If eating trash makes us sick, why do we keep eating it?
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
You can argue it, but that doesn't make you right. You don't have to exercise daily for long term success. While those who exercise have a higher rate of long term success than those who don't, there are still those with long term success who don't exercise at all. There are also a large number of people who successfully keep their weight down long term who exercise, but not daily.
And the "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death" ... really. Have you heard of anorexia? You're aware that people do indeed die from it? And malnutrition? People have died from that while dieting, too, though it's much more unusual.-1 -
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It's not bad. No brazzers, but not bad.0 -
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
You can argue it, but that doesn't make you right. You don't have to exercise daily for long term success. While those who exercise have a higher rate of long term success than those who don't, there are still those with long term success who don't exercise at all. There are also a large number of people who successfully keep their weight down long term who exercise, but not daily.
And the "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death" ... really. Have you heard of anorexia? You're aware that people do indeed die from it? And malnutrition? People have died from that while dieting, too, though it's much more unusual.
So those who exercise have a higher rate of success... and I am wrong how? I think you're getting hung up on the word daily. It does not mean hitting the gym 7 days week for grueling workout sessions...
As far as "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death"... I guess I phrased it poorly. I think when people put too much focus on diet and not enough on daily exercise they can run the risk of disordered eating with death being the worst consequence of all. The mindset of, "I have to lose weight so I will go on this diet or that diet, or I will exclude this food or that food." I think if people just started daily exercise first before they even tinker with what or how much they are eating (which of course they should eventually do) they would be so much better off.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
I wish that were true but people die from anorexia all the time.
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
I wish that were true but people die from anorexia all the time.
I addressed that in the comment above. Like I said, I probably phrased it poorly.0 -
I bet there is an essential oil that will fix this.
Maybe Calorie Thief mix.0 -
Oil pulling will address the inflammation. Really.0
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
You can argue it, but that doesn't make you right. You don't have to exercise daily for long term success. While those who exercise have a higher rate of long term success than those who don't, there are still those with long term success who don't exercise at all. There are also a large number of people who successfully keep their weight down long term who exercise, but not daily.
And the "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death" ... really. Have you heard of anorexia? You're aware that people do indeed die from it? And malnutrition? People have died from that while dieting, too, though it's much more unusual.
So those who exercise have a higher rate of success... and I am wrong how? I think you're getting hung up on the word daily. It does not mean hitting the gym 7 days week for grueling workout sessions...
As far as "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death"... I guess I phrased it poorly. I think when people put too much focus on diet and not enough on daily exercise they can run the risk of disordered eating with death being the worst consequence of all. The mindset of, "I have to lose weight so I will go on this diet or that diet, or I will exclude this food or that food." I think if people just started daily exercise first before they even tinker with what or how much they are eating (which of course they should eventually do) they would be so much better off.
Wrong because you can always control your weight through diet no matter how little exercise you do - which makes diet the primary component for success. You can't out-exercise any diet, which makes exercise a secondary component for success.
Of course people who exercise some have a higher rate of success because they have more leeway in their diet. No argument there.
Well, OK. Then what exactly does daily exercise mean to you? To me it means getting some kind of deliberate exercise in 7 days a week - doesn't have to be a gym, could be a walk or similar. I wasn't really thinking of 'killing it in the gym'. There are still plenty of people on this site that have had long term success only doing 3-4 days of deliberate exercise. Some that have long term success with no regular deliberate exercise. Daily exercise is not necessary to keep weight off.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
You can argue it, but that doesn't make you right. You don't have to exercise daily for long term success. While those who exercise have a higher rate of long term success than those who don't, there are still those with long term success who don't exercise at all. There are also a large number of people who successfully keep their weight down long term who exercise, but not daily.
And the "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death" ... really. Have you heard of anorexia? You're aware that people do indeed die from it? And malnutrition? People have died from that while dieting, too, though it's much more unusual.
So those who exercise have a higher rate of success... and I am wrong how? I think you're getting hung up on the word daily. It does not mean hitting the gym 7 days week for grueling workout sessions...
As far as "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death"... I guess I phrased it poorly. I think when people put too much focus on diet and not enough on daily exercise they can run the risk of disordered eating with death being the worst consequence of all. The mindset of, "I have to lose weight so I will go on this diet or that diet, or I will exclude this food or that food." I think if people just started daily exercise first before they even tinker with what or how much they are eating (which of course they should eventually do) they would be so much better off.
Wrong because you can always control your weight through diet no matter how little exercise you do - which makes diet the primary component for success. You can't out-exercise any diet, which makes exercise a secondary component for success.
Of course people who exercise some have a higher rate of success because they have more leeway in their diet. No argument there.
Well, OK. Then what exactly does daily exercise mean to you? To me it means getting some kind of deliberate exercise in 7 days a week - doesn't have to be a gym, could be a walk or similar. I wasn't really thinking of 'killing it in the gym'. There are still plenty of people on this site that have had long term success only doing 3-4 days of deliberate exercise. Some that have long term success with no regular deliberate exercise. Daily exercise is not necessary to keep weight off.
I respectfully disagree...
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I think the combination of sugar, fat, and flour does to my brain what drugs or alcohol does for addicts. I've smoked cigarettes in the past and I've been addicted to cigarettes in the sense that I've craved them, and it was hard to kick the habit, but those cravings were nothing like my cravings for sweet foods.
Hmm, interesting.
I'm skeptical that it's actually related to the physical properties of the food--there's just so much variation and sugar and fat seems okay in some ways but not others for people who have trigger foods--but I do think that eating disordered behavior is analogous to addiction in lots of ways. It's just that it's more a food addiction or pattern (binging or the like) rather than an actual physical response to, say, sugar, as the current popular "sugar is just like crack" stuff would have it.
But whenever I read about or hear people talking about binging disorders, it does sound a LOT like my experience with booze. And I am enormously grateful that although I've misused food from time to time (stress eating and the like) that I don't have those tendencies with it or really know what binging is like.
And I know that acknowledging a lack of control around something -- if done properly -- doesn't mean that you are making excuses or claiming no responsibility for your choices. So good for you doing what you need to do.
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes, no-one said diet was the only factor in obesity, of course inactivity is too. and no one said obesity, caused largely by diet, ie consuming an excess amount of calories, is the only factor in heart disease (in fact i made a point of saying it was not the only factor.)
Nevertheless it is a very significant factor and it is a factor over which we have control - we cannot control our genetics or our gender - but we can control our weight.
I would argue that obesity is less about diet and more about inactivity. No matter what diet you choose, you have to exercise daily in order to have success in the longterm. You can out-train a caloric surplus (within reason) but your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death...
You can argue it, but that doesn't make you right. You don't have to exercise daily for long term success. While those who exercise have a higher rate of long term success than those who don't, there are still those with long term success who don't exercise at all. There are also a large number of people who successfully keep their weight down long term who exercise, but not daily.
And the "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death" ... really. Have you heard of anorexia? You're aware that people do indeed die from it? And malnutrition? People have died from that while dieting, too, though it's much more unusual.
So those who exercise have a higher rate of success... and I am wrong how? I think you're getting hung up on the word daily. It does not mean hitting the gym 7 days week for grueling workout sessions...
As far as "your body will not allow you to diet yourself to death"... I guess I phrased it poorly. I think when people put too much focus on diet and not enough on daily exercise they can run the risk of disordered eating with death being the worst consequence of all. The mindset of, "I have to lose weight so I will go on this diet or that diet, or I will exclude this food or that food." I think if people just started daily exercise first before they even tinker with what or how much they are eating (which of course they should eventually do) they would be so much better off.
Wrong because you can always control your weight through diet no matter how little exercise you do - which makes diet the primary component for success. You can't out-exercise any diet, which makes exercise a secondary component for success.
Of course people who exercise some have a higher rate of success because they have more leeway in their diet. No argument there.
Well, OK. Then what exactly does daily exercise mean to you? To me it means getting some kind of deliberate exercise in 7 days a week - doesn't have to be a gym, could be a walk or similar. I wasn't really thinking of 'killing it in the gym'. There are still plenty of people on this site that have had long term success only doing 3-4 days of deliberate exercise. Some that have long term success with no regular deliberate exercise. Daily exercise is not necessary to keep weight off.
I respectfully disagree...
With part or all of it?0 -
What if it's not due to the intake and digestion of the sugar/fat/flour, but of how the person regards them in their mind?lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm skeptical that it's actually related to the physical properties of the food--there's just so much variation and sugar and fat seems okay in some ways but not others for people who have trigger foods--but I do think that eating disordered behavior is analogous to addiction in lots of ways.
What if it were wholly psychosomatic?
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If that were true, it seems like it would be a helpful thing to know. If I were currently struggling with a perceived lack of control over something, I'd want to understand as well as I could the underlying reasons.
I do think that believing you can't control yourself after ingesting something causes that to be true (or even more true).0 -
Yeah. I can agree with that.
Just throwing that thought out there, I've seen nothing to ever indicate that it is probable, but it would be interesting, no?0
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