Calorie counting doesn't work according to a new study. Apparently.
skysiebaby
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"Calorie-controlled diets don’t work. Many of us may have suspected as much for years — but now there’s compelling evidence in a new book by Professor Tim Spector, a leading genetics expert at King’s College London.
What’s more, he’s offering a tantalising new theory about what really makes us fat — which could revolutionise our approach to weight loss.
As one of the scientists leading worldwide research into the trillions of bacteria living in our stomachs, Professor Spector believes they hold an amazing power over our health and moods — and that our modern diet may be having a negative effect on them."
IMO rubbish like this is part of the reason we have an obesity epidemic- the public are constantly told by the media its not always their own fault they are fat. Ironically the top rated comments on the article actually make the most sense for a change. Link below.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3077507/Everything-think-know-diets-wrong.html
What’s more, he’s offering a tantalising new theory about what really makes us fat — which could revolutionise our approach to weight loss.
As one of the scientists leading worldwide research into the trillions of bacteria living in our stomachs, Professor Spector believes they hold an amazing power over our health and moods — and that our modern diet may be having a negative effect on them."
IMO rubbish like this is part of the reason we have an obesity epidemic- the public are constantly told by the media its not always their own fault they are fat. Ironically the top rated comments on the article actually make the most sense for a change. Link below.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3077507/Everything-think-know-diets-wrong.html
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I love crap like this! Lol0
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Ok so calorie counting doesn't work and according to another study exercise isn't necessary for weight loss. I've been working out and counting calories like a crazy person for nothing and I haven't really lost 40kg?
"Professor Spector argues that, with the right regimen of diet and exercise ..."
Has he read
Exercise is good … but it won't help you lose weight, say doctors
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/22/obesity-owes-more-to-bad-diet-than-lack-of-exercise-say-doctors
and
Exercise 'not key to obesity fight'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32417699?ocid=socialflow_facebook
Scientists!!! pfft
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daily mail...nuff said
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What a load of rubbish. Daily mail should come with a health warning.0
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i wish i could blame something besides chronic laziness and overeating to being a fat *kitten*.
but yanno.... science.
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skysiebaby wrote: »
I will guarantee that the tabloid journo did not look at the research study or the book at all0 -
also it says he's a geneticist
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Oh so if that is true then I'm the Queen of Ireland!!!!0
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Let's see, I have lost 70 pounds since August doing a low calorie program plus moderate (just getting off of my butt) exercise. But it doesn't work. Whatever. Seriously, I get asked every day, "What are you doing?" Several people have started doing what I am doing and have also lost weight, but there are those who want the magic pill. "Oh, I can't do that." "Aren't you taking a diet pill or something." NOPE. Laziness got me fat and hard work is going to fix it. Not that I am calling fat people lazy, but lazy habits will kill you - driving through the drive through instead of fixing a healthy meal, parking next to the door when you go shop instead of walking from the parking lot, sitting watching TV all night instead of going for a walk, etc. Lazy habits.0
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »i wish i could blame something besides chronic laziness and overeating to being a fat *kitten*.
Of course you can. Personally, my bacteria made me lazy!
There actually is interesting work on gut bacteria, which I assume this is about, but selling it as "you have no control over your weight, diet and exercise don't matter" is so pathetic.
It may just be the media coverage, though, although it also may be a tactic to get media coverage.0 -
If you actually read the study it probably doesn't say the same thing as the extreme Daily Fail head line.
DM IS FICTION NOT FACT0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »i wish i could blame something besides chronic laziness and overeating to being a fat *kitten*.
Of course you can. Personally, my bacteria made me lazy!
There actually is interesting work on gut bacteria, which I assume this is about, but selling it as "you have no control over your weight, diet and exercise don't matter" is so pathetic.
It may just be the media coverage, though, although it also may be a tactic to get media coverage.
I'm pretty sure my bacteria didnt make me do it, either. LOLOLOL
I'll stick with CICO and exercise. its doing a kick butt job so far... :P0 -
They never read the full brief when reporting on any medical study. They pull the most tantalizing parts out without the "but" that every medical study has. CICO has worked for centuries. Why would it stop working now?0
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also it says he's a geneticist
and?
My point is, that no wonder the general public get confused about which advice to take when it comes to weight loss. All the 'experts' (and it doesn't even seem to matter what kind of expert) give conflicting advice every week. I have personally learned alot from browsing these forums for the last 5 years - and CICO works. Period.
For example, there was a programme on ITV the other night and Jonathan Maitland (a well known presenter in the UK) actually said the words, "so carbohydrates are the enemy". To the uninformed this ain't a helpful thing to hear.0 -
Sarasmaintaining wrote: »
Was gonna say the same, its not just the DM, its doing the rounds on the other nationals.
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So the article is basically this genetics expert saying, the bacteria in your gut(or lack thereof) is ONE of the causes for people to put on weight.
That to lose weight it will take more than just calorie restriction. It will take exercise, and eating a wide variety of foods including cheese, alcohol and chocolate to put your body back into balance. Oh and of course, avoid fast food.
For SOME REASON, this guy seems to think that people who go on a calorie monitoring diet only eat CHICKEN and BROCCOLI.
"Dieting can also be dangerous, he adds. ‘The increasing promotion and use of restrictive diets that depend on just a few ingredients will inevitably lead to a further reduction in microbe diversity and, eventually, to ill-health.’"
Anyway, bottom line, eat a variety of foods and exercise regularly to increase bacteria in your gut to help you lose weight and improve your immune system.0 -
He's selling a book called The Diet Myth. Hilarious. Genius. I seriously need to get in on this somehow.
The Conspiracy to Keep You Fat and How to Break Free in 17 Days Without Dieting.
Um, too long
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lilaclovebird wrote: »So the article is basically this genetics expert saying, the bacteria in your gut(or lack thereof) is ONE of the causes for people to put on weight.
That to lose weight it will take more than just calorie restriction. It will take exercise, and eating a wide variety of foods including cheese, alcohol and chocolate to put your body back into balance. Oh and of course, avoid fast food.
For SOME REASON, this guy seems to think that people who go on a calorie monitoring diet only eat CHICKEN and BROCCOLI.
"Dieting can also be dangerous, he adds. ‘The increasing promotion and use of restrictive diets that depend on just a few ingredients will inevitably lead to a further reduction in microbe diversity and, eventually, to ill-health.’"
Anyway, bottom line, eat a variety of foods and exercise regularly to increase bacteria in your gut to help you lose weight and improve your immune system.
This is why when I was in active weight loss I made sure to not just eat at Mcdonalds, but also include Taco Bell, Subway, Burger King and Wendys-just to make sure I wasn't eating only a few ingredients, which could hurt my microbe diversity. Gotta keep that balance you know.
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Sarasmaintaining wrote: »lilaclovebird wrote: »So the article is basically this genetics expert saying, the bacteria in your gut(or lack thereof) is ONE of the causes for people to put on weight.
That to lose weight it will take more than just calorie restriction. It will take exercise, and eating a wide variety of foods including cheese, alcohol and chocolate to put your body back into balance. Oh and of course, avoid fast food.
For SOME REASON, this guy seems to think that people who go on a calorie monitoring diet only eat CHICKEN and BROCCOLI.
"Dieting can also be dangerous, he adds. ‘The increasing promotion and use of restrictive diets that depend on just a few ingredients will inevitably lead to a further reduction in microbe diversity and, eventually, to ill-health.’"
Anyway, bottom line, eat a variety of foods and exercise regularly to increase bacteria in your gut to help you lose weight and improve your immune system.
This is why when I was in active weight loss I made sure to not just eat at Mcdonalds, but also include Taco Bell, Subway, Burger King and Wendys-just to make sure I wasn't eating only a few ingredients, which could hurt my microbe diversity. Gotta keep that balance you know.
Oh yeah! In addition to those I have Whataburger, Chick-fil-A, Jack-in-the-box, and Dairy Queen. Gotta keep the variety in there!0 -
One thing I agree with him. It's not standard that everybody who is overweight eats too many cals, and doesn't do enough exercise. If it was that simple, everybody would be slim :-)0
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lilaclovebird wrote: »So the article is basically this genetics expert saying, the bacteria in your gut(or lack thereof) is ONE of the causes for people to put on weight.
That to lose weight it will take more than just calorie restriction. It will take exercise, and eating a wide variety of foods including cheese, alcohol and chocolate to put your body back into balance. Oh and of course, avoid fast food.
For SOME REASON, this guy seems to think that people who go on a calorie monitoring diet only eat CHICKEN and BROCCOLI.
"Dieting can also be dangerous, he adds. ‘The increasing promotion and use of restrictive diets that depend on just a few ingredients will inevitably lead to a further reduction in microbe diversity and, eventually, to ill-health.’"
Anyway, bottom line, eat a variety of foods and exercise regularly to increase bacteria in your gut to help you lose weight and improve your immune system.
That actually sounds quite reasonable (but for the assumptions about dieters) and not the same as the media coverage.
Can't say I'm shocked. ;-)
Seems similar in some ways to Marion Nestle's warnings that restricting yourself to a narrow range of foods or cutting out foods that seem to have positive correlation with health (like whole grains) may have unintended consequences, as we don't know precisely why various foods have positive effects--it's probably not just the identified micronutrients.
You do get questions here from time to time that are basically: chicken or turkey? kale or spinach? that suggest some think they can identify the "best" few foods and just eat them, or that it would be better to just eat them, which has always stuck me as deeply weird (as someone into variety).0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lilaclovebird wrote: »So the article is basically this genetics expert saying, the bacteria in your gut(or lack thereof) is ONE of the causes for people to put on weight.
That to lose weight it will take more than just calorie restriction. It will take exercise, and eating a wide variety of foods including cheese, alcohol and chocolate to put your body back into balance. Oh and of course, avoid fast food.
For SOME REASON, this guy seems to think that people who go on a calorie monitoring diet only eat CHICKEN and BROCCOLI.
"Dieting can also be dangerous, he adds. ‘The increasing promotion and use of restrictive diets that depend on just a few ingredients will inevitably lead to a further reduction in microbe diversity and, eventually, to ill-health.’"
Anyway, bottom line, eat a variety of foods and exercise regularly to increase bacteria in your gut to help you lose weight and improve your immune system.
That actually sounds quite reasonable (but for the assumptions about dieters) and not the same as the media coverage.
Can't say I'm shocked. ;-)
Seems similar in some ways to Marion Nestle's warnings that restricting yourself to a narrow range of foods or cutting out foods that seem to have positive correlation with health (like whole grains) may have unintended consequences, as we don't know precisely why various foods have positive effects--it's probably not just the identified micronutrients.
You do get questions here from time to time that are basically: chicken or turkey? kale or spinach? that suggest some think they can identify the "best" few foods and just eat them, or that it would be better to just eat them, which has always stuck me as deeply weird (as someone into variety).
EAT THEM ALL! Although, I tend to only put kale in my juicing concoctions.
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So his study had his son eat (looking at the photos provided by the article) what looks like 4000-5000 calories of McDonalds every day for 10 days. Afterwards he was 4 pounds of fat and retained water heavier and of course it's not the fact that it was 4000 calories and tons of sodium, it was that the food came from McDonalds that was the problem.
We should have them have a duel to the death with the guys who did the Twinkie diet and the other guy who ate McDonalds and lost weight.
The victor shall be the one true gospel.0 -
It's hard to criticise what these doctors actually said when all you have to go on is a few lines pulled from what was a books worth of information. That seems to be how our journalists work now, in a bid to desperately draw any advertising profits they can from article clicks.
If a doctor was asked about weight loss and said, "The only way to lose weight is by reducing your calorie intake so that you burn more calories than you consume. You don't need to exercise to lose weight, however this is encouraged to build muscle and keep you healthy. There have also been some studies which show a correlation between the natural bacteria in the gut and peoples weight. Further studies are needed to understand the results. It has been shown however that, while calorie counting is effective for initial weightloss, it is shown to be less effective for continued loss and maintenance over a longer span of years."
From this the media can get so many headlines.
Doctor says "You don't need to exercise to lose weight".
Scientists have found miracle bacteria that will help you shed pounds.
Doctors say counting calories the worst way to diet.
That's how it works. Anything to reel them in.0 -
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Oh, also it's a N=1 "study" of course.0
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