Judgmental confession about that non-judgmental confession thread
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petrinasupler wrote: »
I read about half that thread and it really ticked me off because those are the same people that tell you how they tried dieting and it didn't work. I felt the same as you, you're not cheating anyone but yourself, they're your results.
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AND THIS COMMENT!!!
"Considering so many people complain about not losing weight, it is a little weird that the one purpose MFP is primarily for, logging food, isn't used all the time for a lot of people."
Thank you to these commentors!
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I log just about everything. The only time I don't is a holiday (key word day, I'm not going to turn it into a holi-week and splurge nonstop), when I give myself permission to not. And I don't log cooking spray/oil sometimes unless its a very significant amount, I usually stick to a teaspoon, two tops, and thats cooking for multiple people.0
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obscuremusicreference wrote: »What part of non judgemental don't you understand? The thread is highly successful because it allows people to have their say without judgement.
Don't take that away from them. By voicing their secret cheating and having it out in the open will possibly allow them to see how pointless it is when they don't log honestly.
Tread carefully with this thread.
Are you judging my judgmental thread about the non-judgmental thread???
What would be the blowback? The people who disagree with me might dislike me. The people who don't log their binges would stick their heads in the sand to avoid my point. The people who don't log their creamer might feel judged (I'm not! I swear!). The people who don't log their binges because of ED might be offended by my thread and they would have a point (I never considered your illness! Sorry!).
There was a lot of judgment within that thread as well. Remember the discussion about whether you should wear shirts more than once?
What would be the blowback? Possibly none, but to me it is like violating the "what happens in Vegas - stays in Vegas" rule or "honour amongst thieves" or horror of horrors to this little catholic raised girl - violating the privacy of the confessional!!
I think the "No judgement" thread is a bit of fun.0 -
a thread about a thread….gotta love MFP …
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berlynnwall wrote: »I don't do it - because I just keep my diary private so my shame is only for me - however, I think I understand it. Here is what they are maybe thinking: if you have gone way over your calories, you know it, and you feel guilty, bad etc. Seeing those red numbers then makes you feel worse, like there is now proof that you messed up. Not logging doesn't make it not real, but it does save a little face.
Save face? From myself? That is the heart of the problem. I lied to myself for years. I really wasn't all that fat. Well I was. After 80 lbs lost I still am. And it is all due to my own choices. No one made me do it then. No one is making me make better choices. noone - just me. Because I want to!!!
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mamacoates wrote: »obscuremusicreference wrote: »...They're not cheating the system--their bodies log it all. ...
What is the reasoning behind that? ...
Maybe I just don't get it, but it seems like a good way to spin your wheels.
^^^ This plus denial. Some people know what they need to do to be successful and yet they do not do it. They are not ready to face the facts as to why they are failing, and they like having an out for their own shortcomings ... as long as there is no evidence to look at, they can whine and vent and feel sorry for themselves. Truth is, if they want it bad enough, they will need to do what it takes to get there.
Nope. You guys missed the point. It was a just-for-fun thread. Something to read that makes you feel better about an indiscretion that you know full well was counterproductive to your efforts. Just-for-fun folks.
Serious bunch here!
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berlynnwall wrote: »I don't do it - because I just keep my diary private so my shame is only for me - however, I think I understand it. Here is what they are maybe thinking: if you have gone way over your calories, you know it, and you feel guilty, bad etc. Seeing those red numbers then makes you feel worse, like there is now proof that you messed up. Not logging doesn't make it not real, but it does save a little face.
not a fan of the red numbers. i was trying to gain a few pounds and i see red when i go over. even though i know i went over on purpose, it's like mfp is trying to shame me.0 -
I have to admit, I hate to see the red. I know it's silly, but it just feels so negative. I log my overages onto the next day or spread them out over a couple days if I went way over. When I was home with the flu a few weeks back, I boredom ate a whole bag of mini Kit Kats. So I added a few to each day of the week until they were all accounted for. A little unorthodox, but it made me feel better. Plus it kept me at my weekly deficit goal because I ate a little less each day for the rest of the week to make up for the Kit Kats that were waiting for me on my daily logs. I do agree though that not tracking at all is counter productive in most cases.0
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I have to admit, I hate to see the red. I know it's silly, but it just feels so negative. I log my overages onto the next day or spread them out over a couple days if I went way over. When I was home with the flu a few weeks back, I boredom ate a whole bag of mini Kit Kats. So I added a few to each day of the week until they were all accounted for. A little unorthodox, but it made me feel better. Plus it kept me at my weekly deficit goal because I ate a little less each day for the rest of the week to make up for the Kit Kats that were waiting for me on my daily logs. I do agree though that not tracking at all is counter productive in most cases.
most cases? you know that many people can maintain their weight just naturally and based on intuitive eating, right? counting calories is not natural to begin with.0 -
This thread inspired me to logg the burger and fries I had for lunch even though I had already mentally written today off as a "whatever" day.0
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I looked at that thread a bit and I too was shocked by how may people don't log a lot of things. I mean why bother?
But then I started thinking well if they're not doing it, why should I? And now I'm not losing weight anymore.0 -
berlynnwall wrote: »I don't do it - because I just keep my diary private so my shame is only for me - however, I think I understand it. Here is what they are maybe thinking: if you have gone way over your calories, you know it, and you feel guilty, bad etc. Seeing those red numbers then makes you feel worse, like there is now proof that you messed up. Not logging doesn't make it not real, but it does save a little face.
Why do you need to save face with YOURSELF? Nobody else will ever know.
It seems like a strange game. Games are fun, but only if they burn calories.
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I've really enjoyed the confession thread, but of course everybody judges all the time. There isn't anything wrong with that.
Maybe "no judgement" is just code for "don't give anybody a hard time."0 -
ShannonMpls wrote: »obscuremusicreference wrote: »I don't really understand why so many people on here say they eat something and don't log it at all. They're not cheating the system--their bodies log it all. There were dozens, if not hundreds, of people who said that.
What is the reasoning behind that? Do they not want their friends to see? Do they think that if they don't log it, it's somehow less real? I'm not talking about the occasional "I stole my kid's french fry," I'm talking about people who eat a significant amount of unlogged food.
Maybe I just don't get it, but it seems like a good way to spin your wheels.
I didn't respond to that thread, but I don't log everything. Most days I'm good about it, but I take many days off from logging at all.
Why do I do this?
Because when I started here, weighing more than 300 pounds, I set out to not just lose weight but develop a system for maintaining that loss. When you have 130 pounds to lose, the mountain you've gotta climb is high. The idea of having to somehow log a Korean buffet or 13 course tasting menu or Christmas dinner seemed both annoying and pointless (how accurately would the log be anyway?).
Plus...I could not face logging every day for the rest of my life. I wanted to eat without concern for calories, sometimes. I wanted to enjoy a meal out without pulling out my phone to estimate the calories. I didn't want calories to rule my life, every day.
But! I figured I could probably log my calories most of the time without going insane. I precisely logged typically, but while losing I took a day or two off a month and ate how I pleased without bothering to try to guess calories. I planned these around events typically - holidays, weddings, reunions. Knowing I had these days off made it so much easier to stick to my plan, and the weight flew off.
So that's how I lost 130 pounds, and it's now I've maintained this loss for going on three years. Now I log weekdays at a deficit and don't log on the weekends. Voila - painless maintenance.
As you said, my body keeps a perfect record of what I eat for me whether I log or not. If my weight goes up, I tighten up the logging for awhile.
So my answer to your question is: I use MFP in a way that is sustainable for me in the long-term. That means logging most of the time but not every time. It keeps me sane, happy, and healthy.
No where near this level of success but 100% the same mindset.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread inspired me to logg the burger and fries I had for lunch even though I had already mentally written today off as a "whatever" day.
Yaaaay! One day at a time!
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Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread inspired me to logg the burger and fries I had for lunch even though I had already mentally written today off as a "whatever" day.
I had a cheeseburger for dinner and one for lunch the past few days. It wasn't that many calories. Didn't have fries though. Those probably kill it.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread inspired me to logg the burger and fries I had for lunch even though I had already mentally written today off as a "whatever" day.
I had a cheeseburger for dinner and one for lunch the past few days. It wasn't that many calories. Didn't have fries though. Those probably kill it.
Actually it wasn't too bad, about 800 calories for both. I'm actually still under, even with dinner (which of course makes me think about how many days I wouldn't have even been over if I'd logged the unplanned food, instead of going "ah it's all gone to hell, pass me the cookie jar and a case of beer")0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread inspired me to logg the burger and fries I had for lunch even though I had already mentally written today off as a "whatever" day.
I had a cheeseburger for dinner and one for lunch the past few days. It wasn't that many calories. Didn't have fries though. Those probably kill it.
Actually it wasn't too bad, about 800 calories for both. I'm actually still under, even with dinner (which of course makes me think about how many days I wouldn't have even been over if I'd logged the unplanned food, instead of going "ah it's all gone to hell, pass me the cookie jar and a case of beer")
yeah, that's not bad.0 -
I also found that certain foods were lower in calories than I initially thought once I started logging more.0
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obscuremusicreference wrote: »I don't really understand why so many people on here say they eat something and don't log it at all. They're not cheating the system--their bodies log it all. There were dozens, if not hundreds, of people who said that.
What is the reasoning behind that? Do they not want their friends to see? Do they think that if they don't log it, it's somehow less real? I'm not talking about the occasional "I stole my kid's french fry," I'm talking about people who eat a significant amount of unlogged food.
Maybe I just don't get it, but it seems like a good way to spin your wheels.
Only the individual can answer this question, because the answer is based on personal experience only.
I do know, however, that some people know eat intuitively. Think of all the people you know who have never been overweight--they don't log their calories, they just know when to stop eating. Well, some people know how to do this during weight loss and maintenance after weight loss as well.0 -
most cases? you know that many people can maintain their weight just naturally and based on intuitive eating, right? counting calories is not natural to begin with.
Yes I do, except that I thought we were talking about the specific people in the confession thread. Are we not? I assume if someone's on here trying to log and also posting about their bingeing cheats and struggles with weight loss, they probably *aren't* people who can intuitively maintain their weight.0 -
I log every single thing I eat, the good and the bad.
I get excited on a sunday when I check my weekly deficit and it's way under or whatever it may be. If I omitted foods here or there during the week I wouldn't know, and I'd just be cheating myself.
I've noticed people raving about the bar code option, it's never worked for me
And while I'm at it, it drives me nuts when people confuse lose and loose! Or they weighted instead of weigh/weighed.
Aaaahhhhh I feel better now
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I log everything
Cos I like maths and data0 -
echmainfit619 wrote: »I'm going to log *everything* until Apple invents the gadget you install in your mouth that automatically logs every calorie you eat to your iPhone. Can that be far away? Maybe a tooth implant or a sensor?
Wow...you might be on to something there. I would SOOOOO invest in that.0 -
...I end up logging new recipes frequently. I have 9 different entries for beef and rice (sometimes adding veggis, different fat content ground beef, etc). Recording a recipe can take 10minutes. Its ridiculous.
Here's a tip for you! Save your frequent combinations as meals instead of as recipes. Recipes are annoying to input and to edit. I used to do it all the time. Ugh. Meals are similar in that you input each ingredient once. The next time you make it, copy the meal into your diary. Adjust the values as necessary. It takes far less time than messing with the recipe calculator, where you have to search for foods every time and try to figure out if it's the same ingredient you used last time. Just a few clicks to modify/add or take away ingredients. Wish someone had told me about meals when I first joined. Would have saved me loads of time.
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I don't think anyone in that thread is saying that not logging works for them or that they "can get away with it."
I think the point is that it's a confession thread. They (we) are confessing to things we acknowledge weren't the correct thing to do. And when people say "I regret nothing" the point is "yeah, it was bad for my goals but it was worth it" or "hey, life rolls on so no sweat."0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »I don't think anyone in that thread is saying that not logging works for them or that they "can get away with it."
I think the point is that it's a confession thread. They (we) are confessing to things we acknowledge weren't the correct thing to do. And when people say "I regret nothing" the point is "yeah, it was bad for my goals but it was worth it" or "hey, life rolls on so no sweat."
you have all been judged.0 -
Yeah, I don't log the one bite things or stolen fries either. Unless it's like a piece of candy that I know I can easily log "one piece." I'm pretty on point with the rest of my logging and I rarely eat any of my exercise calories… so I don't worry about it. I will occasionally (rare occasion… like 4-5 times per YEAR) have meals where I don't bother to log individual things but will "quick add" an inflated estimated calorie count… like Thanksgiving dinner (1200 calories for one meal-- no seconds) or New Years Eve (900 calories for the snacks only… I logged the actual meals). That's my definition of a "cheat meal" is where I just eat and don't log. I use that term because it's one everyone knows… but I don't consider it a cheat and I waste ZERO time feeling guilty about it. I consider it real life and sustainability.0
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sugaraddict4321 wrote: »...I end up logging new recipes frequently. I have 9 different entries for beef and rice (sometimes adding veggis, different fat content ground beef, etc). Recording a recipe can take 10minutes. Its ridiculous.
Here's a tip for you! Save your frequent combinations as meals instead of as recipes. Recipes are annoying to input and to edit. I used to do it all the time. Ugh. Meals are similar in that you input each ingredient once. The next time you make it, copy the meal into your diary. Adjust the values as necessary. It takes far less time than messing with the recipe calculator, where you have to search for foods every time and try to figure out if it's the same ingredient you used last time. Just a few clicks to modify/add or take away ingredients. Wish someone had told me about meals when I first joined. Would have saved me loads of time.
I am going to try this. Thanks!0
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