St Louis area trainer posts picture of overweight fan at Cardinals game
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SconnieCat wrote: »FYI, an apology was made on the Shark Fitness Facebook Page. Here it is... thoughts?I would like to take a moment to express my apologies to the individual in the photograph I posted and those it upset. One of the things I have learned quite painfully over the last couple of days is how sometimes something that is well intentioned can be executed poorly. I care deeply about the issue of obesity, and I have helped many people improve their health over the years. But it is right to say that I should not have posted an anonymous picture of a someone on social media in the manner I did.
My intent was to communicate to my clients and followers that we all have choices and start a conversation about obesity which is causing a great deal of harm to our nation - from its burden on the health care system, its declaration as a national security risk, the health problems and early deaths of some great people and its impact on individual rights. I believe in fitness, it’s what I do and I hope to encourage others to continue to stay on track to be the best they can be. I’m sorry my method ruined that message. I have removed the offending post and would welcome the opportunity to speak one on one with the individual if she is willing.
Wait...I can understand the health piece, but NATIONAL SECURITY RISK? Seriously??0 -
bingo_jenn wrote: »
Wait...I can understand the health piece, but NATIONAL SECURITY RISK? Seriously??
Yes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3736119/
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SconnieCat wrote: »FYI, an apology was made on the Shark Fitness Facebook Page. Here it is... thoughts?I would like to take a moment to express my apologies to the individual in the photograph I posted and those it upset. One of the things I have learned quite painfully over the last couple of days is how sometimes something that is well intentioned can be executed poorly. I care deeply about the issue of obesity, and I have helped many people improve their health over the years. But it is right to say that I should not have posted an anonymous picture of a someone on social media in the manner I did.
My intent was to communicate to my clients and followers that we all have choices and start a conversation about obesity which is causing a great deal of harm to our nation - from its burden on the health care system, its declaration as a national security risk, the health problems and early deaths of some great people and its impact on individual rights. I believe in fitness, it’s what I do and I hope to encourage others to continue to stay on track to be the best they can be. I’m sorry my method ruined that message. I have removed the offending post and would welcome the opportunity to speak one on one with the individual if she is willing.
It's not bad as an apology goes, but when he states he wants to start a conversation about obesity, why not start with the woman herself?0 -
SconnieCat wrote: »FYI, an apology was made on the Shark Fitness Facebook Page. Here it is... thoughts?I would like to take a moment to express my apologies to the individual in the photograph I posted and those it upset. One of the things I have learned quite painfully over the last couple of days is how sometimes something that is well intentioned can be executed poorly. I care deeply about the issue of obesity, and I have helped many people improve their health over the years. But it is right to say that I should not have posted an anonymous picture of a someone on social media in the manner I did.
My intent was to communicate to my clients and followers that we all have choices and start a conversation about obesity which is causing a great deal of harm to our nation - from its burden on the health care system, its declaration as a national security risk, the health problems and early deaths of some great people and its impact on individual rights. I believe in fitness, it’s what I do and I hope to encourage others to continue to stay on track to be the best they can be. I’m sorry my method ruined that message. I have removed the offending post and would welcome the opportunity to speak one on one with the individual if she is willing.
It's not bad as an apology goes, but when he states he wants to start a conversation about obesity, why not start with the woman herself?
That was kinda my thought. And I saw a few people on his page say, "why not just give her your card and offer some help?" To me, that would be incredibly insulting. It's like saying, "Hey! I know you're fat. How about I train you so you can lose weight?"
Truthfully, if he really wanted to start a conversation, he could have done so without a shocking photo and disparaging remarks.
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Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.0
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bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
Thank you so much for sharing, what an amazing response.
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bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Why is it the healthy weight individual who has to shut up and deal with it? And people of all size have children who behave poorly, so not sure what that statement was all about.
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You need to complain to the correct source of the problem: the airlines.I_Will_End_You wrote: »bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Why is it the healthy weight individual who has to shut up and deal with it? And people of all size have children who behave poorly, so not sure what that statement was all about.
No one should have to shut up and deal with it. However, what is the other person supposed to do about the fact that the seat they were given is too small for them? They can't lop off the extra inches so that they fit in the seat, just like tall people can't make their femurs shorter so that their knees don't dig into the seat in front of them. Obese people have the same right to travel and mingle in public that everyone else has.
It is not right that people aren't given adequate room but that's the airlines' fault, not the person's.0 -
bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?0 -
I respectfully disagree. I'm 5'10" and my husband is 6'3". Air travel sucks. But I was born with those long femurs and have no choice about it.
You need to complain to the correct source of the problem: the airlines.I_Will_End_You wrote: »bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Why is it the healthy weight individual who has to shut up and deal with it? And people of all size have children who behave poorly, so not sure what that statement was all about.
No one should have to shut up and deal with it. However, what is the other person supposed to do about the fact that the seat they were given is too small for them? They can't lop off the extra inches so that they fit in the seat, just like tall people can't make their femurs shorter so that their knees don't dig into the seat in front of them. Obese people have the same right to travel and mingle in public that everyone else has.
It is not right that people aren't given adequate room but that's the airlines' fault, not the person's.
My weight however...my choice.
Now before people get all up in arms, we all know there are different stories and backgrounds as to why someone is obese. However I think we can also all agree that the vast majority of overweight and obese people are that way because of their own choices. I don't mean to sound harsh, but surely you can see the point?
ETA: my opinion does not mean that I agree with shaming. I don't. There has to be a sensible and respectful way to handle it.
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I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.0 -
it's always someone else's fault.Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.
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When you are surrounded by easy fast food and enablers, obesity is an easier choice than working hard to get and stay slim. But that's beside the point for this conversation.
I respectfully disagree. I'm 5'10" and my husband is 6'3". Air travel sucks. But I was born with those long femurs and have no choice about it.
You need to complain to the correct source of the problem: the airlines.I_Will_End_You wrote: »bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Why is it the healthy weight individual who has to shut up and deal with it? And people of all size have children who behave poorly, so not sure what that statement was all about.
No one should have to shut up and deal with it. However, what is the other person supposed to do about the fact that the seat they were given is too small for them? They can't lop off the extra inches so that they fit in the seat, just like tall people can't make their femurs shorter so that their knees don't dig into the seat in front of them. Obese people have the same right to travel and mingle in public that everyone else has.
It is not right that people aren't given adequate room but that's the airlines' fault, not the person's.
My weight however...my choice.
Now before people get all up in arms, we all know there are different stories and backgrounds as to why someone is obese. However I think we can also all agree that the vast majority of overweight and obese people are that way because of their own choices. I don't mean to sound harsh, but surely you can see the point?
ETA: my opinion does not mean that I agree with shaming. I don't. There has to be a sensible and respectful way to handle it.
The person is obese right now. No amount of discussion about the past or the future will change the fact that the person is obese right now and they have a lot of peers who are also obese right now.
Should they have the right to travel? To go to a ball game? To go to the beach? If they have those rights, should they be accommodated with adequately sized seating? Is it their fault if the seat is too narrow and they spill over?0 -
Frank conversations about weight are what we should have with our loved ones, friends, and doctors.
Bullying is what you call it when you take a picture of a stranger and use it to ridicule them as a way of farming 'likes'.0 -
The dude is a tool and i hope she finds a way to make him pay. Facebook should ban his *kitten*.0
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Wow I live here and I haven't heard of it until now - in any event, yeah that's just wrong. I will not be going to that establishment for any training.0
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Of course it isn't.
it's always someone else's fault.Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.
However, temptation can't be discarded as irrelevant.
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I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.
So you don't care then. It's your world; everyone else is just in your way.0 -
Of course I care. I don't want to touch strangers either.
I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.
So you don't care then. It's your world; everyone else is just in your way.
I don't see a proposed solution. How do you suggest that people avoid touching others when the seats are too narrow? Or are you just suggesting that I should stay home so that I'll be out of sight and out of mind?
It's everyone's world.0 -
I respectfully disagree. I'm 5'10" and my husband is 6'3". Air travel sucks. But I was born with those long femurs and have no choice about it.
You need to complain to the correct source of the problem: the airlines.I_Will_End_You wrote: »bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Why is it the healthy weight individual who has to shut up and deal with it? And people of all size have children who behave poorly, so not sure what that statement was all about.
No one should have to shut up and deal with it. However, what is the other person supposed to do about the fact that the seat they were given is too small for them? They can't lop off the extra inches so that they fit in the seat, just like tall people can't make their femurs shorter so that their knees don't dig into the seat in front of them. Obese people have the same right to travel and mingle in public that everyone else has.
It is not right that people aren't given adequate room but that's the airlines' fault, not the person's.
My weight however...my choice.
Now before people get all up in arms, we all know there are different stories and backgrounds as to why someone is obese. However I think we can also all agree that the vast majority of overweight and obese people are that way because of their own choices. I don't mean to sound harsh, but surely you can see the point?
ETA: my opinion does not mean that I agree with shaming. I don't. There has to be a sensible and respectful way to handle it.
I have to agree with this. Seems everyone's first line of defense is "what if it they have a medical condition!!". We all know that for the VAST MAJORITY of obese individuals are not overweight for that reason. In fact, it's probably the opposite- they now suffer from a medical condition because of their weight.
Recently I flew direct from Boston to Seattle, sitting in the middle seat between two obese people. It was hell. My 5'1" self was lost between them. I absolutely did not have to "accept them as they are" like people are saying here. Give me a break. Also, what would have happened if I was obese as well? There would have been no way for all of us to fit.0 -
Of course I care. I don't want to touch strangers either.
I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.
So you don't care then. It's your world; everyone else is just in your way.
I don't see a proposed solution. How do you suggest that people avoid touching others when the seats are too narrow? Or are you just suggesting that I should stay home so that I'll be out of sight and out of mind?
It's everyone's world.
I think the solution is for you to purchase extra space so that everyone is comfortable. You should not have to stay home.
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brianpperkins wrote: »chadboyer64 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
Using self reported weight or weigh at checkin?
Buy your ticket at a $/lb price. Probably with min charges. Weigh when you checkin. No baggage fees.
You've just proposed eliminating online check in and skipping the counter ... you've just proposed making people weigh in front of others ...
Samoa Air used self reported weight when they tried this. So easy to lie in order to pay less for a ticket.
I knew they talked about trying it but didn't know if they actually went ahead with it. What is the point of self reported weight? My understanding is they were charging for the weight of the person and all of their luggage. How would you even know the weight of your luggage when booking?
I'm also confused because I was under the impression the reason for trying this was because they flew smaller airplanes where weight and weight dispersion was a far greater concern, so having a more accurate weight was the whole point.
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Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, obese people are going to travel. They can't quickly make themselves not-obese and they need to travel right now.Recently I flew direct from Boston to Seattle, sitting in the middle seat between two obese people. It was hell. My 5'1" self was lost between them. I absolutely did not have to "accept them as they are" like people are saying here. Give me a break. Also, what would have happened if I was obese as well? There would have been no way for all of us to fit.
It's not right that you had to sit between two larger people who took up more room than was provided by their seat but that is what is happening in modern airline travel. All of the seats should be wider but airlines are making the seats even narrower so that they can fit more people per flight.
If people don't demand an immediate change of seat when they don't have enough room in their seat due to neighboring passengers, the airlines won't be pressured to alter their layouts. One trick they use to avoid accommodating those sort of requests is to overbook so that there are no extra seats on the plane. There used to be more extra seats so that people could spread out a bit more.
Everyone should be comfortable. There should be wide seats for normal people and really wide seats for obese people.
We are being treated like sardines and are blaming each other for it.
If you didn't have enough room, complain to the airline. You paid for that seat and you should have had enough room. Airlines are getting away with crowding airplanes because people are complaining about each other rather than pointing their complaints toward the companies.
As someone stated above, that's not always an option. Some planes just don't have any "wide" seats. Luckily, I haven't actually flown recently so it's not a current issue for me.
Of course I care. I don't want to touch strangers either.
I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.
So you don't care then. It's your world; everyone else is just in your way.
I don't see a proposed solution. How do you suggest that people avoid touching others when the seats are too narrow? Or are you just suggesting that I should stay home so that I'll be out of sight and out of mind?
It's everyone's world.
I think the solution is for you to purchase extra space so that everyone is comfortable. You should not have to stay home.
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vinegar_husbands wrote: »I don't really have a problem with this, but he shouldn't be surprised that people are giving him a hard time about it. Both people (the trainer and overweight woman) were being rude, of course, but people like her are usually the ones who end up with personal trainers. Not to mention, it's the midwest.
How was she being rude?
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Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, obese people are going to travel. They can't quickly make themselves not-obese and they need to travel right now.Recently I flew direct from Boston to Seattle, sitting in the middle seat between two obese people. It was hell. My 5'1" self was lost between them. I absolutely did not have to "accept them as they are" like people are saying here. Give me a break. Also, what would have happened if I was obese as well? There would have been no way for all of us to fit.
It's not right that you had to sit between two larger people who took up more room than was provided by their seat but that is what is happening in modern airline travel. All of the seats should be wider but airlines are making the seats even narrower so that they can fit more people per flight.
If people don't demand an immediate change of seat when they don't have enough room in their seat due to neighboring passengers, the airlines won't be pressured to alter their layouts. One trick they use to avoid accommodating those sort of requests is to overbook so that there are no extra seats on the plane. There used to be more extra seats so that people could spread out a bit more.
Everyone should be comfortable. There should be wide seats for normal people and really wide seats for obese people.
We are being treated like sardines and are blaming each other for it.
If you didn't have enough room, complain to the airline. You paid for that seat and you should have had enough room. Airlines are getting away with crowding airplanes because people are complaining about each other rather than pointing their complaints toward the companies.
As someone stated above, that's not always an option. Some planes just don't have any "wide" seats. Luckily, I haven't actually flown recently so it's not a current issue for me.
Of course I care. I don't want to touch strangers either.
I don't have a magic button that suddenly allows me to take up less room. If I did, I would hit it. I don't have a wall that I can put between my seat and the seat beside me. What can I do, hold my breath? Even if I could hold my breath for the entire trip, I would still spill over the sides of my tiny seat.bunsen_honeydew wrote: »Special wide seats that you can pay extra (but not double) are available on some flights. It's called premium economy. But not short haul. For those, just shut up and deal, I'm afraid. I put up with skinny people's *kitten* behaved kids, they can cope if I take up all the space in the tiny seats.
Take up all the space, absolutely. What I'm curious about it why nobody seems to care about the person forced to accept the unwanted touch of a total stranger? Seriously, do you not care how you make someone feel? Why not just grab a boob then? What's the difference?
How do you propose that I take up less space? I would love to avoid touching the person next to me but they are right there and I don't have a portable wall or anything that will physically prevent me from encroaching.
So you don't care then. It's your world; everyone else is just in your way.
I don't see a proposed solution. How do you suggest that people avoid touching others when the seats are too narrow? Or are you just suggesting that I should stay home so that I'll be out of sight and out of mind?
It's everyone's world.
I think the solution is for you to purchase extra space so that everyone is comfortable. You should not have to stay home.
Most planes don't have any larger seats, they just have those teeny, tiny seats. There are very few people who are actually comfortable in an airplane seat these days. And your right, they routinely overbook so that there are no open seats.
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vinegar_husbands wrote: »I don't really have a problem with this, but he shouldn't be surprised that people are giving him a hard time about it. Both people (the trainer and overweight woman) were being rude, of course, but people like her are usually the ones who end up with personal trainers. Not to mention, it's the midwest.
How was the woman rude, and what does the Midwest have to do with this?0 -
Of course it isn't.
it's always someone else's fault.Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.
However, temptation can't be discarded as irrelevant.
You should be stronger than your temptations. If you're giving in on a regular enough basis that it is causing you to gain/remain obese, it's time to discuss your issues with someone. I agree that the airlines shouldn't cram more narrow seats in--but the alternative is higher ticket prices.
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If everyone were stronger than their temptations, then no one would be obese, alcoholic, or a shoplifter.barbecuesauce wrote: »
Of course it isn't.
it's always someone else's fault.Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.
However, temptation can't be discarded as irrelevant.
You should be stronger than your temptations. If you're giving in on a regular enough basis that it is causing you to gain/remain obese, it's time to discuss your issues with someone. I agree that the airlines shouldn't cram more narrow seats in--but the alternative is higher ticket prices.
I appreciate your concern for my personal issues but I'm referring to the population in general. For me, MFP is working nicely.
I agree that larger seats on planes would mean some combination of higher ticket prices and lower airline profits. However, if we don't push back, people will eventually just be stacked like cordwood in the Economy section.
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People ARE pushing back. But most people are conscious of the sensitive nature of this issue and realize the impact of making a scene on an airplane when they find themselves being encroached upon. I for one would not. I know that if I asked to be moved, it would be VERY obvious as to why. I chose to be uncomfortable over humiliating someone.
If everyone were stronger than their temptations, then no one would be obese, alcoholic, or a shoplifter.barbecuesauce wrote: »
Of course it isn't.
it's always someone else's fault.Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.
However, temptation can't be discarded as irrelevant.
You should be stronger than your temptations. If you're giving in on a regular enough basis that it is causing you to gain/remain obese, it's time to discuss your issues with someone. I agree that the airlines shouldn't cram more narrow seats in--but the alternative is higher ticket prices.
I appreciate your concern for my personal issues but I'm referring to the population in general. For me, MFP is working nicely.
I agree that larger seats on planes would mean some combination of higher ticket prices and lower airline profits. However, if we don't push back, people will eventually just be stacked like cordwood in the Economy section.
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