225/135 Max-Rep Bench Press "Club"
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nakedraygun wrote: »DB brought this up and I wanted to sample your opinions on this.
Yesterday afternoon, between sets, I was asked to spot which is totally cool by me. This guy set the bar up with 295. Nice big lift, but suicide grip while wearing rings on just about every finger.
I had visions of the bar rolling out of his hands and crushing his chest and me watching in slow motion horror. He didn't want me to touch the bar at all, yet I wanted to have my hands close in case I watched this horror unfold before me.
I wanted to decline. I wanted to say "Sure I'll spot you, but not with that grip." "Or sure I'll spot you but I need to keep my hands on the bar in case it rolls from your hands." But you know how we all get when it comes to our spots...
Seriously, what the heck should I have done? I still feel I should have gone with my first inclination and declined unless conditions.
I would decline to spot on a suicide grip and I've done it in the past. I just politely indicate that I don't believe that I'm the best person to ask for a spot.0 -
Yep same way. I want as much of the rep as I can get.yopeeps025 wrote: »Do not touch the bar until you see it slowly start to fall down on my chest.
Yeah I did and his response was "don't touch it."yopeeps025 wrote: »I would just ask him umm how you like me to spot since you are using that grip.
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That's what I should have done.Wheelhouse15 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »DB brought this up and I wanted to sample your opinions on this.
Yesterday afternoon, between sets, I was asked to spot which is totally cool by me. This guy set the bar up with 295. Nice big lift, but suicide grip while wearing rings on just about every finger.
I had visions of the bar rolling out of his hands and crushing his chest and me watching in slow motion horror. He didn't want me to touch the bar at all, yet I wanted to have my hands close in case I watched this horror unfold before me.
I wanted to decline. I wanted to say "Sure I'll spot you, but not with that grip." "Or sure I'll spot you but I need to keep my hands on the bar in case it rolls from your hands." But you know how we all get when it comes to our spots...
Seriously, what the heck should I have done? I still feel I should have gone with my first inclination and declined unless conditions.
I would decline to spot on a suicide grip and I've done it in the past. I just politely indicate that I don't believe that I'm the best person to ask for a spot.
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As he was pressing up, I kept thinking to myself "its gonna roll out!" I could hardly concentrate on what he was doing. Guy was strong though. I talked to him a bit after wards and he said he "was surprised" he could do that because "he's only been at the gym 5 times in the last "three months."
Mind boggled.0 -
FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.0
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nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
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Yeah, I always ask for expectations - liftoff, reps, what they don't want me to do, etc.
My thought is that it's his/her lift. If they want to do suicide grip, that's fine. But if it rolls off, I'm not catching it and hurting myself. I've never spotted someone with SG, but I'd tell them straight up that if it rolls off, they're hosed.
I find the hardest thing is to find a good spotter that will do what you want them to do, and not what they think they should do. I think I can get 245 up, but I'm not sure - the guy spotting me, as soon as I hit my sticking point and slowed down (but I'm pretty sure I could have gotten it through) touched the bar. I had asked him for help with liftoff and to only help if the bar came back down. I was pissed, as I didn't have the energy to try another. Like I said - I'm pretty sure I could have gotten it, but I don't really know.0 -
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
People at my gym give me this info and I do the same. My life is in your hands (Literally sometimes) so yes I will say all that before you ask.0 -
When I need a spotter I always give the direction on what I expect, because yeah just as you said, my life is literally in their hands - and I want as much of that final rep or two as possible.yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
People at my gym give me this info and I do the same. My life is in your hands (Literally sometimes) so yes I will say all that before you ask.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
When I need a spotter I always give the direction on what I expect, because yeah just as you said, my life is literally in their hands - and I want as much of that final rep or two as possible.yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
People at my gym give me this info and I do the same. My life is in your hands (Literally sometimes) so yes I will say all that before you ask.
I also learn my lessen with asking someone weak to spot me. I pushed to hard and pop. He was not able to move the bar at all so I am benching my last rep with a tore pec with his so called little help. Never again.
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nakedraygun wrote: »
When I need a spotter I always give the direction on what I expect, because yeah just as you said, my life is literally in their hands - and I want as much of that final rep or two as possible.yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
People at my gym give me this info and I do the same. My life is in your hands (Literally sometimes) so yes I will say all that before you ask.
it's just easier and safer- and you get what you want out of it.
I'm always very clear about my spotting and how I spot and what I'll do if you AREN'T.
I had a guy give me ZERO lift off for a last effort 1 rep max- and then steal the bar from me as I failed.
Wasted lift- seriously what's the point of you if you can't help me with a lift off and then you just rob me of the lift.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
When I need a spotter I always give the direction on what I expect, because yeah just as you said, my life is literally in their hands - and I want as much of that final rep or two as possible.yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
I ask how many reps they think they will get so it gives me an idea where they will fail and when to bring in my spot. (If its only one then its a PR probably.) I also ask, do you need a lift off (I never want a lift off) and if they want my hands on the bar or not. Finally I ask, anything else I should be aware of?yopeeps025 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »FYI: Before I give anyone a spot, I always ask what they expect.
You mean like rep count they want? I never ask because people speak up and say I am going for 5 might get 4.
People at my gym give me this info and I do the same. My life is in your hands (Literally sometimes) so yes I will say all that before you ask.
it's just easier and safer- and you get what you want out of it.
I'm always very clear about my spotting and how I spot and what I'll do if you AREN'T.
I had a guy give me ZERO lift off for a last effort 1 rep max- and then steal the bar from me as I failed.
Wasted lift- seriously what's the point of you if you can't help me with a lift off and then you just rob me of the lift.
At least he did not spot like
Yeah thanks for nothing guy.0 -
Likewise, I want to grind out that last set, even if it is slow and as painful, but as long as I am grinding that last set on my own because what's the point if you're going to do the work for me?had a guy give me ZERO lift off for a last effort 1 rep max- and then steal the bar from me as I failed.
Wasted lift- seriously what's the point of you if you can't help me with a lift off and then you just rob me of the lift.0 -
I also inform the spotter that I will let them know when they can take the bar from me if I know I am spent.0
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I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.0 -
bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
Also ask those ladies how long they been lifting? I am sure some might say longer than I have.0 -
bingfit221 wrote: »My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
You may want to skip leg day.0 -
And why is that? Is it because they are stronger than you?bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
You must be a great joy as PT otherwise. lulz.0 -
bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
Those records are in gear. They say single and double ply next to them. Once you learn how to use gear and train in it, you will potentially have a higher 1rm because of the assistance that the gear provides.0 -
natecooper75 wrote: »bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
Those records are in gear. They say single and double ply next to them. Once you learn how to use gear and train in it, you will potentially have a higher 1rm because of the assistance that the gear provides.
I witness this one girl in HIGH SCHOOL bench 150 at a lower body weight. I was like "how." She was stronger than me at that time. She was stronger than a lot of guys then.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »I also inform the spotter that I will let them know when they can take the bar from me if I know I am spent.
Yeah, I learned that I should have done that the hard way
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bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
I lifted with a woman who could do over 200 with about the same body weight. Yes, that was competition and certified under IPF, so yes it's possible.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »I also inform the spotter that I will let them know when they can take the bar from me if I know I am spent.
Yeah, I learned that I should have done that the hard way
Yeah, stealing your gains is no fun!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »I also inform the spotter that I will let them know when they can take the bar from me if I know I am spent.
Yeah, I learned that I should have done that the hard way
Yeah, stealing your gains is no fun!
That actually pisses me off and one time I redid a PR attempt with a different spotter.
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I spot like this
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It's very rare that I need a spot because I maybe go for a PR only 3 or 4 times a year and its as almost as rare that I am asked to spot.nakedraygun wrote: »I also inform the spotter that I will let them know when they can take the bar from me if I know I am spent.
Yeah, I learned that I should have done that the hard way
So I quickly have to run through a checklist in my head of everything I just posted - always seem to forget something.
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bingfit221 wrote: »I don't believe these women who are saying they have done 195.
http://www.wabdl.org/WORLDS/worlds_women.php
Yeah..... right.
My 1RP is my bodyweight 162.
I can press 185- I have it on video.
You don't have to believe me. I know I can do it. Tough titties for you that you can't press more.0 -
??? The first woman on that list @ 105 benched 220lbs.0
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