Calorie counting doesn't work according to a new study. Apparently.
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Counting calories is a brilliant way to lose weight initially but can be very hard for some to maintain in the long term. That's why alternative ways to maintain weightloss have to be found for some people after they reach their goal. For others, counting calories works brilliantly over the long term because it fits their nature. I think we can all agree that everyone is different and half the time it's just the struggle of finding what works for you.
I'm not going to dismiss scientific studies outright just because they are badly reported. There could be a range of ways that gut bacteria can help with weightloss that has nothing to do with calories in/calories out side. Such as reducing hunger pangs after meals. There is both the physical and mental factors that are tightly linked with weightloss and gain. Any studies which can help us more clearly understand how our wonderful, complex bodies work are always enlightening and often very helpful.0 -
crazyjerseygirl wrote: »The study of gut flora is new and exciting! I occasionally get to hear talks on it at work, very interesting stuff! Most of what I hear though is how they pertain to autoimmune disorders of the gut.
That said, at this stage in the game, blaming your gut flora for getting you fat is like blaming your skin flora for getting you sunburnt. Sure there might be a connection somewhere, but there is one hell of an outlying factor there that you have control over. I've lost 33lbs so far and plan to lose about 70 through calorie restriction. I exercise as well for added benefits. I don't care how borked up my flora is, if they don't have excess calories, they can't make me fat!
^What she said.
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robbackatya wrote: »Calorie counting alone will not work long term. Most will gain their weight back is a fact. Same success rate as other diets.
To have long term success it has to be more than weighing , measuring and wearing fitbits around or you will gain your weight back.
The interesting thing about bringing up long term success rates - is that evidently nothing works long term. So why even bother - pack up and go home
And to the other gentlemen, I double dog dare you to eat 1500 cals of broccoli a day for a year.
we all die, so don't even bother living life, right?
More like we all die, so seeking advice on how to live forever or definitively telling me why people don't live forever. Well. Remove forever and talk about living a quality life, now that sounds great to me!
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stevencloser wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
I agree. I had equivalent issues and found out through a nutritionist, doctor, and great PTs that the only way to fight these issues is with a good diet first - a nutritional program. Not just eating less than what you expend - there's a real difference there.
CICO, metabolics, dietary formulation (program), and training (program). Wish I followed it when I was in my 20s more. I know I have much to look forward to knowing what I know now.
You can't outrun a bad diet - maybe if you are in your 20s, but try hitting 40 and beyond. CICO just exemplifies the rest. Calories In (what kind of calorie) and Calories Out (what are you doing). That's a loaded monster right there.
Yes I have as I have family with issues and I wanted to help them out...so I did some research.
As for the bolded...nutritionist pft...I can get an online course and get a certificate in a weekend, Doctors receive appx 24 hours of nutritional education through out medical school unless they specialize, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
And PT's well okay but they shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice as they are not RD's.
CICO...that's it...not the kinds of calories....quality is good but quantity is what leads to weight loss/gain.
The person I consulted had a Masters degree from an internationally-accredited university and over 10 years of success. All of them gave out the same advice in the end when you bottom-line it - you can't outrun a bad diet. Eat right and you will succeed - that's the long-term vision and it works. Works for me.
You can't outrun a bad diet. Plain and simple.
You can't outrun a bad diet means that the exercise you do won't burn enough calories to make all the extra calories you stuff into your face disappear.
And it doesn't matter if he's got a master's degree. Unless it's in nutrition he might as well be a plumber when it comes to nutrition.
@tedboosalis7 actually has the correct understanding of that statement.
He doesn't.
The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not. We can't jump from that and conclude that that means that a person can't run enough to overcome a high calorie count. If the runner doesn't simultaneously increase his consumption, he can reduce weight by increasing his running. He may be running more slowly than his competitors because of his bad nutritional choices, but he can overcome his calorie intake.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »
where in my post did I say I ate 1500 calories of cake?????
I was talking about calorie counting ….
Exactly my point. You didn't. That's the point I am making. Did you not see that above. I really really doubt it. You didn't.
But from now on - I want you to eat 1500 calories of cake/day for a year. That's it. You can't have anything else. I want to know what you will look and feel like after one year.
Nobody on here will do it. It's obvious why - if you did - you wouldn't be healthy and fit even with exercise. There would be things going wrong that would uproot your exercise regimen and your health.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
Go eat 1500 calories of nothing but broccoli for a year and then let's compare each other's bloodwork then. Always need a control group. I'd prefer the year of nothing but McDonalds though.
Actually, make that Burgerking, they're closer to where I live.0 -
ShareenaFulton wrote: »Counting calories is a brilliant way to lose weight initially but can be very hard for some to maintain in the long term. That's why alternative ways to maintain weightloss have to be found for some people after they reach their goal. For others, counting calories works brilliantly over the long term because it fits their nature. I think we can all agree that everyone is different and half the time it's just the struggle of finding what works for you.
I'm not going to dismiss scientific studies outright just because they are badly reported. There could be a range of ways that gut bacteria can help with weightloss that has nothing to do with calories in/calories out side. Such as reducing hunger pangs after meals. There is both the physical and mental factors that are tightly linked with weightloss and gain. Any studies which can help us more clearly understand how our wonderful, complex bodies work are always enlightening and often very helpful.
You are my hero/ine!0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Eat 1500 calories of cake for a year and come back and tell us how you really feel. The reason you won't is because you know that can't work. I double dare you.tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Today's word is strawman.
I have the blood work and dropped weight to prove it. It's proven methodology. You are the strawman.
Ted, your bloodwork proves nothing. People who eat the foods you eschew in moderation also have fantastic bloodwork.
I eat a diet comprised mostly of foods that paleo eaters won't eat... dairy and legumes. I also throw in a little treat every night.
When I started on MFP, I had high cholesterol. Simply from losing 38 pounds? I've lowered it into normal range with good ratio.
The bottom line? Losing weight is what improved your blood work.
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Hmm. Calorie Counting doesn't work, huh? Interesting. Try telling that to the 167 pounds no longer residing on my body.
I wish articles wouldn't make dumb@$$ blanket statements like that. Sure there are other factors that can come into play when it comes to a person's health. It doesn't mean it doesn't work! It's articles like that give people such moronic ideas about what it takes to lose weight. And it's articles like this that leave people so confused that they give up before they even start.0 -
"I can't hit my calorie goal. HALP"stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Eat 1500 calories of cake for a year and come back and tell us how you really feel. The reason you won't is because you know that can't work. I double dare you.
and there is the strawman argument….because no one eats a diet of 100% cake...
I'd like to...
honestly, I think that would get boring. I would miss bagels, eggs, bacon, pasta, bread, ice cream, etc.
I can only imagine the threads on mfp. "I cheated today
That lean steak with veggies looked so good..."
"Today I didn't manage to eat my calorie allowance in cake. The fruit I had on the side had me under my goal"
HAHAHAHAHA.
"No no your cakes are too fluffy and airy. Try these dense ones instead, they'll give you more bang for your calorie buck!"
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stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »
where in my post did I say I ate 1500 calories of cake?????
I was talking about calorie counting ….
Exactly my point. You didn't. That's the point I am making. Did you not see that above. I really really doubt it. You didn't.
But from now on - I want you to eat 1500 calories of cake/day for a year. That's it. You can't have anything else. I want to know what you will look and feel like after one year.
Nobody on here will do it. It's obvious why - if you did - you wouldn't be healthy and fit even with exercise. There would be things going wrong that would uproot your exercise regimen and your health.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
Go eat 1500 calories of nothing but broccoli for a year and then let's compare each other's bloodwork then. Always need a control group. I'd prefer the year of nothing but McDonalds though.
Great. So, now we're calling eating nothing but broccoli a good diet?0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Looky at this...a full day at McDonalds within Maitenance, hitting my Macros...and I get ice cream too...Yah. Notice that is 2 wraps cause I get hungry at night...
That's only because it's Canadian McDonalds.
Canadian calories are nicer to your body than American calories.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »
where in my post did I say I ate 1500 calories of cake?????
I was talking about calorie counting ….
Exactly my point. You didn't. That's the point I am making. Did you not see that above. I really really doubt it. You didn't.
But from now on - I want you to eat 1500 calories of cake/day for a year. That's it. You can't have anything else. I want to know what you will look and feel like after one year.
Nobody on here will do it. It's obvious why - if you did - you wouldn't be healthy and fit even with exercise. There would be things going wrong that would uproot your exercise regimen and your health.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
Go eat 1500 calories of nothing but broccoli for a year and then let's compare each other's bloodwork then. Always need a control group. I'd prefer the year of nothing but McDonalds though.
Great. So, now we're calling eating nothing but broccoli a good diet?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Eat 1500 calories of cake for a year and come back and tell us how you really feel. The reason you won't is because you know that can't work. I double dare you.tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Today's word is strawman.
I have the blood work and dropped weight to prove it. It's proven methodology. You are the strawman.
Ted, your bloodwork proves nothing. People who eat the foods you eschew in moderation also have fantastic bloodwork.
I eat a diet comprised mostly of foods that paleo eaters won't eat... dairy and legumes. I also throw in a little treat every night.
When I started on MFP, I had high cholesterol. Simply from losing 38 pounds? I've lowered it into normal range with good ratio.
The bottom line? Losing weight is what improved your blood work.
Exactly, there's been plenty of work done showing that simply losing weight, no matter how, is already going to improve your health, and so does just exercising.0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Looky at this...a full day at McDonalds within Maitenance, hitting my Macros...and I get ice cream too...Yah. Notice that is 2 wraps cause I get hungry at night...
That's only because it's Canadian McDonalds.
Canadian calories are nicer to your body than American calories.
want me split it between US and Canada...I live close enough..I will add in a side of BK too...0 -
cincysweetheart wrote: »Hmm. Calorie Counting doesn't work, huh? Interesting. Try telling that to the 167 pounds no longer residing on my body.
I wish articles wouldn't make dumb@$$ blanket statements like that. Sure there are other factors that can come into play when it comes to a person's health. It doesn't mean it doesn't work! It's articles like that give people such moronic ideas about what it takes to lose weight. And it's articles like this that leave people so confused that they give up before they even start.
This was exactly my point by posting it originally. Despite where the research comes from, people who read the DM (or any other tabloid/media source) still read it and give it credibility because it ultimately came from a 'scientific' study. I would direct those people to these very forums if I could.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »
where in my post did I say I ate 1500 calories of cake?????
I was talking about calorie counting ….
Exactly my point. You didn't. That's the point I am making. Did you not see that above. I really really doubt it. You didn't.
But from now on - I want you to eat 1500 calories of cake/day for a year. That's it. You can't have anything else. I want to know what you will look and feel like after one year.
Nobody on here will do it. It's obvious why - if you did - you wouldn't be healthy and fit even with exercise. There would be things going wrong that would uproot your exercise regimen and your health.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
Go eat 1500 calories of nothing but broccoli for a year and then let's compare each other's bloodwork then. Always need a control group. I'd prefer the year of nothing but McDonalds though.
Great. So, now we're calling eating nothing but broccoli a good diet?
I'd assume so because I never see you people strawmanning us to eat only broccoli for a year or only chicken breast or apples.0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Looky at this...a full day at McDonalds within Maitenance, hitting my Macros...and I get ice cream too...Yah. Notice that is 2 wraps cause I get hungry at night...
That's only because it's Canadian McDonalds.
Canadian calories are nicer to your body than American calories.
want me split it between US and Canada...I live close enough..I will add in a side of BK too...
Actually, for the sake of science I think you should carry out your experiment in Germany.
It's a commonly held belief that German calories are much more efficient. You could carry it out Mythbusters style.0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Looky at this...a full day at McDonalds within Maitenance, hitting my Macros...and I get ice cream too...Yah. Notice that is 2 wraps cause I get hungry at night...
That's only because it's Canadian McDonalds.
Canadian calories are nicer to your body than American calories.
Way nicer a quarter pounder over here (netherlands) is more than 1100
It's actually a quarter pounder blt so add bacon, lettuce and tomato...
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MonsoonStorm wrote: »MonsoonStorm wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Oh Pu, dear Pu. Tell me how my gut bacteria can create energy out of nothing to make me fat when I'm not at a surplus.
Better yet - eat McDonalds ONLY for ONE year. No salads - just their core foods, burgers, fried foods - ONE year - and come back and tell us how you really feel - WITH blood work - before and after. I double dare you.
Looky at this...a full day at McDonalds within Maitenance, hitting my Macros...and I get ice cream too...Yah. Notice that is 2 wraps cause I get hungry at night...
That's only because it's Canadian McDonalds.
Canadian calories are nicer to your body than American calories.
want me split it between US and Canada...I live close enough..I will add in a side of BK too...
Actually, for the sake of science I think you should carry out your experiment in Germany.
It's a commonly held belief that German calories are much more efficient. You could carry it out Mythbusters style.
be there shortly...
PS MFP we need like buttons in the forums....get on that please...maybe for the premium membership?0 -
BTW. I used to rarely if ever go to McDonalds or any kind of fastfood place when I was a kid/teenager (I'm talking once in 2 years or so here). I ate 3 meals a day homemade by my parents. I was also always fat and had all kinds of health problems.
Nowadays I eat some kind of fastfood every week, I also lost over 20 kilos and am healthier than I ever was.0
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