Calorie counting doesn't work according to a new study. Apparently.
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Same as "studies have shown that red wine is bad for your heart" and "studies have shown that red wine is good for your heart".
Different scientist, different method, different outcome.
With regards to this argument, you cant divorce calorie counting and eating a balanced diet. Just counting calories will let you lose weight but you may very well still be unhealthy. just eating a balanced diet is useless for losing weight if you are not eating at a calorie deficit. Exercise alone does not result in weight lose, however combined with a balanced diet at a calorie deficit it will show results.
I've lost 88 lbs in the last 20 months and the combination of exercise, balanced diet and calorie counting is what got me this far.
Oh and my wife has 3 masters degrees in completely unrelated fields therefore I am an expert.0 -
Magic is pretty effective though. Have you ever seen a fat unicorn? I rest my case.0
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Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
Why do you assume that no one actually had done their research and that you are far above the rest of us?
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ShareenaFulton wrote: »Magic is pretty effective though. Have you ever seen a fat unicorn? I rest my case.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »
where in my post did I say I ate 1500 calories of cake?????
I was talking about calorie counting ….
Exactly my point. You didn't. That's the point I am making. Did you not see that above. I really really doubt it. You didn't.
But from now on - I want you to eat 1500 calories of cake/day for a year. That's it. You can't have anything else. I want to know what you will look and feel like after one year.
Nobody on here will do it. It's obvious why - if you did - you wouldn't be healthy and fit even with exercise. There would be things going wrong that would uproot your exercise regimen and your health.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
no one will do it because it is a ridiculous assertion. And I already pointed that I have no desire to eat the same thing every day for a year.
Now, you are just being intentionally obtuse.
Right! For once, I would like someone that actually had an example that actually followed a real diet instead of this... "well if you ate cake all day, blah blah blah, and see how you feel crap".
NO ONE ON THIS FORUM IS THAT DENSE TO BELIEVE A DIET ALL IN SUGAR AND MISSING ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS IS GOOD. HAVING EXAMPLES OF JUST THAT IS NOT ONLY RIDICULOUS BUT IGNORANT.
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SingRunTing wrote: »ShareenaFulton wrote: »Magic is pretty effective though. Have you ever seen a fat unicorn? I rest my case.
OMG!!! That's a pregnant unicorn. How can you not tell the difference?!?!??? That's so insulting!!! You're a horrible person and I'm reporting you to the Magical Animal Mistreatment Society (MAMS for short).
Lol. Love that you found a fat unicorn picture. Might make your internet search history a little weird though. Hope you're not at work.0 -
ShareenaFulton wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »ShareenaFulton wrote: »Magic is pretty effective though. Have you ever seen a fat unicorn? I rest my case.
OMG!!! That's a pregnant unicorn. How can you not tell the difference?!?!??? That's so insulting!!! You're a horrible person and I'm reporting you to the Magical Animal Mistreatment Society (MAMS for short).
Lol. Love that you found a fat unicorn picture. Might make your internet search history a little weird though. Hope you're not at work.
see we need a like button.
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ShareenaFulton wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »ShareenaFulton wrote: »Magic is pretty effective though. Have you ever seen a fat unicorn? I rest my case.
OMG!!! That's a pregnant unicorn. How can you not tell the difference?!?!??? That's so insulting!!! You're a horrible person and I'm reporting you to the Magical Animal Mistreatment Society (MAMS for short).
Lol. Love that you found a fat unicorn picture. Might make your internet search history a little weird though. Hope you're not at work.
You, I like.
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One thing I agree with him. It's not standard that everybody who is overweight eats too many cals, and doesn't do enough exercise. If it was that simple, everybody would be slim :-)
Actually, it is that simple. They eat too many calories FOR THEM, or don't exercise enough to burn what THEY eat. It really IS that simple.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
I agree. I had equivalent issues and found out through a nutritionist, doctor, and great PTs that the only way to fight these issues is with a good diet first - a nutritional program. Not just eating less than what you expend - there's a real difference there.
CICO, metabolics, dietary formulation (program), and training (program). Wish I followed it when I was in my 20s more. I know I have much to look forward to knowing what I know now.
You can't outrun a bad diet - maybe if you are in your 20s, but try hitting 40 and beyond. CICO just exemplifies the rest. Calories In (what kind of calorie) and Calories Out (what are you doing). That's a loaded monster right there.
Yes I have as I have family with issues and I wanted to help them out...so I did some research.
As for the bolded...nutritionist pft...I can get an online course and get a certificate in a weekend, Doctors receive appx 24 hours of nutritional education through out medical school unless they specialize, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
And PT's well okay but they shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice as they are not RD's.
CICO...that's it...not the kinds of calories....quality is good but quantity is what leads to weight loss/gain.
The person I consulted had a Masters degree from an internationally-accredited university and over 10 years of success. All of them gave out the same advice in the end when you bottom-line it - you can't outrun a bad diet. Eat right and you will succeed - that's the long-term vision and it works. Works for me.
You can't outrun a bad diet. Plain and simple.
You can't outrun a bad diet means that the exercise you do won't burn enough calories to make all the extra calories you stuff into your face disappear.
And it doesn't matter if he's got a master's degree. Unless it's in nutrition he might as well be a plumber when it comes to nutrition.
@tedboosalis7 actually has the correct understanding of that statement.
He doesn't.
The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not. We can't jump from that and conclude that that means that a person can't run enough to overcome a high calorie count. If the runner doesn't simultaneously increase his consumption, he can reduce weight by increasing his running. He may be running more slowly than his competitors because of his bad nutritional choices, but he can overcome his calorie intake.
Bro, do you even Michael Phelps?
He is well known for eating crap like pizza, ice cream, pancakes, etc... In fact, in a interview I saw, he regularly eats pizza immediately after a swing to get energy.
So while the average person has to make more nutritionally conscience choices, if you are a proathlete or regularly engage in very high burning activities, you can outrun a bad diet. Heck, when I was in high school, it was a common occurrence for me to eat 3 big macs in one sitting, with a supersized coke. But I was playing ice hockey and soccer simultaneously.
As so called "junk food" goes, pizza is actually pretty healthy. Aside from the fact that they are usually loaded with sodium, pizzas have grains, meat, dairy, and vegetables. Sometimes, they even have fruit. For a person who is exercising and using a lot of sodium, even the large amount of sodium may not be a problem. I think a similar argument could be made for the Big Mac. But both are a little light on vegetables, so other meals should go heavy on fruits and vegetables to balance it out.0 -
I think Professor Spector needs to look harder at cause and effect. He asserts that eating nothing but McDonald's for 10 days caused a change in his son's gut bacteria, which caused him to gain weight. He completely ignores the amount of calories his son was overeating each day, and the amount of sodium he was consuming which were likely the real culprits of the weight gain. The gut bacteria changing was the effect of a poor nutritional diet, but there is nothing to show it was the cause of the weight gain. Keeping a harmony of good bacteria in your digestive system is definitely important to preventing diseases, but there is no evidence in his "study" that shows CICO isn't the only thing that matters for weight loss.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
I agree. I had equivalent issues and found out through a nutritionist, doctor, and great PTs that the only way to fight these issues is with a good diet first - a nutritional program. Not just eating less than what you expend - there's a real difference there.
CICO, metabolics, dietary formulation (program), and training (program). Wish I followed it when I was in my 20s more. I know I have much to look forward to knowing what I know now.
You can't outrun a bad diet - maybe if you are in your 20s, but try hitting 40 and beyond. CICO just exemplifies the rest. Calories In (what kind of calorie) and Calories Out (what are you doing). That's a loaded monster right there.
Yes I have as I have family with issues and I wanted to help them out...so I did some research.
As for the bolded...nutritionist pft...I can get an online course and get a certificate in a weekend, Doctors receive appx 24 hours of nutritional education through out medical school unless they specialize, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
And PT's well okay but they shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice as they are not RD's.
CICO...that's it...not the kinds of calories....quality is good but quantity is what leads to weight loss/gain.
The person I consulted had a Masters degree from an internationally-accredited university and over 10 years of success. All of them gave out the same advice in the end when you bottom-line it - you can't outrun a bad diet. Eat right and you will succeed - that's the long-term vision and it works. Works for me.
You can't outrun a bad diet. Plain and simple.
You can't outrun a bad diet means that the exercise you do won't burn enough calories to make all the extra calories you stuff into your face disappear.
And it doesn't matter if he's got a master's degree. Unless it's in nutrition he might as well be a plumber when it comes to nutrition.
@tedboosalis7 actually has the correct understanding of that statement.
He doesn't.
The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not. We can't jump from that and conclude that that means that a person can't run enough to overcome a high calorie count. If the runner doesn't simultaneously increase his consumption, he can reduce weight by increasing his running. He may be running more slowly than his competitors because of his bad nutritional choices, but he can overcome his calorie intake.
Bro, do you even Michael Phelps?
He is well known for eating crap like pizza, ice cream, pancakes, etc... In fact, in a interview I saw, he regularly eats pizza immediately after a swing to get energy.
So while the average person has to make more nutritionally conscience choices, if you are a proathlete or regularly engage in very high burning activities, you can outrun a bad diet. Heck, when I was in high school, it was a common occurrence for me to eat 3 big macs in one sitting, with a supersized coke. But I was playing ice hockey and soccer simultaneously.
As so called "junk food" goes, pizza is actually pretty healthy. Aside from the fact that they are usually loaded with sodium, pizzas have grains, meat, dairy, and vegetables. Sometimes, they even have fruit. For a person who is exercising and using a lot of sodium, even the large amount of sodium may not be a problem. I think a similar argument could be made for the Big Mac. But both are a little light on vegetables, so other meals should go heavy on fruits and vegetables to balance it out.
You can try to justify it whichever way you want, but typically, people see pizza, mcdonalds (since that was brought up in this thread a billion times), cookies, ice cream, etc... as "junk food.
Personally, I don't label foods as junk or not but rather nutrient dense/not. Know why? Because total diet context is what matters and unfortunately, too many people struggle with that fact.
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robbackatya wrote: »Calorie counting alone will not work long term. Most will gain their weight back is a fact. Same success rate as other diets.
To have long term success it has to be more than weighing , measuring and wearing fitbits around or you will gain your weight back.
Calorie counting alone WILL work long term. Most will gain their weight back because they STOP counting calories and eat whatever they want. Don't blame that on calorie counting. Blame it on people losing their willpower.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
I agree. I had equivalent issues and found out through a nutritionist, doctor, and great PTs that the only way to fight these issues is with a good diet first - a nutritional program. Not just eating less than what you expend - there's a real difference there.
CICO, metabolics, dietary formulation (program), and training (program). Wish I followed it when I was in my 20s more. I know I have much to look forward to knowing what I know now.
You can't outrun a bad diet - maybe if you are in your 20s, but try hitting 40 and beyond. CICO just exemplifies the rest. Calories In (what kind of calorie) and Calories Out (what are you doing). That's a loaded monster right there.
Yes I have as I have family with issues and I wanted to help them out...so I did some research.
As for the bolded...nutritionist pft...I can get an online course and get a certificate in a weekend, Doctors receive appx 24 hours of nutritional education through out medical school unless they specialize, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
And PT's well okay but they shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice as they are not RD's.
CICO...that's it...not the kinds of calories....quality is good but quantity is what leads to weight loss/gain.
The person I consulted had a Masters degree from an internationally-accredited university and over 10 years of success. All of them gave out the same advice in the end when you bottom-line it - you can't outrun a bad diet. Eat right and you will succeed - that's the long-term vision and it works. Works for me.
You can't outrun a bad diet. Plain and simple.
You can't outrun a bad diet means that the exercise you do won't burn enough calories to make all the extra calories you stuff into your face disappear.
And it doesn't matter if he's got a master's degree. Unless it's in nutrition he might as well be a plumber when it comes to nutrition.
@tedboosalis7 actually has the correct understanding of that statement.
He doesn't.
The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not. We can't jump from that and conclude that that means that a person can't run enough to overcome a high calorie count. If the runner doesn't simultaneously increase his consumption, he can reduce weight by increasing his running. He may be running more slowly than his competitors because of his bad nutritional choices, but he can overcome his calorie intake.
Bro, do you even Michael Phelps?
He is well known for eating crap like pizza, ice cream, pancakes, etc... In fact, in a interview I saw, he regularly eats pizza immediately after a swing to get energy.
So while the average person has to make more nutritionally conscience choices, if you are a proathlete or regularly engage in very high burning activities, you can outrun a bad diet. Heck, when I was in high school, it was a common occurrence for me to eat 3 big macs in one sitting, with a supersized coke. But I was playing ice hockey and soccer simultaneously.
As so called "junk food" goes, pizza is actually pretty healthy. Aside from the fact that they are usually loaded with sodium, pizzas have grains, meat, dairy, and vegetables. Sometimes, they even have fruit. For a person who is exercising and using a lot of sodium, even the large amount of sodium may not be a problem. I think a similar argument could be made for the Big Mac. But both are a little light on vegetables, so other meals should go heavy on fruits and vegetables to balance it out.
You can try to justify it whichever way you want, but typically, people see pizza, mcdonalds (since that was brought up in this thread a billion times), cookies, ice cream, etc... as "junk food.
Personally, I don't label foods as junk or not but rather nutrient dense/not. Know why? Because total diet context is what matters and unfortunately, too many people struggle with that fact.
I don't think I'm disagreeing with you.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Once again, negative comments, has anyone done any research on this subject?. Typical.
The title is misleading. Being a person who had severe digestive issues for 6-12 months. I did my research on the subject. Gut health is probably the most critical part for the human body to function properly.
I agree. I had equivalent issues and found out through a nutritionist, doctor, and great PTs that the only way to fight these issues is with a good diet first - a nutritional program. Not just eating less than what you expend - there's a real difference there.
CICO, metabolics, dietary formulation (program), and training (program). Wish I followed it when I was in my 20s more. I know I have much to look forward to knowing what I know now.
You can't outrun a bad diet - maybe if you are in your 20s, but try hitting 40 and beyond. CICO just exemplifies the rest. Calories In (what kind of calorie) and Calories Out (what are you doing). That's a loaded monster right there.
Yes I have as I have family with issues and I wanted to help them out...so I did some research.
As for the bolded...nutritionist pft...I can get an online course and get a certificate in a weekend, Doctors receive appx 24 hours of nutritional education through out medical school unless they specialize, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
And PT's well okay but they shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice as they are not RD's.
CICO...that's it...not the kinds of calories....quality is good but quantity is what leads to weight loss/gain.
The person I consulted had a Masters degree from an internationally-accredited university and over 10 years of success. All of them gave out the same advice in the end when you bottom-line it - you can't outrun a bad diet. Eat right and you will succeed - that's the long-term vision and it works. Works for me.
You can't outrun a bad diet. Plain and simple.
You can't outrun a bad diet means that the exercise you do won't burn enough calories to make all the extra calories you stuff into your face disappear.
And it doesn't matter if he's got a master's degree. Unless it's in nutrition he might as well be a plumber when it comes to nutrition.
@tedboosalis7 actually has the correct understanding of that statement.
He doesn't.
The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not. We can't jump from that and conclude that that means that a person can't run enough to overcome a high calorie count. If the runner doesn't simultaneously increase his consumption, he can reduce weight by increasing his running. He may be running more slowly than his competitors because of his bad nutritional choices, but he can overcome his calorie intake.
Bro, do you even Michael Phelps?
He is well known for eating crap like pizza, ice cream, pancakes, etc... In fact, in a interview I saw, he regularly eats pizza immediately after a swing to get energy.
So while the average person has to make more nutritionally conscience choices, if you are a proathlete or regularly engage in very high burning activities, you can outrun a bad diet. Heck, when I was in high school, it was a common occurrence for me to eat 3 big macs in one sitting, with a supersized coke. But I was playing ice hockey and soccer simultaneously.
YES. I hate that saying. In high school I out swam a bad diet and lost 20 lbs in a few months of swim team, WITHOUT TRYING.0 -
Didn't read the whole thread but...
<---- This N-1 study says it does work...0 -
The media is a troll. Tune out and stop supporting it. The fact that everyone keeps reading/watching/following is why they keep making money doing what they do.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »I don't think I'm disagreeing with you.
Then your statement below...TimothhFish wrote:The statement actually deals with the fact that a runner who is making good nutritional choices will tend to out perform a runner who is not." is false?
... is wrong. You can outrun a "bad" diet. Because people typically think bad = processed foods such as pizza and mcdonalds. There are many factors that affect the performance of one athlete. And as demonstrated by people like Michael Phelps, diet isn't as big of a factor.
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I do believe gut flora is important, but it certainly doesn't cancel out CICO.
I started taking a pro-biotic daily about a month ago. It has made my digestion easier, but it hasn't magically caused me to drop weight when I'm not in a deficit.
I wish it had. But wish in one hand...0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »The media is a troll. Tune out and stop supporting it. The fact that everyone keeps reading/watching/following is why they keep making money doing what they do.
Yeah but my entertainment would have to change to?
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