Ayurvedic nutrition for weight loss (and general sanity)
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There were a number of people on the first page who made statements along the lines of "Just eat at a deficit and you'll lose weight." That's what I'm objecting to - that good or bad nutrition has no impact on weight loss. This is what I mean by "calories are not created equal" - while 100 calories of Oreos has the same potential for energy as 100 calories of broccoli, when burned in the human body (as opposed to in a lab) they do not have equal effects.0
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Some need faith to stick to their calories
Others need science and logic to stick to their calories
Some need a little of both
Doesn't really matter ...we are not that complex biological entities that we need additional rules other than CI<CO for scale weight loss ...it is the strength of our psyche that makes the journey work for us or not ... If that strength comes from a belief in winged, rainbow-furred, unicorn kittens and it doesn't harm others then fine by me. So long as you don't try to convince others that without this they cannot lose weight or be healthy doing it.
If you can easily spare the money and it makes you commit then that's fine by everyone ...I spend money weekly on a PT who I don't need for weight loss or even fitness gains but I enjoy it, it reinforces my commitment and I can afford it ...I don't come on here and say get a PT it's the only way to succeed
Right, and neither did the OP. She said "Has anyone else worked with ayurvedic principles for weightloss?"
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kshama2001 wrote: »Margaret - I didn't get the impression that any of the people crying "Woo!" know anything about Ayerveda other than what they just now gleaned from a quick Google, so factor that in to the weight you give their responses.
And yet this is the hive the op is seeking advice from.
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She said "Has anyone else worked with ayurvedic principles for weightloss?"0
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kshama2001 wrote: »There were a number of people on the first page who made statements along the lines of "Just eat at a deficit and you'll lose weight." That's what I'm objecting to - that good or bad nutrition has no impact on weight loss. This is what I mean by "calories are not created equal" - while 100 calories of Oreos has the same potential for energy as 100 calories of broccoli, when burned in the human body (as opposed to in a lab) they do not have equal effects.
Then be more precise in what you say. "Calories are not created equal" is media-speak, an attempt to get clicks on a web site or magazine sales. It's not a statement with factual support, and it NEVER says what the article it usually headlines goes on to elaborate.
There are other such phrases, like "empty calories" (even "junk" foods have nutrients).
It's one thing for sensationalist-seeking media types to say these things, but on a site like this where knowledge means a better chance of success?
I don't find it very helpful.
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I never say "Calories are not created equal" and stop
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Try replacing it with "foods are not created equal".
Saying "calories are not created equal is just wrong."
A calorie is a calorie.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Some need faith to stick to their calories
Others need science and logic to stick to their calories
Some need a little of both
Doesn't really matter ...we are not that complex biological entities that we need additional rules other than CI<CO for scale weight loss ...it is the strength of our psyche that makes the journey work for us or not ... If that strength comes from a belief in winged, rainbow-furred, unicorn kittens and it doesn't harm others then fine by me. So long as you don't try to convince others that without this they cannot lose weight or be healthy doing it.
If you can easily spare the money and it makes you commit then that's fine by everyone ...I spend money weekly on a PT who I don't need for weight loss or even fitness gains but I enjoy it, it reinforces my commitment and I can afford it ...I don't come on here and say get a PT it's the only way to succeed
Right, and neither did the OP. She said "Has anyone else worked with ayurvedic principles for weightloss?"
Exactly where did I imply that she said anything else?
Look to your own inferences
For example I read that line as snark which is totally on me, if it was just to move the conversation along then I have completely misinterpreted your motives in quoting me0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »There were a number of people on the first page who made statements along the lines of "Just eat at a deficit and you'll lose weight." That's what I'm objecting to - that good or bad nutrition has no impact on weight loss. This is what I mean by "calories are not created equal" - while 100 calories of Oreos has the same potential for energy as 100 calories of broccoli, when burned in the human body (as opposed to in a lab) they do not have equal effects.
Good nutrition is, in my opinion, is great, but it really has nothing to do with weight loss. In other words, you can indeed eat equal calories from a diet of all wholesome foods OR processed foods and you will lose weight as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit. Your body is not going to differentiate and not allow you to lose weight just because you are not eating this special food-restricted diet.
Now, if I am nutritional value, today I am going to choose that cottage cheese mixed with blueberry yogurt topped with fresh raspberries over the Starbuck's flourless cookie. However, keep in mind, that might just be for today. Perhaps tomorrow I will be able to meet my nutritional goals and just have that cookie that love so much. The point is, you can meet your nutritional needs without cutting out foods you love. All it means is making sure you diet is comprised motly of nutritious foods (and some people might see nutritious foods in different ways, but for me that means veggies, fruit, dairy, oats, etc.) that fit YOU, then leave room for the treats.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Try replacing it with "foods are not created equal".
Saying "calories are not created equal is just wrong."
A calorie is a calorie.
Absolutely.
Weight loss = a calorie is a calorie.
Nutrition = banana is different than a steak.
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kshama2001 wrote: »There were a number of people on the first page who made statements along the lines of "Just eat at a deficit and you'll lose weight." That's what I'm objecting to - that good or bad nutrition has no impact on weight loss. This is what I mean by "calories are not created equal" - while 100 calories of Oreos has the same potential for energy as 100 calories of broccoli, when burned in the human body (as opposed to in a lab) they do not have equal effects.
Your objection is irrelevent to the science. Just because you feel different eating 100 calories of oreo doesn't mean a deficiet that includes oreos doesn't work. You could lose weight eating strictly candy bars (though NO ONE would tell you to do that) but you'd be hungry, tired, and not feel that great.
Deficit eating is NOT synonymous with healthful eating. It just helps you to feel full to include more fruits and veggies.0 -
I'm not sure anyone is arguing this CICO stuff...at this point I'm unclear why it got brought up. It's obvious one feels differently if you eat 1500 calories of less nutritionally dense food (ie popcorn, candy bar and soda like I do sometime at the movies) vs 1500 calories of say salmon, brown rice, apples, salad, and some greens? And that food gets digested better and processed better. At least, when I wake up the next morning with a sugar hangover after the movies, that is what I think.0
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margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm not sure anyone is arguing this CICO stuff...at this point I'm unclear why it got brought up. It's obvious one feels differently if you eat 1500 calories of less nutritionally dense food (ie popcorn, candy bar and soda like I do sometime at the movies) vs 1500 calories of say salmon, brown rice, apples, salad, and some greens? And that food gets digested better and processed better. At least, when I wake up the next morning with a sugar hangover after the movies, that is what I think.
Because, you can eat all the healthy food you want and still not lose weight if you don't eat at a calorie deficit.
Calories and food type are not equal when it comes to weight loss.
If you wake up with a sugar hangover, you might have a medical issue. In that case, I suggest visiting your doctor.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm not sure anyone is arguing this CICO stuff...at this point I'm unclear why it got brought up. It's obvious one feels differently if you eat 1500 calories of less nutritionally dense food (ie popcorn, candy bar and soda like I do sometime at the movies) vs 1500 calories of say salmon, brown rice, apples, salad, and some greens? And that food gets digested better and processed better. At least, when I wake up the next morning with a sugar hangover after the movies, that is what I think.
Because, you can eat all the healthy food you want and still not lose weight if you don't eat at a calorie deficit.
Calories and food type are not equal when it comes to weight loss.
If you wake up with a sugar hangover, you might have a medical issue. In that case, I suggest visiting your doctor.
Ha, yes well i feel like i have one sometime!
No, I wasn't talking one vs. the other. I'm talking the same amount of calories.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm not sure anyone is arguing this CICO stuff...at this point I'm unclear why it got brought up. It's obvious one feels differently if you eat 1500 calories of less nutritionally dense food (ie popcorn, candy bar and soda like I do sometime at the movies) vs 1500 calories of say salmon, brown rice, apples, salad, and some greens? And that food gets digested better and processed better. At least, when I wake up the next morning with a sugar hangover after the movies, that is what I think.
Because, you can eat all the healthy food you want and still not lose weight if you don't eat at a calorie deficit.
Calories and food type are not equal when it comes to weight loss.
If you wake up with a sugar hangover, you might have a medical issue. In that case, I suggest visiting your doctor.
Ha, yes well i feel like i have one sometime!
No, I wasn't talking one vs. the other. I'm talking the same amount of calories.
Well, when it comes to weight loss, a calorie is a calorie. Your body won't be mad at you for eating 100 calories of ice cream instead of 100 calorie of kale, and it won't make you gain weight on the ice cream and lose weight on the kale. These foods are nutritionally different, but neither is a good or bad food. It's all about making choices that fit your calorie and nutrition goals, and those goals might be different for everyone.
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Well, when it comes to weight loss, a calorie is a calorie. Your body won't be mad at you for eating 100 calories of ice cream instead of 100 calorie of kale, and it won't make you gain weight on the ice cream and lose weight on the kale. These foods are nutritionally different, but neither is a good or bad food. It's all about making choices that fit your calorie and nutrition goals, and those goals might be different for everyone.
well that is where I definitely disagree. For me at least. And alot of science disagrees with that as well. But let's just agree to disagree.-1 -
Well, since you brought up science, you must know of some studies to back up your position?margaretlb4 wrote: »I said: Well, when it comes to weight loss, a calorie is a calorie. Your body won't be mad at you for eating 100 calories of ice cream instead of 100 calorie of kale, and it won't make you gain weight on the ice cream and lose weight on the kale. These foods are nutritionally different, but neither is a good or bad food. It's all about making choices that fit your calorie and nutrition goals, and those goals might be different for everyone.
You said: well that is where I definitely disagree. For me at least. And alot of science disagrees with that as well. But let's just agree to disagree.
My weight has never been affected from eating100 calories of ice cream instead of 100 calories of kale.
In fact, I lost 44 pounds eating whatever the heck I wanted, and I've been maintaining the same way for well over a year now. I feel grea! This never happened when I was paying attention to food type and not calories in/calorie out, and when I was gaining weight from eating a low fat, sugar free, no dairy diet.
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Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That's not a study, it's an article. But, thank you.
Of course--if you don't feel good eating a lot of ice cream, then you should moderate it to eat the amount where you do feel good. That's what diet and nutrition is all about, moderation and food choices.
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I don't think Ayurvedic techniques are the best method for weight loss or optimal nutrition. I looked into it when one of my friends was trying it, and I was like "well.... no." I feel like it has no more value than homeopathy and suchlike.0
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margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.
The bold sentence above is a generalization and in no way applies to every person. A candy bar can make someone feels as full or more full than an apple or a bowl of spinach. Really, it depends on the person.
But, you are right, a unit of energy is just that and does not distinguish between food type.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.
The bold sentence above is a generalization and in no way applies to every person. A candy bar can make someone feels as full or more full than an apple or a bowl of spinach. Really, it depends on the person.
But, you are right, a unit of energy is just that and does not distinguish between food type.
I would pay to meet someone who could sustain themselves on candy bars and multivitamins without feeling like crap. Agreed about the generalization.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.
The bold sentence above is a generalization and in no way applies to every person. A candy bar can make someone feels as full or more full than an apple or a bowl of spinach. Really, it depends on the person.
But, you are right, a unit of energy is just that and does not distinguish between food type.
I would pay to meet someone who could sustain themselves on candy bars and multivitamins without feeling like crap. Agreed about the generalization.
You're going to extremes. I'm not talking about sustaining oneself on just one type of food, but finding balance and not being afraid to eat that candy bar if it fits their calories or macros.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.
The bold sentence above is a generalization and in no way applies to every person. A candy bar can make someone feels as full or more full than an apple or a bowl of spinach. Really, it depends on the person.
But, you are right, a unit of energy is just that and does not distinguish between food type.
I would pay to meet someone who could sustain themselves on candy bars and multivitamins without feeling like crap. Agreed about the generalization.
You're going to extremes. I'm not talking about sustaining oneself on just one type of food, but finding balance and not being afraid to eat that candy bar if it fits their calories or macros.
I know but I made that as an example a page back or so, to exemplify the whole calories are all the same thing.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Thank you MFP, for reminding me that people are self righteous and close-minded.
I told my fiance that I was surprised at how the tone here is often one of a political discussion board, rather than the positive tone I was expecting. He said people get attached to their beliefs about food just like they do their political beliefs.
However, on this discussion board, the rules are "Do not attack, mock, or otherwise insult others" so feel free to Flag > Report something you think a moderator should review for breaking those rules.
Love you and your bf analysis of why people are so nasty on MFP!
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Actually here's one that came up on a google search. Check out the source:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/emptycalorie-foods-vs-nutrientdense-foods-1350.html
that's great about your weight loss. Believe me I eat my fair share of ice cream. I just don't feel as good when I eat alot of it.
That article just said -exactly- what I said to you. Fruits and veggies help us feel full, eating only candy bars is a bad idea because of how it makes you feel. But it does not change the FACT that a measure of energy does NOT change.
The bold sentence above is a generalization and in no way applies to every person. A candy bar can make someone feels as full or more full than an apple or a bowl of spinach. Really, it depends on the person.
But, you are right, a unit of energy is just that and does not distinguish between food type.
I would pay to meet someone who could sustain themselves on candy bars and multivitamins without feeling like crap. Agreed about the generalization.
I once knew someone who would go on a short term diet (just to lose a couple of pounds) eating 4 chocolate bars a day. She seemed to do fine.
I think a person would live longer on a diet of chocolate bars than just kale if we are talking about extremes though.0 -
My Mum used to brew a pitta tea in the summer (Virginia July=pantpantpantpant) that was supposed to be cooling, didn't taste like much but I was totally impressed by how much it cooled my whole body down... It was like A/C in a glass. She got into Ayruvedic stuff for a awhile. I think the is some value there, many herbs have some value. If it gets you doing yoga and eating healthy then wonderful. My personal opinion: Yoga is the fountain of youth.
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