Judgmental confession about that non-judgmental confession thread
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AgentOrangeJuice wrote: »Can we complain about other things?
WHO SAYS toys today are better than what we had in the 80's?
No way...the 80's toys were the best! I loved my Lite-Brite!
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I'm really quite jealous of kids today.0 -
AgentOrangeJuice wrote: »Can we complain about other things?
WHO SAYS toys today are better than what we had in the 80's?
Gosh yes. I had to wait until I was 12 to get my first game console. My kids are 6 and have tablets.
Get off my lawn! Pong was the new thing when I was in high school and we had to go to the mall (they were new then too) to play it.
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tracyannk28 wrote: »AgentOrangeJuice wrote: »Can we complain about other things?
WHO SAYS toys today are better than what we had in the 80's?
No way...the 80's toys were the best! I loved my Lite-Brite!
Lite Brites are much older than 80's toys. They were kicking around when I was a kid.
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AgentOrangeJuice wrote: »Can we complain about other things?
WHO SAYS toys today are better than what we had in the 80's?
kerbangers rocked in the 80's. i mean, they caused extreme pain when they inevitably bashed into my arms, but that was all part of the fun. then they totally wussified them after too many lame people cried.0 -
AgentOrangeJuice wrote: »Can we complain about other things?
WHO SAYS toys today are better than what we had in the 80's?
kerbangers rocked in the 80's. i mean, they caused extreme pain when they inevitably bashed into my arms, but that was all part of the fun. then they totally wussified them after too many lame people cried.
They were awesome! The challenge was not having them bang your fingers.
oh - if you want to take a nice walk down 80's memory lane, watch The Goldberg's...
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lemurcat12 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Considering so many people complain about not losing weight, it is a little weird that the one purpose MFP is primarily for, logging food, isn't used all the time for a lot of people.
I mostly agree, but I know when I first started here I just estimated and used cups and all that. When people talked about weighing precisely I thought it sounded crazy and like something I would never do, and if I'd thought it was required I would have been discouraged. (I didn't, since I'd been losing without logging at all.)
I had success, and continued and then caught the data bug and wanted to figure my TDEE and bought a scale. At that point I discovered that for me using the scale and having precise numbers was fun, didn't add much to cooking time (I was chopping anyway), and ended up being easier than trying to estimate (since I'm too obsessive and drive myself crazy second guessing the numbers).
But if you'd told me I needed to do that early on I'd not have understood or believed it was reasonable at all, so I understand why some don't, especially if it's working for them.
However, I never would have said "why am I not losing" if I didn't actually know the calories I'd been eating, and I would have been aware that I didn't have a good sense of those calories if just roughly estimating, especially if I didn't log anything. So why people ask when they don't know or think they KNOW they are eating 1150 under those circumstances, I don't really understand. Except, of course, humans.
Technically I do not measure things as accurately as I can, because I have been using measuring cups and spoons (though I did order a kitchen scale last week, yaaay!) and I have slip ups here and there. However, I also try to walk/jog/sprint intervals as much as I can at work and I try to be active at home.
Maybe it's just because I started out way bigger, but I have seen 95% down trends and I haven't been to the gram. I just eat smaller portions of the deathly delicious calorie bombs and eat more low-calorie nutrient-dense veggies and dark leafy greens.
I imagine it will be fun for me to weigh my food too!
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Considering so many people complain about not losing weight, it is a little weird that the one purpose MFP is primarily for, logging food, isn't used all the time for a lot of people.
I mostly agree, but I know when I first started here I just estimated and used cups and all that. When people talked about weighing precisely I thought it sounded crazy and like something I would never do, and if I'd thought it was required I would have been discouraged. (I didn't, since I'd been losing without logging at all.)
I had success, and continued and then caught the data bug and wanted to figure my TDEE and bought a scale. At that point I discovered that for me using the scale and having precise numbers was fun, didn't add much to cooking time (I was chopping anyway), and ended up being easier than trying to estimate (since I'm too obsessive and drive myself crazy second guessing the numbers).
But if you'd told me I needed to do that early on I'd not have understood or believed it was reasonable at all, so I understand why some don't, especially if it's working for them.
However, I never would have said "why am I not losing" if I didn't actually know the calories I'd been eating, and I would have been aware that I didn't have a good sense of those calories if just roughly estimating, especially if I didn't log anything. So why people ask when they don't know or think they KNOW they are eating 1150 under those circumstances, I don't really understand. Except, of course, humans.
Technically I do not measure things as accurately as I can, because I have been using measuring cups and spoons (though I did order a kitchen scale last week, yaaay!) and I have slip ups here and there. However, I also try to walk/jog/sprint intervals as much as I can at work and I try to be active at home.
Maybe it's just because I started out way bigger, but I have seen 95% down trends and I haven't been to the gram. I just eat smaller portions of the deathly delicious calorie bombs and eat more low-calorie nutrient-dense veggies and dark leafy greens.
I imagine it will be fun for me to weigh my food too!
nah, not really. i wasn't overweight when i started out and i still lost weight without logging religiously and with having cheat days where i didn't log at all.0 -
I'll tell you all why I don't log all of my shame treats. Because if it's not on my log when I'm successful at the end of my journey weight loss mission, then it didn't happen, because I was successful when it's all over, sometime in the future.0
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Considering so many people complain about not losing weight, it is a little weird that the one purpose MFP is primarily for, logging food, isn't used all the time for a lot of people.
I mostly agree, but I know when I first started here I just estimated and used cups and all that. When people talked about weighing precisely I thought it sounded crazy and like something I would never do, and if I'd thought it was required I would have been discouraged. (I didn't, since I'd been losing without logging at all.)
I had success, and continued and then caught the data bug and wanted to figure my TDEE and bought a scale. At that point I discovered that for me using the scale and having precise numbers was fun, didn't add much to cooking time (I was chopping anyway), and ended up being easier than trying to estimate (since I'm too obsessive and drive myself crazy second guessing the numbers).
But if you'd told me I needed to do that early on I'd not have understood or believed it was reasonable at all, so I understand why some don't, especially if it's working for them.
However, I never would have said "why am I not losing" if I didn't actually know the calories I'd been eating, and I would have been aware that I didn't have a good sense of those calories if just roughly estimating, especially if I didn't log anything. So why people ask when they don't know or think they KNOW they are eating 1150 under those circumstances, I don't really understand. Except, of course, humans.
Technically I do not measure things as accurately as I can, because I have been using measuring cups and spoons (though I did order a kitchen scale last week, yaaay!) and I have slip ups here and there. However, I also try to walk/jog/sprint intervals as much as I can at work and I try to be active at home.
Maybe it's just because I started out way bigger, but I have seen 95% down trends and I haven't been to the gram. I just eat smaller portions of the deathly delicious calorie bombs and eat more low-calorie nutrient-dense veggies and dark leafy greens.
I imagine it will be fun for me to weigh my food too!
nah, not really. i wasn't overweight when i started out and i still lost weight without logging religiously and with having cheat days where i didn't log at all.
Good for you! Maybe it's just because of how I have ingrained logging into my head, I am afraid that if I start slipping, I won't be able to recover. Even when I did accidentally miss a day, I still logged what I ate the next day... but I still lost my streak. 
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I started out logging fanatically, but I do it because I got to my weight by not KNOWING what I was eating. I was miscalculating things badly. So I am very strict about new things, and to learn portion sizes - to educate myself on realistic sizes and caloric amounts. I don't think or indeed want it to be something I do every day of the rest of my life; I don't like the power to make every calorie a war. So I do it enough to educate myself, but not so much to obsess over it.
And I agree, MFP is awesome for barcodes. Not so much if, like others on here, I make almost every thing I eat from scratch. I abandoned recipes almost as soon as I tried them; now I just log separate ingredients and do it according to ratios consumed.0 -
Here's how I look at it. At the worst of times - when I had depression and an injury and couldn't exercise and didn't care what I ate because everything sucked and chocolate is yummy - I gained about 15 pounds over the course of 9 months. That means I was eating an average of 200 calories more than my TDEE. Which isn't that much more.
Currently, I'm eating ~ 350 calories below my TDEE when I log my food. So even if I'm eating 200 calories above when I don't log (which I doubt I am, since I'm more active now), I'm still going to be in a deficit for the week. And I've lost every week since I've been back, usually more than I expected, so it's working for me.
If it stops working for me, I'll tighten up my logging.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »I log nearly everything, but it is a PITA. I cook nearly everything from scratch and never follow a set recipe, so I end up logging new recipes frequently. I have 9 different entries for beef and rice (sometimes adding veggis, different fat content ground beef, etc). Recording a recipe can take 10minutes. Its ridiculous.
If I ate more 1-2 ingredient foods or prepackaged stuff, it would go faster.
Why don't you just edit the existing recipe for beef and rice in your log and keep physical versions of each recipe? I only have ~3 pages of recipes, and I am constantly editing the recipes that I do use to change or replace ingredients. I cook plenty from scratch and just log it in the diary if it's simple such as baking meat and veggies.
Or just write out the weight of every ingredient you use on paper/board as you make it, then as it's being made just log the recipe. It doesn't take 10 minutes to log recipes
It used to be fantastically simple to edit existing recipes. Then MFP completely borked up the recipe builder and it's making me reconsider using MFP, period. It's that bad. It drives me crazy that the recipe list is such a slog. I have an enormous computer, and with my browser window at max, I can only see 5 recipes at a time in the Recipe Box. I have 11 pages of recipes, and they took away the ability to sort (I can't fathom why), so I can't even search for them alphabetically anymore. I could go on and on (and on) about how much I hate the new recipe system, but the point still stands - recording recipes (and finding old ones) has become a vexing chore for some of us.
If you love making your own food, then MFP is kind of falling down on the job there.
*kitten* yeah! In fact, I haven't been over to the feedback forums to *kitten* icantbelieveyoufuckerscensorbitch about the recipe builder in a while. Thanks for reminding me.
Recipe builder is why I still maintain a sparkpeople acct in addition to this one. My original intention was to just switch here completely, but I have to keep going back over there to calculate anything.0 -
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shannonlmell wrote: »I don't think the OP is talking about people who confess to not logging every single thing every day. But there were a lot of people who said something along the lines of, "I ate an entire box/bag/gallon of <insert "bad" food> and didn't log it." Or, "If I know I'm going over my calorie goal, I stop logging for the day." I think those are the kinds of comments the OP is referring to.
That's exactly what OP is talking about and I totally agree with OP's point. Regardless of me logging that ice cream I ate yesterday (it was soooo good), the calories and fat and sugar are going to my body anyways. I think what happens to those people who don't log these items is that they are in denial trying making themselves not to feel bad for what they did wrong. In my opinion this is a huge red flag is regards to the commitment they have to reach their goals. In my experience, when I'm in this denial mode trying to hide my fattening mistakes is when I end up giving up and not going anywhere. Once I decided to be honest to myself and admit that what I eat above my calorie goal or that is unhealthy is not hurting anybody but me, only then I started to lose weight and feel more confident that I can actually reach my goal (I still have a loooong way ahead of me, but I'm progressing
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Okay so let me clarify. I HATE dieting and exercise PERIOD. (whether it's counting calories or going on the treadmill or sit-ups etc.. All of it sucks to me. But the one thing I hate 100 times more than those things is being fat. So I'll do whatever I have to do to lose/maintain my weight. If anyone can honestly say they love and truly enjoy dieting and exercising I commend them for that. That's fantastic. I'm simply not there yet. I'm not sure I'll ever be. [/quote]
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You! I hate it too!!! and yes I've tried a wide variety of exercises, classes and teams, blah blah blah...but I hate it! But I do it, because i hate my fat *kitten* even more. Just like you said, I hate it when it's balls cold outside and I have to go to work, but I do it. I also dislike the fact that my body rejects any form of dairy, but I'd rather eat pea protein than crap my brains out. So yeah...thanx for your perspective, glad I'm not the only one, and as for the other posters, super happy you are amazing and you have truly found what you love.
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I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all, but if you know the answer to your problem, why not use it?0 -
What part of non judgemental don't you understand OP? The thread is highly successful because it allows people to have their say without judgement.
Don't take that away from them. By voicing their secret cheating and having it out in the open will possibly allow them to see how pointless it is when they don't log honestly.
Tread carefully with this thread.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all, but if you know the answer to your problem, why not use it?
Feel free to snark. I don't have any excuses, I'm just being bloody lazy and complacent.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all, but if you know the answer to your problem, why not use it?
Feel free to snark. I don't have any excuses, I'm just being bloody lazy and complacent.
Hahha, maybe it's like quitting smoking. You'll only really stick to it when you're finally ready to make that permanent change. Or you take Chantix... which is what I did.0 -
What part of non judgemental don't you understand? The thread is highly successful because it allows people to have their say without judgement.
Don't take that away from them. By voicing their secret cheating and having it out in the open will possibly allow them to see how pointless it is when they don't log honestly.
Tread carefully with this thread.
Are you judging my judgmental thread about the non-judgmental thread???
What would be the blowback? The people who disagree with me might dislike me. The people who don't log their binges would stick their heads in the sand to avoid my point. The people who don't log their creamer might feel judged (I'm not! I swear!). The people who don't log their binges because of ED might be offended by my thread and they would have a point (I never considered your illness! Sorry!).
There was a lot of judgment within that thread as well. Remember the discussion about whether you should wear shirts more than once?0 -
obscuremusicreference wrote: »What part of non judgemental don't you understand? The thread is highly successful because it allows people to have their say without judgement.
Don't take that away from them. By voicing their secret cheating and having it out in the open will possibly allow them to see how pointless it is when they don't log honestly.
Tread carefully with this thread.
Are you judging my judgmental thread about the non-judgmental thread???
What would be the blowback? The people who disagree with me might dislike me. The people who don't log their binges would stick their heads in the sand to avoid my point. The people who don't log their creamer might feel judged (I'm not! I swear!). The people who don't log their binges because of ED might be offended by my thread and they would have a point (I never considered your illness! Sorry!).
There was a lot of judgment within that thread as well. Remember the discussion about whether you should wear shirts more than once?
It's very easy to go over 100cals with creamer.
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all, but if you know the answer to your problem, why not use it?
Feel free to snark. I don't have any excuses, I'm just being bloody lazy and complacent.
Hahha, maybe it's like quitting smoking. You'll only really stick to it when you're finally ready to make that permanent change. Or you take Chantix... which is what I did.
I've actually lost 22kg in the last year, I think that's part of my issue - I'm still well obese but feeling pretty good about fitting all these old clothes, and getting compliments. Need to pull my finger out though!!0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I often don't log when I go over, and I'll freely admit it's sheer bloody laziness and a symptom of my "F**k it, I'll get back on it tomorrow" attitude.
And all of that is precisely why I haven't actually lost ANY weight since November last year.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all, but if you know the answer to your problem, why not use it?
Feel free to snark. I don't have any excuses, I'm just being bloody lazy and complacent.
Hahha, maybe it's like quitting smoking. You'll only really stick to it when you're finally ready to make that permanent change. Or you take Chantix... which is what I did.
I've actually lost 22kg in the last year, I think that's part of my issue - I'm still well obese but feeling pretty good about fitting all these old clothes, and getting compliments. Need to pull my finger out though!!
That's really great! I recently pulled out a bunch of pants that I couldn't fit into, I think it did the opposite for me and I've been super motivated because of it! 0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »Is this thread just about those who don't log consistently? Or can I also judge people from that thread for other things? Like, seriously, who the hell wraps themselves in glorified saran wrap and expects to lose weight? It[doesn't]Work!
I used to work out with a coworker who would do this. She kept trying to push me to saran wrap myself as well. I had to stop working out with her lol because she kept getting odd looks in the gym when she'd unwrap herself and all of her sweat that was stuck underneath would basically splatter on the floor of the locker room. Yucky.
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MindySaysWhaaat wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Is this thread just about those who don't log consistently? Or can I also judge people from that thread for other things? Like, seriously, who the hell wraps themselves in glorified saran wrap and expects to lose weight? It[doesn't]Work!
I used to work out with a coworker who would do this. She kept trying to push me to saran wrap myself as well. I had to stop working out with her lol because she kept getting odd looks in the gym when she'd unwrap herself and all of her sweat that was stuck underneath would basically splatter on the floor of the locker room. Yucky.
Man, that splatter brings back memories. That's how we used to cut weight for wrestling and, when getting changed in the locker room after practice, you'd know you were weighing in alright the next day when you had to move over in the locker room after taking off the solar suit because you didn't want to dress in the wet spot.0 -
i dont know why they dont, not my circus not my monkey.
like a lot of people, i dont always log spices (sometimes i do, sometimes i dont), or a stolen french fry or potato chip, or one bite from something, stuff like that.... but i really do log pretty much everything - the oatmeal cream pie hubby handed me earlier put me over my calories, but damn it was good (and its logged! LOL)
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Because I've found I'm more likely to stay in the game long-term if I don't get all hung up on logging everything. I'm okay with having weeks where I maintain or gain a little. I will get back to the logging, but sometimes it's nice to just eat without the work. Sometimes, I care more about other things and give even that small bit of energy to something else. In other "confessions," I use measuring cups & spoons instead of a scale, and I log on a different site that has a smaller food database. Sometimes I will just pick foods that are listed that are close to the calories of the items that aren't in there already. (I have a healthy BMI, so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong with my approach.)0
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