also been tragic in my life regarding what you eat, including many people that I know. Next time I will start with my story rather than try to skip it. My apologies for coming off too strong at first, without including my personal details.

Ever hear of hard knocks? That's where I got my degree and facts but I certainly will not get into that here.

You're trying to pass it as fact though. No one has said that eating healthy is bad and that it doesn't work, it's that you're trying to pass falsities that fast food is "toxic" as a fact.

If it's not toxic, then what do you say it is? Because to me, I've watched people (myself and husband included) get very sick and unproductive to society when they eat this food on a regular basis. I've also watched how mostly abstaining from it can heal you in many ways.

.

It's food, that's what it is. How to apply your opinion on "toxic" fast food to all of the people who eat it and don't get sick or unproductive to society? I have two brothers (late 20s and early 30s) who eat fast food every day and are both fit, healthy and more active than anyone I know. Why don't the toxins affect them?

Exactly, they are in 20s and 30s. Give it 10 years, maybe sooner.

What about my grandfather who was in his 90's?

According to that math, I am surprised I am still around!

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because youre not supposed to eat a pile at a time, a piece or two a day. It is not the candies fault, it is your fault. Get your mind in line and the body will follow.