Sweets when bulking?
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I agree, definitely not to that level. But any increase in my chest/shoulders/arms without any real increase in waist size will magnify the issue I have of my shirts fitting right. Likewise, as it is now my jeans fit nicely on my hips/thighs but are loose around my waist.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
Do you think you have the frame to support that size? You said yourself you struggle to get in calories, you don't even have to worry about such a thing. Same goes for the OP, I would bet. Neither of you would make to a point where you need to wear triple X shirts.
Also, pleated pants.
Well yea, it is certainly MORE difficult to find fitting clothes... but it is not impossible.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I agree, definitely not to that level. But any increase in my chest/shoulders/arms without any real increase in waist size will magnify the issue I have of my shirts fitting right. Likewise, as it is now my jeans fit nicely on my hips/thighs but are loose around my waist.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
Do you think you have the frame to support that size? You said yourself you struggle to get in calories, you don't even have to worry about such a thing. Same goes for the OP, I would bet. Neither of you would make to a point where you need to wear triple X shirts.
Also, pleated pants.
Try fitted shirts for normal wear and compression athletic shirts for sports/workouts. I have a 39" chest (unexpanded) and 30.5" waist at the belly button and have a nearly 10" drop on my suits (I wear 30 dress paint and 28 jeans) so I'm familiar with those issues but it's not the end of the world.0 -
Just to slightly hijack this thread, since it has just come up a few times, any suggestions on brands of t-shirts to fit wide shoulders and tiny waists? My 18 y o son is a swimmer, 6 ft tall, 140-150 lbs of solid muscle w/ 8 pack. Wide shoulders, 29" waist. Anything that does't pull a lot in the shoulders is a dress on him.0
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Totally fine. Just keep it under control. Bear in mind that when you eat sweets you are pretty much eating only calories. In most cases. Some sweets actually have some nutritional value. Dark chocolate for instance is swimming in anti-oxidants. And Ice cream is actually quite high in soluble fibre. However all the things found in sweets can be found elsewhere with less attached calories. Life is, however .. for living. So feel free to fill up some calories with treats. Just make sure you get all the necessary nutrition in first. Because if sweets take the place of protein or essential fat that will hamper your muscle growth. If not stall it altogether.0
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Totally fine. Just keep it under control. Bear in mind that when you eat sweets you are pretty much eating only calories. In most cases. Some sweets actually have some nutritional value. Dark chocolate for instance is swimming in anti-oxidants. And Ice cream is actually quite high in soluble fibre. However all the things found in sweets can be found elsewhere with less attached calories. Life is, however .. for living. So feel free to fill up some calories with treats. Just make sure you get all the necessary nutrition in first. Because if sweets take the place of protein or essential fat that will hamper your muscle growth. If not stall it altogether.
Thank you! And thank you to everyone else as well for y'all's advice! Didn't mean to start a debate haha
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Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.
-Isaiah
Man, it must be embarrassing to have your first post be this bad. I wouldn't even want to post again, ever. Maybe go with a new account and pretend this never happened?
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You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.0
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FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
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dieselbyte wrote: »FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.0 -
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FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »dieselbyte wrote: »FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.
No, no it doesn't. See multiple replies throughout the thread that the "quality" of food is not a determining factor in body composition.0 -
FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »dieselbyte wrote: »FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.
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Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
oh boo hoo- try being a woman.0 -
Totally fine. Just keep it under control. Bear in mind that when you eat sweets you are pretty much eating only calories. In most cases. Some sweets actually have some nutritional value. Dark chocolate for instance is swimming in anti-oxidants. And Ice cream is actually quite high in soluble fibre. However all the things found in sweets can be found elsewhere with less attached calories. Life is, however .. for living. So feel free to fill up some calories with treats. Just make sure you get all the necessary nutrition in first. Because if sweets take the place of protein or essential fat that will hamper your muscle growth. If not stall it altogether.
^ this
sweets keep me sane and makes me happy, I believe as long as you can fit it in your calories, why not.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
oh boo hoo- try being a woman.
Well if you are just going to play trump cards all day the game won't be any fun!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
oh boo hoo- try being a woman.
Well if you are just going to play trump cards all day the game won't be any fun!
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blankiefinder wrote: »Just to slightly hijack this thread, since it has just come up a few times, any suggestions on brands of t-shirts to fit wide shoulders and tiny waists? My 18 y o son is a swimmer, 6 ft tall, 140-150 lbs of solid muscle w/ 8 pack. Wide shoulders, 29" waist. Anything that does't pull a lot in the shoulders is a dress on him.
Try something meant for either big and tall or young kids. Mexx springs to mind but since I'm not sure what you have in your area.0 -
FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »dieselbyte wrote: »FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.
please shed lights on these "types" of weight, as I was under the impression there is only one...weight...0 -
FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »dieselbyte wrote: »FitnessTrainer69 wrote: »You should be fine with eating some sweets as long as your not eating say 1/2 of your daily calories in sweets. This might be just for me but when I do eat them they start showing in my abs first then work their way around the body ( Talking about fat ). I don't eat many sweets because they're empty calories and serve no purpose for me. IKnight is partially right. But this is in a GAINING Thread so I guess Gaining weight is your goal then sweets will do it for sure.
No, @IKnighten is completely wrong. Not to beat a dead horse, but his advice shouldn't be considered correct in the least bit. And the only part of YOUR statement that makes sense is the advice on nutrition - one should focus on micronutrient dense foods as a majority of one's diet. So yes, micronutrient deficient foods shouldn't be the majority of one's diet, but no one in this thread is suggesting that. While you might consider them empty calories from a nutritional standpoint, "sweets" definitely serve a purpose, probably moreso in overall mental health and a balanced approach and relationship with food. The fact is, in a bulk or cut, "sweets" can be included in one's overall macro and caloric goals. In a bulk, there is more room to fit "sweets".
Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type.
--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.
Bwahaha another one!
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[/quote]--Weight gain is determined by caloric surplus, not food type--. I agree, somewhat. Depends on what weight your looking to gain.[/quote]
please shed lights on these "types" of weight, as I was under the impression there is only one...weight...[/quote]
isn't "clean weight" measured in Lbs and "dirty weight" measured in Kgs???? or maybe I have that backwards......
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isn't "clean weight" measured in Lbs and "dirty weight" measured in Kgs???? or maybe I have that backwards......
No, those are standard measurements and have nothing to do with the quality of a bulk. Clean or dirty referes to the relative amounts of fat and muscle gained during a bulk.0 -
Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
This. Or what this world really needs is high-protein, low-calorie beer.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
This. Or what this world really needs is high-protein, low-calorie beer.
Beer and a burger. You're welcome
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
This. Or what this world really needs is high-protein, low-calorie beer.
Beer and a burger. You're welcome
MyFitnessPal needs a like button for posts like this!0 -
TopazCutie wrote: »
Don't thread hi-jack. Why are you in the gaining weight section and a bulking thread?0
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