Diet Soda
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
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Then why would it be recommended for diabetics?FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
We recommend choosing zero-calorie or very low-calorie drinks. This includes:
Water
Unsweetened teas
Coffee
Diet soda
Other low-calorie drinks and drink mixes
You can also try flavoring your water with a squeeze of lemon or lime juice for a light, refreshing drink with some flavor. All of these drinks provide minimal calories and carbohydrate.
- See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/making-healthy-food-choices/what-can-i-drink.html?loc=ff-slabnav#sthash.XmRIoUCA.dpuf
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Wait an SSB is a sugar based drink. Not the same as a diet drink by any means.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
This is from the abstract:
Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), which include soft drinks, fruit drinks, iced tea, and energy and vitamin water drinks has risen across the globe. Regular consumption of SSBs has been associated with weight gain and risk of overweight and obesity, but the role of SSBs in the development of related chronic metabolic diseases, such as metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes, has not been quantitatively reviewed.
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I figured out if you cut out soda (sugar) you could lose 10 pounds. I ate something and lost the taste for sugar. yes I still want it on stress days, but I go to the water fountain instead. I'm 10 pounds down now and 2 weeks without sugary drink. the exception is a energy drink (only 1) when needed for work purpose. also doctors orders.0
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But we're talking about DIET soda here.jcliff1989 wrote: »I figured out if you cut out soda (sugar) you could lose 10 pounds. I ate something and lost the taste for sugar. yes I still want it on stress days, but I go to the water fountain instead. I'm 10 pounds down now and 2 weeks without sugary drink. the exception is a energy drink (only 1) when needed for work purpose. also doctors orders.
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But we're talking about DIET soda here.jcliff1989 wrote: »I figured out if you cut out soda (sugar) you could lose 10 pounds. I ate something and lost the taste for sugar. yes I still want it on stress days, but I go to the water fountain instead. I'm 10 pounds down now and 2 weeks without sugary drink. the exception is a energy drink (only 1) when needed for work purpose. also doctors orders.
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Apparently we can talk about anything and conclude that diet soda is bad.0 -
Science bomb:
Aspartamine / artificial sweetener
"Finally, the results of the extensive
scientific research done to evaluate these allegations did not show a causal
relationship between aspartame and adverse effects. Thus, the weight of
scientific evidence confirms that, even in amounts many times what people
typically consume, aspartame is safe for its intended uses as a sweetener and
flavor enhancer”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754527“
“When all the research on aspartame, including
evaluations in both the pre-marketing and post marketing periods, is examined
as a whole, it is clear that aspartame is safe, and there are no unresolved
questions regarding its safety under conditions of intended use.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494
“Aspartame's metabolism is well understood and
follows that of other common foods. Aspartame consumption, even at levels much
higher than that expected under typical circumstances, has virtually no impact
on levels of other blood constituents such as amino acids, methanol or
glucose.”“Aspartame is a well-studied sweetener whose safety is clearly
documents and well established through extensive laboratory testing, animal
experiments, epidemiological studies, and human clinical trials.“Controlled and
thorough scientific studies confirm aspartame's safety and find NO CREDIBLE
LINK between consumption of aspartame at levels found in the human diet and
conditions related to the nervous system and behavior, nor any other symptom or
illness.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
“Aspartame does not increase hunger in those who
use it; the contrary, studies indicate it might be an effective tool as part of
an overall weight management program.”“Aspartame is well-characterized,
throughout studied, high-intensity sweetener that has a long history for safe
use in the food supply and can help reduce the caloric content of a wide variety
of foods”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10882825
"Aspartame: No scientific evidence supports
the claims that aspartame — an artificial sweetener used in many diet soft
drinks and other foods — causes MS. More information about aspartame is
available through the International Food Information Council Foundation,
NutraSweet and U.S. Food and Drug Administration websites.” http://www.nationalmssociety.org/.../Disproved-theories
http://www.cancer.org/.../othercarcinogens/athome/aspartame
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19464334
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16985027
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754527
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2861297
http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/.../Irelandaspartamefactshe...
http://www.mayoclinic.org/.../artificial.../art-20046936
http://web.archive.org/.../cance.../factsheet/AspartameQandA
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/supporting/doc/1641.pdf
"Aspartame is a highly studied food additive
with decades of research showing that it is safe for human consumption. As
expected, the research is complex making it possible to cherry pick and
misinterpret individual studies in order to fear monger. But the totality of
research, reviewed by many independent agencies and expert panels, supports the
safety of aspartame.
A conspiracy to hide the risks of aspartame,
however, remains a popular internet urban legend that will likely not disappear
anytime soon.”
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
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Science bomb:
Aspartamine / artificial sweetener
"Finally, the results of the extensive
scientific research done to evaluate these allegations did not show a causal
relationship between aspartame and adverse effects. Thus, the weight of
scientific evidence confirms that, even in amounts many times what people
typically consume, aspartame is safe for its intended uses as a sweetener and
flavor enhancer”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754527“
“When all the research on aspartame, including
evaluations in both the pre-marketing and post marketing periods, is examined
as a whole, it is clear that aspartame is safe, and there are no unresolved
questions regarding its safety under conditions of intended use.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494
“Aspartame's metabolism is well understood and
follows that of other common foods. Aspartame consumption, even at levels much
higher than that expected under typical circumstances, has virtually no impact
on levels of other blood constituents such as amino acids, methanol or
glucose.”“Aspartame is a well-studied sweetener whose safety is clearly
documents and well established through extensive laboratory testing, animal
experiments, epidemiological studies, and human clinical trials.“Controlled and
thorough scientific studies confirm aspartame's safety and find NO CREDIBLE
LINK between consumption of aspartame at levels found in the human diet and
conditions related to the nervous system and behavior, nor any other symptom or
illness.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
“Aspartame does not increase hunger in those who
use it; the contrary, studies indicate it might be an effective tool as part of
an overall weight management program.”“Aspartame is well-characterized,
throughout studied, high-intensity sweetener that has a long history for safe
use in the food supply and can help reduce the caloric content of a wide variety
of foods”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10882825
"Aspartame: No scientific evidence supports
the claims that aspartame — an artificial sweetener used in many diet soft
drinks and other foods — causes MS. More information about aspartame is
available through the International Food Information Council Foundation,
NutraSweet and U.S. Food and Drug Administration websites.” http://www.nationalmssociety.org/.../Disproved-theories
http://www.cancer.org/.../othercarcinogens/athome/aspartame
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19464334
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16985027
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754527
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2861297
http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/.../Irelandaspartamefactshe...
http://www.mayoclinic.org/.../artificial.../art-20046936
http://web.archive.org/.../cance.../factsheet/AspartameQandA
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/supporting/doc/1641.pdf
"Aspartame is a highly studied food additive
with decades of research showing that it is safe for human consumption. As
expected, the research is complex making it possible to cherry pick and
misinterpret individual studies in order to fear monger. But the totality of
research, reviewed by many independent agencies and expert panels, supports the
safety of aspartame.
A conspiracy to hide the risks of aspartame,
however, remains a popular internet urban legend that will likely not disappear
anytime soon.”
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
What I take away from this is tht in the vast majority of people aspartame has no adverse effects that could be quantified by the trials carried out. You are always going to find some people who will show remarkable adverse effects but these will be on a case by case basis and won't always show up in the literature e.g.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21176433
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18627677
Other people might just feel a bit "off" and put the symptoms down to just not feeling their best that day and so it was never reported. Also, the effects that aspartame may or may not have might not be picked up on the tests conducted - my earlier post on a mouse study proposed that artificial sweetners (I'm not sure of the specific sweetners vs level of effect) had an effect on the gut flora which in turn led to metabolic effects/insulin resistance. I'm fairly sure that wasn't a standard test that would have been performed during the development programme. All we can say is that there is currently no strong evidence that aspartame is unsafe - that may (or may not) change in the future.
I don't use a lot of artifical sweetners myself as I am trying to kill off my sweet tooth, but I will drink a diet pepsi occasionally.0 -
The gut flora studies are certainly interesting but hard to say how much of a macro effect they actually have since their effects should have made themselves known by now. I imagine it's going to eventually discovered that other bacteria replace them as is the case with refined vs whole wheat flour where diet determines which of two types of bacteria are present in higher numbers.
Overall, if a person doesn't want to ingest artificial sweetners there is no reason to do it but also there seems to be no convincing reason not to use them unless you have a specific medical condition.0 -
Forget the weight gain, the chemicals you are consuming aren't doing you any good. Stick with all natural foods.0
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It's not at all bad. Some use it in their diets, it helps against high temperatures during summer, and helps the body in digesting food better if used sensibly.0
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rossinator63 wrote: »Forget the weight gain, the chemicals you are consuming aren't doing you any good. Stick with all natural foods.
Another great Argument to Nature. So tell me what you eat that isn't full of chemicals? I would love to hear.0 -
Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
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My favorite thing about that article is how diet soda is to blame for drunkenness.
I also like how it makes you unable to enjoy fruit. I've been drinking it for nearly 30 years (sometimes in moderation, like now, but sometimes more) and yet I enjoy fruit. When does this effect kick in?
The rest is mostly correlation stuff--I am not shocked that fatter people might be more likely to switch to diet. I also personally did not lose weight back in high school when I switched (although I didn't need to), no doubt because I replaced the calories with something else. I suspect this happens for most who don't otherwise watch what they eat. Doesn't mean that dumping high calorie drinks if you find 0 calorie drinks an adequate replacement won't be an easy way to cut calories if you are tracking.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
I need to find that soup thread, I missed that fun. I did read the baking soda thread though.0 -
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Wait an SSB is a sugar based drink. Not the same as a diet drink by any means.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
This is from the abstract:
Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), which include soft drinks, fruit drinks, iced tea, and energy and vitamin water drinks has risen across the globe. Regular consumption of SSBs has been associated with weight gain and risk of overweight and obesity, but the role of SSBs in the development of related chronic metabolic diseases, such as metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes, has not been quantitatively reviewed.
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You should try reading the entire journal.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
Wait... stop... timeout... did you ACTUALLY read the link you posted? The VERY FIRST LINE IS:Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), which include soft drinks, fruit drinks, iced tea, and energy and vitamin water drinks has risen across the globe.
This is a paper about SUGAR. Actual sugar... like the stuff with calories...
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »
Wait an SSB is a sugar based drink. Not the same as a diet drink by any means.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
This is from the abstract:
Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), which include soft drinks, fruit drinks, iced tea, and energy and vitamin water drinks has risen across the globe. Regular consumption of SSBs has been associated with weight gain and risk of overweight and obesity, but the role of SSBs in the development of related chronic metabolic diseases, such as metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes, has not been quantitatively reviewed.
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You should try reading the entire journal.
I just read the whole journal and a few of the references... not much referencing diet soda?0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »
You should try reading the entire journal.
The only mention of artificial sweeteners in the whole thing has to do with possible changing of your taste preferences. You will need to try harder.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
I don't think that says what you think it does.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »
Wait an SSB is a sugar based drink. Not the same as a diet drink by any means.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diet soda can increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome.
About as much as breathing oxygen can, or blinking your eyes more often than usual.
If you are going to make extraordinary claims you need to back those up with actual evidence.
"In addition to weight gain, higher consumption of SSBs is associated with development of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes."
"Findings from our meta-analyses show a clear link between SSB consumption and risk of metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. Based on coefficients from three prospective cohort studies including 19,431 participants and 5,803 cases of metabolic syndrome, participants in the highest category of intake had a 20% greater risk of developing metabolic syndrome than those in the lowest category of intake. For type 2 diabetes, based on data from eight prospective cohort studies (nine data points), including 310,819 participants and 15,043 cases of type 2 diabetes, participants in the highest category of SSB intake had a 26% greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than participants in the lowest category of intake."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963518/
This is from the abstract:
Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), which include soft drinks, fruit drinks, iced tea, and energy and vitamin water drinks has risen across the globe. Regular consumption of SSBs has been associated with weight gain and risk of overweight and obesity, but the role of SSBs in the development of related chronic metabolic diseases, such as metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes, has not been quantitatively reviewed.
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You should try reading the entire journal.
Yes YOU should!!!
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rossinator63 wrote: »Forget the weight gain, the chemicals you are consuming aren't doing you any good. Stick with all natural foods.
NO! you cant do that either!
100% of people who eat natural food DIE!
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rossinator63 wrote: »Forget the weight gain, the chemicals you are consuming aren't doing you any good. Stick with all natural foods.
And don't cook them. Other animals don't. It's unnatural.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
I need to find that soup thread, I missed that fun. I did read the baking soda thread though.
Best thread ever.
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Is road kill ok or do you have to hunt them down and kill them with a rock or stick?lemurcat12 wrote: »rossinator63 wrote: »Forget the weight gain, the chemicals you are consuming aren't doing you any good. Stick with all natural foods.
And don't cook them. Other animals don't. It's unnatural.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
I need to find that soup thread, I missed that fun. I did read the baking soda thread though.
Best thread ever.
"processing kills the nutrition".......in canned soup.
wut?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
I need to find that soup thread, I missed that fun. I did read the baking soda thread though.
Best thread ever.
That baking soda thread was AWESOME.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Aspartame is evil and puts holes in your brain
Sugar is the devil
Baking soda is toxic
Soup with water causes thyroid problems
I'm just compiling my favorite quotes of the week to start a Top 10 Thread, I need something to refer back to because I have a bunch of tiny holes in my brain from my 1 Diet Coke/day.
I should have realized the was something going on in that soup thread!
I need to find that soup thread, I missed that fun. I did read the baking soda thread though.
Best thread ever.
That baking soda thread was AWESOME.
That's still the best thread I've seen on here in a long...long time. Those handful of pages were epic.
"I'm educated on the issue" ramble.......
"I don't have a degree or certificate...something about college of hard knocks".......
Look at the ingredients in KFC, leaves off the first ingredient (fresh chicken)
It's toxic, look it has sodium bicarbonate used in soda blasting.
Gif's ensue.
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goddessofawesome wrote: »Using rats as an example of a product causing cancer in humans is a bit laughable. Rats and mice are used in cancer studies because it's incredibly easy to give them cancer. Then the scientists can use the cancer-ridden rats to experiment on with different potential cancer-curing drugs over and over again. For example, they've cured brain cancer in mice hundreds of times, it just never carries over in human trials because the human brain is so much more complex. Pet rats die of cancerous tumors pretty much all the time; they don't die of old age.
Saying that aspertame causes cancer is rats so it's going to in humans doesn't have much scientific merit.
Or it could be that mice and rats reproduce quickly and have a short life span so several generations can be observed in a short amount of time. Or it could be that they're inexpensive and can be bought in large quantities. Perhaps the fact that they're generally mild-tempered and docile so they're easy to handle? Or they're inbred so that they're almost genetically identical to help with the results of trials. OR their biological behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans and many human symptoms can be replicated in mice and rats.
If we don't use them then please tell me what we are supposed to use for testing of new drugs. Humans? I doubt that would go over well.
No, it actually is because they are extremely susceptible to cancer and it's quite easy to give them cancer.
I'm not sure what your last sentence is supposed to be arguing? They are used because of their susceptibility to cancer. Once something trialed looks successful in repetitive trials in rats, it moves to human trials.
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