Eliminating bread and rice?
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We cut out bread, but that was because my husband has had occasional flare-ups of an intestinal problem that may or may not be Crohn's. He had a crohn's diagnosis, but, it seems to have gone away for now at least. Anyways, no pasta or bread here. I didn't lose any additional weight cutting out bread because I replaced it with other things and still ate the same amount of calories.
I can see cutting out a trigger food. Like, if bread in the house means you can't stop yourself from eating 10 PB and J sandwiches, then maybe you'd do better not having it in the house. There are foods which are like that for me. We had whole wheat bread, and I just didn't feel the need to binge on that. It was one of those things that would go bad and we'd have to throw some away.0 -
Properly simple vs. complex carbohydrate refers to the chemical structure, with sugars (including fruit sugars) being simple and starches (including in potato chips or white bread) being complex. Nothing whatsoever to do with nutritional value or whether they are "refined" or "processed" or not, and nothing to do with the GI, the relevance of which is incredibly overstated anyway.
People just confuse "simple" with "refined" or think it sounds bad or the like.
If you want white bread to be digested more slowly, of course, you can add butter. Slow digestion is helpful for making your diet more satisfying, for many, but isn't the be-all, end-all of nutrition, as some would have it.
I'm all for whole grains and try to eat them for the most part when I eat grains (I'm actually somewhat convinced that white rice is more nutritionally beneficial than brown, though), but not because of simple vs. complex (I'm much more fond of fruit than any grains) or because I care about the GI when I don't eat plain bread by itself ever.0 -
If you're low carbing, then you reduce the amount of water and glycogen in your cells. That's what the initial large weight loss comes from. But if you intend to start eating it again, your weight could jump up anywhere from 3-10lbs from one meal of it because you're restoring what was depleted.shapenerfiterratii wrote: »I'm a starter and I've heard a lot of people say they stopped eating rice and bread, while others said that you need it, and now I'm confused. Besides common sense of moderation, do you really think eliminating bread and rice from my diet will help a lot?
Don't make fun of me
Doing this for a long time now and being an avid eater of white rice (I'm Asian), it's really more about CICO when it comes to weight loss rather than elimination of foods or food groups.
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If you're low carbing, then you reduce the amount of water and glycogen in your cells. That's what the initial large weight loss comes from. But if you intend to start eating it again, your weight could jump up anywhere from 3-10lbs from one meal of it because you're restoring what was depleted.shapenerfiterratii wrote: »I'm a starter and I've heard a lot of people say they stopped eating rice and bread, while others said that you need it, and now I'm confused. Besides common sense of moderation, do you really think eliminating bread and rice from my diet will help a lot?
Don't make fun of me
Doing this for a long time now and being an avid eater of white rice (I'm Asian), it's really more about CICO when it comes to weight loss rather than elimination of foods or food groups.
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Not necessarily low-carbing, it's just that we eat a lot of bread and rice in our house and I want to know what kind and how much would be the least harmful and most helpful. I over on my carbs a lot from various sources, so I want to manage that. It's not a "trigger", though.0 -
But the question is does that mean white rice is not a complex carb because it isn't complex enough?I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?
Most sources will not list white bread as a complex carb, its actually difficult to find anywhere that it is a complex carb as it is made from wheat, it is more commonly listed as a refined starch as most of the nutritional content has been stripped out then nutrients added back in.
The more complex a carbohydrate the slower it is broken down in your system, thats why whole grain or seven grain bread is more associated with complex carbs.
The more refined a starch the faster it is absorbed into you system which can result in blood sugar peaks and drops causing a less stable energy level.
The same response applies to white rice. No where in there did it state that white bread was not a complex carb0 -
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But the question is does that mean white rice is not a complex carb because it isn't complex enough?I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?
Most sources will not list white bread as a complex carb, its actually difficult to find anywhere that it is a complex carb as it is made from wheat, it is more commonly listed as a refined starch as most of the nutritional content has been stripped out then nutrients added back in.
The more complex a carbohydrate the slower it is broken down in your system, thats why whole grain or seven grain bread is more associated with complex carbs.
The more refined a starch the faster it is absorbed into you system which can result in blood sugar peaks and drops causing a less stable energy level.
The same response applies to white rice. No where in there did it state that white bread was not a complex carb
The point is that it's either a complex carb or it isn't. Not that one is "more" complex.
The point is to give further clarification to someone as to why some may think it is a simple carb0 -
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Or bread is now in the same reference category as an apple, win win.
But the question is does that mean white rice is not a complex carb because it isn't complex enough?I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?
Most sources will not list white bread as a complex carb, its actually difficult to find anywhere that it is a complex carb as it is made from wheat, it is more commonly listed as a refined starch as most of the nutritional content has been stripped out then nutrients added back in.
The more complex a carbohydrate the slower it is broken down in your system, thats why whole grain or seven grain bread is more associated with complex carbs.
The more refined a starch the faster it is absorbed into you system which can result in blood sugar peaks and drops causing a less stable energy level.
The same response applies to white rice. No where in there did it state that white bread was not a complex carb
The point is that it's either a complex carb or it isn't. Not that one is "more" complex.
The point is to give further clarification to someone as to why some may think it is a simple carb
Regurgitated misconceptions.
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PB&J sandwiches are pretty hard to make without bread...so I would not be cutting that one out.0
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shapenerfiterratii wrote: »It will depending on your goals -- let's say white bread while losing weight won't help it will get you full yes ,but (for like 45 minutes then you will be hungry again ) now if you eat some wheat bread it will keep you fuller for a longer time.
Isn't wheat bread higher in calories though?
It's not just about the calorie count. Wheat bread will be more filling than white because it retains more protein and fiber....same with brown rice (vs. white...yucky). When you reduce your overall calories it becomes more important to "get the most bang" for your calorie buck.
Brown rice is the yucky one!! White sushi rice = heaven!!!!!!!0 -
Moderation, people, moderation!0
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Do what works for you! I cut them out almost entirely b/c they are triggers and I've had success losing. I eat mainly plain baked sweet potatoes and low fat popcorn as my carbs instead.0
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Eat bread, eat rice. Just make sure to track and weigh so you know your portions aren't mad. Unrefined and whole grain are usually better as they're slower release so keep you fuller for longer. But you don't need to cut them out.
That said, I gave up bread for a month (a friend dared me - I only had it twice!) and although I can eat it now I've massively cut back as I've got so used to going without and having alternatives.0 -
I also think it is just calories in and calories out. Bread, rice and pasta have got quite some calories, so if you like to you could try to decrease the amount you eat and/or play around a bit with some "substitutes". You could try out "shirataki" noodles and rice or noodles made from vegetables like zucchini or rice made from cauliflower. And you could try out "low cal" versions of bread like LaTortillaFactory low carb tortillas as a wrap substitute or thomas light multigrain english muffins or flatout flatbread eg....you could also use "low carber-tricks" like making wraps out of lettuce leaves...I would not cut bread etc out, though. This can really lead to deprivation binges according to my experience. However, there are people who swear on low carb and that exactly this prevents them from bingeing...0
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another option would be to use aubergine slices as lasagna plate substitute0
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I've lost almost 60lbs while still eating bread, rice, Mcds, Taco Bell etc etc etc
For weight loss it really is about calories and math. However, I am just starting to (very tentatively) look into how wheat 'may' affect mental clarity. Pretty skeptic about the whole wheat belly/grain brain thing, but I'm dealing with some 'fuzzy' brain issues, so I'm going to try some new things and see if any of it helps. I don't know if my issue is a diet thing or a supplement thing, or because I have three kids that make me go crazy lol. 0 -
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I also think it is just calories in and calories out. Bread, rice and pasta have got quite some calories, so if you like to you could try to decrease the amount you eat and/or play around a bit with some "substitutes". You could try out "shirataki" noodles and rice or noodles made from vegetables like zucchini or rice made from cauliflower. And you could try out "low cal" versions of bread like LaTortillaFactory low carb tortillas as a wrap substitute or thomas light multigrain english muffins or flatout flatbread eg....you could also use "low carber-tricks" like making wraps out of lettuce leaves...I would not cut bread etc out, though. This can really lead to deprivation binges according to my experience. However, there are people who swear on low carb and that exactly this prevents them from bingeing...
I've actually tried the grated cauliflower instead of rice in multiple meals and it's really, really good. But rice noodles made from Zucchini?0 -
shapenerfiterratii wrote: »It will depending on your goals -- let's say white bread while losing weight won't help it will get you full yes ,but (for like 45 minutes then you will be hungry again ) now if you eat some wheat bread it will keep you fuller for a longer time.
Isn't wheat bread higher in calories though?
high calorie =/= bad.
it just makes it high calorie and you have to be aware of that.0 -
shapenerfiterratii wrote: »It will depending on your goals -- let's say white bread while losing weight won't help it will get you full yes ,but (for like 45 minutes then you will be hungry again ) now if you eat some wheat bread it will keep you fuller for a longer time.
Isn't wheat bread higher in calories though?
high calorie =/= bad.
it just makes it high calorie and you have to be aware of that.
So the calories aren't the only thing I should look at when I'm dealing with carbs. Fiber, and what else?0 -
shapenerfiterratii wrote: »shapenerfiterratii wrote: »It will depending on your goals -- let's say white bread while losing weight won't help it will get you full yes ,but (for like 45 minutes then you will be hungry again ) now if you eat some wheat bread it will keep you fuller for a longer time.
Isn't wheat bread higher in calories though?
high calorie =/= bad.
it just makes it high calorie and you have to be aware of that.
So the calories aren't the only thing I should look at when I'm dealing with carbs. Fiber, and what else?
what? I dont' even understand.
eat the food if you like it. If it's to many calories- eat less of it.
I don't eat a lot of bread because I'd personally rather eat MORE other food- than a little less of that. But sometime I make the trade off- I eat less of something and eat the bread too.
just eat food you like- and watch how many calories you are eating.
Also- fiber is wildly over rated- eat your veggies and you'l be fine.0 -
shapenerfiterratii wrote: »shapenerfiterratii wrote: »It will depending on your goals -- let's say white bread while losing weight won't help it will get you full yes ,but (for like 45 minutes then you will be hungry again ) now if you eat some wheat bread it will keep you fuller for a longer time.
Isn't wheat bread higher in calories though?
high calorie =/= bad.
it just makes it high calorie and you have to be aware of that.
So the calories aren't the only thing I should look at when I'm dealing with carbs. Fiber, and what else?
what? I dont' even understand.
eat the food if you like it. If it's to many calories- eat less of it.
I don't eat a lot of bread because I'd personally rather eat MORE other food- than a little less of that. But sometime I make the trade off- I eat less of something and eat the bread too.
just eat food you like- and watch how many calories you are eating.
Also- fiber is wildly over rated- eat your veggies and you'l be fine.
I think I was confused myself. Thank you.0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »
A Texas toast grilled cheese sandwich is heaven.0 -
I personally try to eliminate bread out of my diet, it doesn't happen all of the time but it has helped me out a lot in maintaining my body composition. I cannot and will not give up my Japanese sticky rice because that's what I grew up eating
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another option would be to use aubergine slices as lasagna plate substitute
oh dear. I have made a lasagne with aubergine. Never again. I actually think aubergines are one of those things that shouldn't be consumed.
One piece of advise I was given when i started out was cut out bread, pasta, and rice and i would lose weight. I wonder who starts these useless facts? I really didnt bother cos i like all 3, so like others have said just fit it in. I eat all type of bread regardless of colour. However Brown rice and pasta is just nasty to me.
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I eat certain types of bread. I avoid white bread but I love sugar free whole wheat and flax bread.
I also eat brown rice and not white rice. Depending on the type of exercise you are doing, complex carbs can be your best friend to help you push through those difficult workouts.
I don't eat much pasta and I do limit my carbs overall, I try to eat more protein and veggies.
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I got rid of white bread, hamburger buns etc. But i do eat some mulitgrain and whole wheat breads (not much). I try to limit pasta, white rice etc (and when i do eat it i try to get brown rice or whole wheat pasta) . Seems like i lose more consistently when i limit carbs somewhat. But everyones body is different.0
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