women who dont shave
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I think a woman should do whatever *she* wants to do. I am more comfortable waxing, which is probably because of commonly held societal views, but at this point I am just more comfortable that way. However, if you prefer not to, don't! No one should HAVE to.0
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Love this guy...In for hairy girls. Or shaved ones. Or anything in between as long as they are funny and interesting
For the record I don't shave or pluck or wax or sand or thread or bleach or epillate as much as I used to (due to old ladyness and less hair growth.
One question perplexes me. Why do men find shave women attractive anyway (the whole prepubecent girl question)?
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RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help.0 -
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help.![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should not have given that advice WOOPTI-DOOO. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.0 -
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25 yrs ago I lived
in Brunei. I was blessed with a rather magnificent busom. If I went out in a vest type t-shirt the local guys would stare pretty damn hard at... my shaven armpits.... 0 -
RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
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RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help. Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should no thane gave woopti-doo. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.
are you southern? I read your responses in a southern accent.
you're putting words into my..fingers. you still don't understand and are getting worked up for a simple internet communication error. I tried to explain it..but it doesn't seem to be registering. I normally wouldn't spend so much time on this but I am bored and you keep responding like this is causing you distress. trying to clarify doesn't seem to be helping matters..and now you're making up things and twisting words.0 -
RedArizona5 wrote: »Guys love confidence I respect that but they also love the way our body is so smooth and when one shaves it plays that part of oneself more then guys love it.
Oh wow I wasn't aware that I was going to meet the ambassador of men today! I would have cleaned up a bit… maybe shaved even.
oh wow look it Im being sassed at. First off its true guys do love confidence and the smoothness of our skin so i don't get why you had to say that! Or am I lying yeah guys absolutely do not care at all what we do or not do I mean right? Caue a million of us woman walk around with hair on 1/3 parts that normally get shaved off…yep stupid me for saying something (rolling my eyes please)
It actually is not truth that men love/prefer smoothness. There have been tons of guys on this specific message board that have either said they don't care or like a woman who doesn't shave. I'm not saying not shaving is better than shaving or whatevs but please, do not speak for all men. My husband is very loving and attentive to me but seriously would not notice if I went a year without shaving, it just doesn't affect him one way or another. One time I grew out my pits for the fun of it and he actually thought it was really cool. You'd think with all your eye rolling you would have less of a narrow view on the world.0 -
RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.0 -
Personally, I am in favour of whatever makes a woman love herself. It's that simple. If you feel like shaving is a burden, or an obligation, or something that you do just because you're supposed to, then stop. It doesn't bother me in the least. Likewise, if you buy into the mindset that hairy is masculine and smooth is feminine, then shave if that is what you want. It's your body. Sexy begins with how you feel about yourself. At least the good kind of sexy does. So do what makes you feel good about you. Not just how you look, but who you are. Do that, whatever it is. And then just understand that anyone else judging you is all about their own drama and not about you.
This is beautiful and absolutely true. A woman is sexy when she feels sexy.0 -
Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
that's really interesting. thanks for sharing.
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Then don't respond to a comment that doesn't help you then!blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help. Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should no thane gave woopti-doo. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.
are you southern? I read your responses in a southern accent.
you're putting words into my..fingers. you still don't understand and are getting worked up for a simple internet communication error. I tried to explain it..but it doesn't seem to be registering. I normally wouldn't spend so much time on this but I am bored and you keep responding like this is causing you distress. trying to clarify doesn't seem to be helping matters..and now you're making up things and twisting words.0 -
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With your "smart" attitude you think your smart but your not just mean. And your wrong generally men do prefer it. It would be arrogant to keep thinking this way! I already gave an article stating the facts. Whther you choose to see it or not is up to.RedArizona5 wrote: »Guys love confidence I respect that but they also love the way our body is so smooth and when one shaves it plays that part of oneself more then guys love it.
Oh wow I wasn't aware that I was going to meet the ambassador of men today! I would have cleaned up a bit… maybe shaved even.
oh wow look it Im being sassed at. First off its true guys do love confidence and the smoothness of our skin so i don't get why you had to say that! Or am I lying yeah guys absolutely do not care at all what we do or not do I mean right? Caue a million of us woman walk around with hair on 1/3 parts that normally get shaved off…yep stupid me for saying something (rolling my eyes please)
It actually is not truth that men love/prefer smoothness. There have been tons of guys on this specific message board that have either said they don't care or like a woman who doesn't shave. I'm not saying not shaving is better than shaving or whatevs but please, do not speak for all men. My husband is very loving and attentive to me but seriously would not notice if I went a year without shaving, it just doesn't affect him one way or another. One time I grew out my pits for the fun of it and he actually thought it was really cool. You'd think with all your eye rolling you would have less of a narrow view on the world.
I never even stated as it was a fact but you came on here all perturbed with SOMETHING up your butt because I just gave my 2 cents. IDK why you had to even call my opinion out in the first place YOUR problem not mine.
I wasn't trying to be an ambassador so idk whats wrong with you misjudging someones response..if i thought the response police or drama queens were in here i would have never said anything. I didn't say all men most meant i don't get it, i don't get you, i don't care what you think so your bad if you can't get over someones confidence in their replies. I wasn't even talking to you so why the heck are you talking to me in the first place?!!!!!0 -
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Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean0 -
LOLRedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
Um, I wasn't quoting you and this wasn't directed at you. It's just an article written by some gal named Lisa.
I haven't read through the entire thread and I don't even know what your responses were.
But I do appreciate your personal passion about armpit hair though.
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I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
Whaat... Oh goodness...
Not sure how you have access to a computer in the stone age.
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RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean
Please don't be southern
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RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then don't respond to a comment that doesn't help you then!blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help. Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should no thane gave woopti-doo. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.
are you southern? I read your responses in a southern accent.
you're putting words into my..fingers. you still don't understand and are getting worked up for a simple internet communication error. I tried to explain it..but it doesn't seem to be registering. I normally wouldn't spend so much time on this but I am bored and you keep responding like this is causing you distress. trying to clarify doesn't seem to be helping matters..and now you're making up things and twisting words.
just looked up jezebel spirit. that was rude.
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Um ok who are you? Oh am I getting cornered by all the friends of the three who who were attacking me just WOW.wolfsbayne wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean
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RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean
my words don't make it any truer but the concrete facts that prove it do..
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Well don't start stuff then. why are you starting stuff with me? you don't know meblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then don't respond to a comment that doesn't help you then!blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help. Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should no thane gave woopti-doo. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.
are you southern? I read your responses in a southern accent.
you're putting words into my..fingers. you still don't understand and are getting worked up for a simple internet communication error. I tried to explain it..but it doesn't seem to be registering. I normally wouldn't spend so much time on this but I am bored and you keep responding like this is causing you distress. trying to clarify doesn't seem to be helping matters..and now you're making up things and twisting words.
just looked up jezebel spirit. that was rude.
I think you should take a look at all of your comments to everyone in this thread. spirit..meet jezebel.0 -
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With your "smart" attitude you think your smart but your not just mean. And your wrong generally men do prefer it. It would be arrogant to keep thinking this way! I already gave an article stating the facts. Whther you choose to see it or not is up to.RedArizona5 wrote: »Guys love confidence I respect that but they also love the way our body is so smooth and when one shaves it plays that part of oneself more then guys love it.
Oh wow I wasn't aware that I was going to meet the ambassador of men today! I would have cleaned up a bit… maybe shaved even.
oh wow look it Im being sassed at. First off its true guys do love confidence and the smoothness of our skin so i don't get why you had to say that! Or am I lying yeah guys absolutely do not care at all what we do or not do I mean right? Caue a million of us woman walk around with hair on 1/3 parts that normally get shaved off…yep stupid me for saying something (rolling my eyes please)
It actually is not truth that men love/prefer smoothness. There have been tons of guys on this specific message board that have either said they don't care or like a woman who doesn't shave. I'm not saying not shaving is better than shaving or whatevs but please, do not speak for all men. My husband is very loving and attentive to me but seriously would not notice if I went a year without shaving, it just doesn't affect him one way or another. One time I grew out my pits for the fun of it and he actually thought it was really cool. You'd think with all your eye rolling you would have less of a narrow view on the world.
I never even stated as it was a fact but you came on here all perturbed with SOMETHING up your butt because I just gave my 2 cents. IDK why you had to even call my opinion out in the first place YOUR problem not mine.
I wasn't trying to be an ambassador so idk whats wrong with you misjudging someones response..if i thought the response police or drama queens were in here i would have never said anything. I didn't say all men most meant i don't get it, i don't get you, i don't care what you think so your bad if you can't get over someones confidence in their replies. I wasn't even talking to you so why the heck are you talking to me in the first place?!!!!!
I'm sorry I tried to read your novel but I just couldn't get past With your "smart" attitude you think your smart but your not just mean. And your wrong generally men do prefer it.
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RedArizona5 wrote: »
Um ok who are you? Oh am I getting cornered by all the friends of the three who who were attacking me just WOW.wolfsbayne wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean
Please don't be southern
I don't really have friends on here..so no.0 -
RedArizona5 wrote: »
Um ok who are you? Oh am I getting cornered by all the friends of the three who who were attacking me just WOW.wolfsbayne wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Well here is a very debatable topic, because its speaking as if everyone existed from an evolutionary stand point. Having a religious perspective on a forum not about religion isn't a good idea. So I won't go their into debating against evolution with you or others but its just not what everyone believes. We all believe in something different so…just saying to say through evolutionary ways it is the way it is is not a good idea because it isn't - Im not on some high horse saying how dare-im saying if i came on here and said that my FATHER in heaven who created us made us natural for this and that reasons but i didn't because well I'm not up for debating for hours on end VS debating why people have to attack my responses when all i did was give good opinions and advice in a neutral matter for hours too. hehe. No angst here.Here's an excerpt from Why Are We Grossed Out by Women With Armpit Hair? by Lisa Miller of NY Mag:
"Evolutionarily speaking, sex is the whole game. Sex with the wrong person can kill you and your genetic line – through disease, infertility, misfortune. With the right person, it can assure that your genes are transmitted to the next generation. Armpit hair signals sex because it grows during puberty and is one of the first signs of maturity (and fertility). And it signals sex because it transmits the scents that lead to mating. It triggers disgust because it reminds humans how dangerous sex can be. And that’s why we shave it off. Because armpit hair betrays the western fantasy about sex, which is that sex is fun, pleasurable, innocent, and inconsequential, a fantasy that elides the evolutionary truth."
evolution isn't just a theory anymore. genetics change over generations. it happens. its fact. fact is not debatable.
Its not a fact and it is, won't accept your religious view of apes to humans theory. Religion whether its evolution or not shouldn't be brought on here because of this right here or did you want to argue with me some more? Your loving this arguing don't you? Because you want to get the last word dontchya?
just can't get enough of me can ya girl?
I can smell a jezebel spirit a mile away
so you are southern. edit to include..i made the comment because of the use of the word jezebel. nothing more.
actual evolution..as in genetic change over generations (which is what the person above was referring to) has been proven as fact. its not debatable. its not a religious view.
Still disagree and you your word or my word doesn't make evolution any truer then it is. See told you it wasn't a good idea but here you are still stcking your foot in your mouth as well leenajean
Please don't be southern
I'm not attacking you. I would just rather you not be from the south, as am I. I'm also shocked at you refusing to believe that genetic evolution exists. Not trying to be religious or anything, but I don't believe in apes to humans, however, genetic evolution is real. As we say, bless your heart. <----that was kind of an attack..or not. However you want to take it.I don't really have friends on here..so no.
also, this
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Then leave things alone then. You keep replying back to me for what?blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then don't respond to a comment that doesn't help you then!blktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Then you should have just left my response alone FROM the git-go girlblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
No I didn't read the whole treadblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »I'm 8 months pregnant... shaving my legs just isn't going to happen.
Armpits though, yes. It's not so much even a hygiene thing for me either... it just feels weird to go unshaven under my arms.
But yeah.. my legs... hah... good thing it's winter....
Oh man I shaved my nether regions the day before I went into labor. I still don't know how I did it.RedArizona5 wrote: »
Wow OK so shoot me down for helping SERIOUSLY thoughblktngldhrt wrote: »RedArizona5 wrote: »
Hair conditioners help just saying been using it the cheap ones and silkier results render. Btw I can shave ALMOST everyday without those bumps from regular hair conditioner and warm water. No rashes here at allblktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »williams969 wrote: »I think it's hilarious all the comments that unshaven/natural hair women "smell like XXXX." Like really? I guess you won't have to smell me, since I don't want to be anywhere near that ignorance
FTR, I'm crazy pale with black hair. IMO, I look better unshaven, since I get 5 o'clock shadow exactly 12 seconds after shaving anyway. The soft, fuzzy look/feel is more attractive than sandpaper (for me, YMMV). That's what I like my body to look like. And I like others to look like whatever they like for their own bodies
Yess. I hate the sandpaper..and also have pale skin and dark hair. Shaving pretty much does nothing but cause irritation for my legs and bikini area.
OMG, the itching and red bumps, too, right?! Not a sexy look for some of us, lol!
Yep. I'd rather have some fuzz than look like raw chicken or like I have some kind of infection and be uncomfortable.
Cool. Your hair strands don't curl back onto themselves. Congratulations. It's not like I haven't tried a thousand things. The only thing that helps razor bumps is to stop shaving, use nair (which I'm allergic to), or have it removed with a laser.
I wasn't shooting you down. The way you worded it rubbed me the wrong way. What you said sounds like you think I use no water or cold water without shaving cream or any other moisturizing substance to shave. I'm glad you can shave without issue. Really, I am. It just wasn't helpful because you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't get it. I don't expect you to because you can shave with conditioner and warm water ALMOST every day without issue. You can't prevent razor bumps by using conditioner as they are caused by the hair strands curling back onto themselves, as I said. You can't prevent visibly seeing your hair minutes after shaving (which I think looks like raw chicken.. little dot/bump looking things caused by dark hair under pale skin) by using conditioner. You just can't.
Well I won't apologize for rubbing someone the wrong way for being me. I word things the way I feel the best way I can by me. I wasn't asking for your approval of what was general advice. When I read a forum before my first response I always make sure that Im not taking text out of context since misunderstandings over internet and texts happens so much its very common. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't just assume they are not being understanding. So if you think Im misunderstanding you then idk whats up because I first of all i didn't know you tried everything more i expected you to try everything. It was some nice advice to use hair conditioner! that was it. Thats all i wanted to say!
My goodness... You still don't understand.
I never asked you to apologize.
I was the person you were giving the advice to..unless you didn't mean to quote me. Meaning it wasn't general advice..it was directed at me. Previously I had posted about trying various things in response to a very nice woman's question about using veet..but I don't expect you to read the whole thread.
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of razor bumps and the way someone with dark hair and pale skin looks right after shaving for some people; neither of which can be helped with conditioner.
I replied that because you said i rubbed you the wrong way well ok then I won't apologize for it. I am not asking you to be my friend anyways so you should not have said to me what you did-no idont know what your going through but don't have to make it sound like i said something awful. I gave advice and i sounded really bubbly so wtheck? uh lol I was giving you advice and yeah it was for anyone who never knew about conditioners being a good way to shave as a good idea-hey why not? Obviously I don't have a silver tongue like winf up there and not an English major so my wording is very upfront and on text sounds colder then it really is (I guess) but not my fault. Im not a pro at wording my thoughts. I gave advice and you misunderstood me and i said that i won't apologize for it. Idk why I have to keep giving a narrative of our conversation. You didn't have to respond the way you did to me so idk why your making me look like the bad guy. Im not a bad person but love the way people call people out on here and wonder why they say what they say…just over it.
I actually would have understood and sympathized with you over your issue but when you come on to peoples advice as they have no idea what your going through(and they don't but its not their fault-im sure they are not** mean about what they typed unless it is plainly mean) You just read too much into what I said. Just know if I had an issue and you gave me advice and I already knew about it I wouldn't have called you out for not having any idea what I tried and didn't tried. Maybe you weren't being mean about but I did feel it through the text after me simply saying conditioner is an awesome tool. Maybe your response wasn't as mean as i took but sorry for reading too much to response but idk anymore but this sucks
Sorry you have tried conditioner and didn't work thats all you had to say but didn't so thanks once again.
Some people as try as they are not good at being tactful-too much energy wasted to just say what should be said. I wouldn't want someone to use tact with me because its awkward for me so i treat people the way i want to be treated. I try to be nice up front and helpful and i got shot in the back for it 3 times over.
I appreciate the advice..but again..it doesn't apply to my issues (which you would have known had you been familiar with the problems at hand).
I will just leave you with the bolded wording to ponder. although, I don't think it will help. Not my bad that this happened. Cant expect everyone to read the entire thread. If i gave my experiance with an issue and someone asks a question about which i already discussed then I won't get upset just simply say well "Thanks I already mention I can't earlier and have bad issues with hair" but you didn't…so don't wonder why we had an argument over it. Its not difficult. And don't make it sound like I was the that said something wrong. Its unfair to accuse me of that with me not having any knowledge of what i did.
And don't say that my words were colder I gave you advice i DIDNT look down on you with any tone in words about it I said try hair condition its AWESOME-HOW on EARTH does THAT sound cold! I was just generally speaking I am upfront and SOMETIMES its sound cold but not in this instance whatsoever mam ugh
Help with what? Trying to make me think I said something differently then I did? for wondering why i have to be made out to look like some imbocil because I should have read the entire thread? and giving advice yeah i should no thane gave woopti-doo. Then say ok but no thanks tried it don't work i just don't get that.
are you southern? I read your responses in a southern accent.
you're putting words into my..fingers. you still don't understand and are getting worked up for a simple internet communication error. I tried to explain it..but it doesn't seem to be registering. I normally wouldn't spend so much time on this but I am bored and you keep responding like this is causing you distress. trying to clarify doesn't seem to be helping matters..and now you're making up things and twisting words.
just looked up jezebel spirit. that was rude.
I think you should take a look at all of your comments to everyone in this thread. spirit..meet jezebel.
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