Ayurvedic nutrition for weight loss (and general sanity)
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kshama2001 wrote: »Margaret - I didn't get the impression that any of the people crying "Woo!" know anything about Ayerveda other than what they just now gleaned from a quick Google, so factor that in to the weight you give their responses.
lol.
Come onto an internet forum, ask a question than just assume most people have no clue what they are talking about and just do what you want.
If we follow your logic that begs the question...why even ask? Do you really think every person that answered has never fallen for similar things and is simply trying to save the OP some time, stress, and money?
Of course not. What was I thinking. We're just mean and negative. :indifferent:0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Margaret - I didn't get the impression that any of the people crying "Woo!" know anything about Ayerveda other than what they just now gleaned from a quick Google, so factor that in to the weight you give their responses.
lol.
Come onto an internet forum, ask a question than just assume most people have no clue what they are talking about and just do what you want.
If we follow your logic that begs the question...why even ask? Do you really think every person that answered has never fallen for similar things and is simply trying to save the OP some time, stress, and money?
Of course not. What was I thinking. We're just mean and negative. :indifferent:
And don't forget cowardly.
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WeddedBliss1992 wrote: »there is a reason it's called "practicing" medicine.
Only God that's hilarious. I think I have to follow up the 'do you even science' with 'do you even English?'-2 -
wanted to post this for anyone on this thread who was interested in ayurvedic cooking. I've really been enjoying the days I've been trying, though the increased fiber (ie less processed foods) has been a little hard on my stomach. Hope this is helpful to some of you as well. As for me, I'm heading to the library!
from @Ang108
When I lived and worked in Western Bengal supervising a refugee camp of people from Tibet and Nepal I had to study Ayur Vedic methods/diet to be able to understand the culture and have ever since stuck to many of the rules and continued my studies even after coming to Mexico. If you are interested I can highly recommend the books of Maya Tiwari. Especially " The Path of Practice - A Woman's book of healing with food, breath and sound " to start with. I also highly recommend a cookbook called: " Heaven's Banquet " with about 700 international ayurvedic recipes according to doshas by Miriam Kosin Hospodor. It is the Maharishi Ayur Vedic cook book.....and no, I am not a follower and the book is good.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm talking about tone. It's not how I like to treat people, even when i don't agree with them. There's a nicer way to say things.
I also think that all calories are not created equal. 500 calories of kool aid do not make your stomach feel the same as 500 calories of healthier things.
Agreed and agreed. But there are quite a few people here who think all calories are created equal, so expect a lot of push back.
No. Just stop. A calorie is not a measure of the nutrient content of food.
A calorie is the measure of the energy it provides you with.
A unit of energy is a unit of energy.
The nutrition various foods provide? No one argues they are the same.
But people who state "all calories are not the same"? Are simply stating something false.
Words have meaning. If you mean that certain foods are more nutritious than others, then say THAT.
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myfelinepal wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »"Ayurveda is a 5,000-year-old system of natural healing that has its origins in the Vedic culture of India. Although suppressed during years of foreign occupation, Ayurveda has been enjoying a major resurgence in both its native land and throughout the world."
Predates Dr. Oz by quite a bit.
But citrus fruits are from Australia and wouldn't have existed in India 5000 years ago so can you explain why they are recommended by the OPs guru?
Here is an interesting read on the history of citrus...
http://websites.lib.ucr.edu/agnic/webber/Vol1/Chapter1.htm
Seems as if the first known citrus was the citron...310BC in Europe.
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kshama2001 wrote: »History and Development of the Citrus Industry
...First Citrus Fruit to Reach Europe.—The citron (Citrus medica L.) was the first citrus fruit to come to the notice of Europeans and was for many years the only one known. It first attracted attention in Media, where it was then supposed to be indigenous. Apparently it soon spread into Persia, where it came to the attention of the Hebrews and the Greeks. Although it is not now considered to be indigenous to Media, the steps by which it was first brought there from its native habitat in India or Indo-China are not known.
...Orange Introduced into Australia in 1788.—Citrus was first planted in New South Wales by the colonists of the First Fleet under Captain Arthur Phillip, who sailed for Australia in 1787 with instructions to introduce plants and seeds at his discretion (Bowman, 1955). At Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, where the expedition stopped for one month, the colonists purchased orange, lime, and lemon trees. On arrival at Port Jackson on January 26, 1788, the first work performed was the planting of the seeds and plants obtained in the voyage from England. According to Bowman (1955), oranges, limes and lemons were flourishing at the end of the first year of settlement.
You beat me to it...
If we read the same article...it was interesting. I think we have this tendency to forget that many foods were not native at one time to the countries that now have some of the largest crops.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm talking about tone. It's not how I like to treat people, even when i don't agree with them. There's a nicer way to say things.
I also think that all calories are not created equal. 500 calories of kool aid do not make your stomach feel the same as 500 calories of healthier things.
Agreed and agreed. But there are quite a few people here who think all calories are created equal, so expect a lot of push back.
No. Just stop. A calorie is not a measure of the nutrient content of food.
A calorie is the measure of the energy it provides you with.
A unit of energy is a unit of energy.
The nutrition various foods provide? No one argues they are the same.
But people who state "all calories are not the same"? Are simply stating something false.
Words have meaning. If you mean that certain foods are more nutritious than others, then say THAT.
Of course, agreed.
But if you read back on the thread (not that you have the time, it's a long thread!) then you will see that that is not what was being argued, I don't believe.
When it gets semantic like that - like when people say you will lose weight if you just reduce calories, then the unit of energy vs. nutritional value seems to get lost.0 -
I have already outlived the average woman from ancient India and ancient China. Therefore, I hardly feel I am a candidate for Ayurvedic medicine or ancient Chinese medicine.0
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to OP,
i choose to ignore the negatives and wanted you to know that thanks to you, i found books at the library and have done research...LOVE the info i am finding, especially in regards to ayurveda and depression. i have BPD so anytime i can find alternatives to add to my meds, i am intrigued. i love the mind - body - spirit connectivity they describe in this one book i have checked out. i really dont understand why anyone chooses to say hurtful or negative things about something that someone else might find helpful. anyway, thank you for introducing me to this concept. 0 -
WeddedBliss1992 wrote: »there is a reason it's called "practicing" medicine.
Only God that's hilarious. I think I have to follow up the 'do you even science' with 'do you even English?'
what does
"Only God that's hilarious" mean?
do YOU English?
my point was that sometimes western drs dont know everything and this ayurveda information has been a breath of fresh air to me.0 -
Why do you believe people are self-righteous and closed-minded just because they say it's woo?margaretlb4 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »I had to stop at "sip lemon water throughout the day."
If I went any further, I'd probably go on a rampage.
Thank you MFP, for reminding me that people are self righteous and close-minded.
I hesitate to even bother writing anything but all calories are not created equal and there are plenty of things to do with digestion that aren't related to calories in and out.
Well, it IS woo.
All calories are created equal as to weight loss, though for nutritional needs they are not.
The bottom line to lose weight is that you need to only eat at a calorie deficit, how you get there is individual. In other words, this Ayurvedic nutrition plan is not magic and has no special properties, it's just a plan that helps those who lose weight on it stick to a calorie deficit. That's the most important thing.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »I had to stop at "sip lemon water throughout the day."
If I went any further, I'd probably go on a rampage.
Thank you MFP, for reminding me that people are self righteous and close-minded.
I hesitate to even bother writing anything but all calories are not created equal and there are plenty of things to do with digestion that aren't related to calories in and out.
Why even ask about it when it is evident you've already drunk the kool aid? Sorry..the lemon water?
Seriously. What they said has meaning. Doesn't mean they are self-righteous and close-minded. If anything, that's how you are coming off.
I'm talking about tone. It's not how I like to treat people, even when i don't agree with them. There's a nicer way to say things.
I also think that all calories are not created equal. 500 calories of kool aid do not make your stomach feel the same as 500 calories of healthier things.
And you are right, I probably should have used "self-righteous and close-minded. That is stooping.
As to the bold statement: that depends on the person. I personally would rather eat my calories than drink them.
What are "healthier things"?
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@margaretib4 I have been watching a show featuring ayurveda practices, and its quite facinating, and informative. (google Yogi Cameron)
There is alot of truth to the fact that people react differently to different types of food. That there is a plan that addresses those differences seems to make alot of sense. That ayurveda treats not just the symtoms of diseases in the body, but the body as a whole makes sense to me as well. Look up the program, "Yogi Cameron~The Model Guru".0 -
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Iron_Feline wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »Has anyone else worked with ayurvedic principles for weightloss? I am beginning to work with an ayurvedic nutritionist through an app called "Vida" - so far I'm really enjoying it. The main simple instruction she has given me is to think about ways to slow down in my life and also to sip lemon water throughout the day. She also has given me a digestive lassi recipe that i'm keen to try. And - and this is startling - she has looked at my diary for my last 8 or so pounds of weight loss and said that I might not be one of these people who DOESN'T need high protein for weight loss.
It also may depend on the week of my period. So this is interesting and without going nuts about it, I'm going to try and see what I should eat for the 1st through 4th weeks of my period (more or less protein that my body may crave...etc) and see what happens. Very curious to see if this helps. It sure makes sense when she talks about it, just paying attention intuitively to what your body wants....we'll see if it wants french fries.
That double negative is confusing the crap out of me. So do you or don't you need high protein?
Also no one needs high protein for weight loss - they just need a calorie deficit. High protein combined with resistance work can help maintain muscle mass so you lose more fat then muscle during your weight loss, and some people find it more satisfying.
I need to get in on this web consultancy game - $99 for some web chats, excellent.
Have to come up with a fancy name and make up rules that sound interesting enough to people to make them part with their money.
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@flyingtanuki ok ok I know he sounds hokey, but just like most television, I weed out the items that seem too ZEN to me, and collect whats left. I can be open-minded in realizing that the medical community doesn't have ALL the answers now.. :-)0
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I'm going to toe the line here. While I don't have a problem with you choosing this eating style, I have to admit I've done it on my own for free just by researching and googling for recipes to match. While I'm far from any kind of spiritual belief, or even that we have souls, if it makes you feel better and keeps your deficiet intact, well... Good for you. I do Keto. Keto eating style isn't for everyone. If you can stick to it, and don't mind spending the money to talk to that lady, good on ya.0
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I am deeply interested in Ayurvedic medicine, and have seen a practitioner face-to-face. It's an incredibly interesting science. There are Ayurvedic doctors in India who go through over 5 years of medical school to be trained in it. Even though I have personally trained in western medicine, I have presented on alternative medicine topics, and many of the herbs recommended in Ayurveda have evidence-basis. I think you should give the diet a try. You won't likely get much support from this forum, as most people here are completely ignorant about Ayurveda with little personal experience and probably haven't done much review of the literature either, but I don't think that should deter you. You can give it a shot, and if it works for you, great.... if not, then not much lost.0
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I am deeply interested in Ayurvedic medicine, and have seen a practitioner face-to-face. It's an incredibly interesting science. There are Ayurvedic doctors in India who go through over 5 years of medical school to be trained in it. Even though I have personally trained in western medicine, I have presented on alternative medicine topics, and many of the herbs recommended in Ayurveda have evidence-basis. I think you should give the diet a try. You won't likely get much support from this forum, as most people here are completely ignorant about Ayurveda with little personal experience and probably haven't done much review of the literature either, but I don't think that should deter you. You can give it a shot, and if it works for you, great.... if not, then not much lost.
You know, I don't get the impression that it's the practice of Ayurveda that people are against, but the assertion that eating the Ayurveda "diet plan" is the way to weight loss. I certainly support people's different spiritual programs, but I do not support people when they try to promote a certain type of diet as if it is the magic wand to weight loss.
You lose weight on any diet plan only if you eat less calories than you burn.
You can do the Ayurveda diet plan and not lose any weight at all if you don't eat at a calorie deficit.
I am for any plan that promotes moderation and learning how to make nutritious food choices without demonizing food. In other words, for some people having that bowl of ice cream at the end of the day is nutritious because they otherwise hit their macros during the day.
Just because people here don't agree with this diet plan, don't assume they are ignorant and don't know anything about it I have looked up this Ayurveda diet plan, and it is based in strict food-type restriction. To me, this is the same as demonizing food, and that's why I say it's woo and don't support it.
Losing weight and keeping it off is about taking the foods you love and learning moderation.0 -
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WeddedBliss1992 wrote: »WeddedBliss1992 wrote: »there is a reason it's called "practicing" medicine.
Only God that's hilarious. I think I have to follow up the 'do you even science' with 'do you even English?'
what does
"Only God that's hilarious" mean?
do YOU English?
my point was that sometimes western drs dont know everything and this ayurveda information has been a breath of fresh air to me.
Haha, ironic autocorrect typo (obviously I typo-ed ohmy which was autocorrected to only)
Yep, all kinds of Drs can be wrong, I agree. If that's what you meant, then just say that. It's not called practicing medicine for that reason though.0 -
Some need faith to stick to their calories
Others need science and logic to stick to their calories
Some need a little of both
Doesn't really matter ...we are not that complex biological entities that we need additional rules other than CI<CO for scale weight loss ...it is the strength of our psyche that makes the journey work for us or not ... If that strength comes from a belief in winged, rainbow-furred, unicorn kittens and it doesn't harm others then fine by me. So long as you don't try to convince others that without this they cannot lose weight or be healthy doing it.
If you can easily spare the money and it makes you commit then that's fine by everyone ...I spend money weekly on a PT who I don't need for weight loss or even fitness gains but I enjoy it, it reinforces my commitment and I can afford it ...I don't come on here and say get a PT it's the only way to succeed
I would like a winged, rainbow-furred, unicorn kitten though...if only to confuse the feck out of dog :bigsmile:
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I am deeply interested in Ayurvedic medicine, and have seen a practitioner face-to-face. It's an incredibly interesting science. There are Ayurvedic doctors in India who go through over 5 years of medical school to be trained in it. Even though I have personally trained in western medicine, I have presented on alternative medicine topics, and many of the herbs recommended in Ayurveda have evidence-basis. I think you should give the diet a try. You won't likely get much support from this forum, as most people here are completely ignorant about Ayurveda with little personal experience and probably haven't done much review of the literature either, but I don't think that should deter you. You can give it a shot, and if it works for you, great.... if not, then not much lost.
I recently started seeing a new doctor. From what I recall, he's ivy-league educated (I've only been in his office once, I just seem to remember his degree was ivy) and he also advises on ayurvedic principles (or whatever it's called, ayurvedic medicine? I don't know. I've eaten ayurvedic food at a restaurant here, but not done the medicine/healing bit). He does not make that a part of his routine practice, but any patient who would like advisement in it can ask. I thought it was pretty interesting that he does so.
Anyway, I think healing comes in many forms, and food can be healing in a sense. While OP initially said something about ayurvedic food and weight loss (and her title says weight loss), I think she later clarified that she understands it's CICO, she's just looking at ayruvedic food principles as a way to help her with how she feels physically, and maybe to see if it will help her with intuitive eating? OP, nothing wrong with experimenting and experiencing things, so long as it's mostly safe.0 -
There are a lot of Jewish doctors. Most of them don't advise patients to eat kosher in order to be healthy, though. Even if they themselves keep kosher for religious reasons.
It's fine to have faith or beliefs. Just, let's not tangle them up with science, is all.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »"Ayurveda is a 5,000-year-old system of natural healing that has its origins in the Vedic culture of India. Although suppressed during years of foreign occupation, Ayurveda has been enjoying a major resurgence in both its native land and throughout the world."
Predates Dr. Oz by quite a bit.
Slavery is many thousands of years old.
Must be good, by ^that logic.
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I am deeply interested in Ayurvedic medicine, and have seen a practitioner face-to-face. It's an incredibly interesting science. There are Ayurvedic doctors in India who go through over 5 years of medical school to be trained in it. Even though I have personally trained in western medicine, I have presented on alternative medicine topics, and many of the herbs recommended in Ayurveda have evidence-basis. I think you should give the diet a try. You won't likely get much support from this forum, as most people here are completely ignorant about Ayurveda with little personal experience and probably haven't done much review of the literature either, but I don't think that should deter you. You can give it a shot, and if it works for you, great.... if not, then not much lost.
I recently started seeing a new doctor. From what I recall, he's ivy-league educated (I've only been in his office once, I just seem to remember his degree was ivy) and he also advises on ayurvedic principles (or whatever it's called, ayurvedic medicine? I don't know. I've eaten ayurvedic food at a restaurant here, but not done the medicine/healing bit). He does not make that a part of his routine practice, but any patient who would like advisement in it can ask. I thought it was pretty interesting that he does so.
Anyway, I think healing comes in many forms, and food can be healing in a sense. While OP initially said something about ayurvedic food and weight loss (and her title says weight loss), I think she later clarified that she understands it's CICO, she's just looking at ayruvedic food principles as a way to help her with how she feels physically, and maybe to see if it will help her with intuitive eating? OP, nothing wrong with experimenting and experiencing things, so long as it's mostly safe.
Just to clarify my original post since alot of people who have commented since haven't (understandably) had time to read the whole thing.
1) I was enthusiastic about exploring ayurveda bc it seems to make sense for my body and thought it was something worth exploring and sharing. Though this was not in the original post but in the following thread I was a competitive swimmer for years and worked with nutritionists that worked with the teams I was on, so I know something or another about nutrition and what works for my body. I'm not trying to push this on anyone else, was just posting my questions and thoughts. I don't think anyone on this thread (and I've read all of it) is trying to push some kind of ayurvedic faith or belief system on anyone. I dislike anything like that, I'm just getting curious about what works for my body.
2) I have digestive issues from a very stressful job, and I'm interested in ayurveda because of this. I have about seven pounds left to lose and I've been at that plateau (Around 5-10 pounds to lose) for awhile, and thought either carb cycling or some kind of lifestyle change (in this case some ayurvedic principles including slowing down my lifestyle) might be useful to get the last few pounds off. I'm fit already, and this last bit is the hardest, it seems for me.
3) I totally get CICO, and i never even brought this up but some other folks did. I know that to loose weight you have to be at a calorie deficit, but I just don't think that nothing else contributes to weight loss. High glycemic index foods for me make it harder to lose, whole foods make it easier. Ayurvedic principles are all about whole foods. And I like trying new recipes.
Hope that is helpful. Thanks for everyone who commented, this has been an interesting thread!
Margaret
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mamapeach910 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm talking about tone. It's not how I like to treat people, even when i don't agree with them. There's a nicer way to say things.
I also think that all calories are not created equal. 500 calories of kool aid do not make your stomach feel the same as 500 calories of healthier things.
Agreed and agreed. But there are quite a few people here who think all calories are created equal, so expect a lot of push back.
No. Just stop. A calorie is not a measure of the nutrient content of food.
A calorie is the measure of the energy it provides you with.
A unit of energy is a unit of energy.
The nutrition various foods provide? No one argues they are the same.
But people who state "all calories are not the same"? Are simply stating something false.
Words have meaning. If you mean that certain foods are more nutritious than others, then say THAT.I am deeply interested in Ayurvedic medicine, and have seen a practitioner face-to-face. It's an incredibly interesting science. There are Ayurvedic doctors in India who go through over 5 years of medical school to be trained in it. Even though I have personally trained in western medicine, I have presented on alternative medicine topics, and many of the herbs recommended in Ayurveda have evidence-basis. I think you should give the diet a try. You won't likely get much support from this forum, as most people here are completely ignorant about Ayurveda with little personal experience and probably haven't done much review of the literature either, but I don't think that should deter you. You can give it a shot, and if it works for you, great.... if not, then not much lost.
I recently started seeing a new doctor. From what I recall, he's ivy-league educated (I've only been in his office once, I just seem to remember his degree was ivy) and he also advises on ayurvedic principles (or whatever it's called, ayurvedic medicine? I don't know. I've eaten ayurvedic food at a restaurant here, but not done the medicine/healing bit). He does not make that a part of his routine practice, but any patient who would like advisement in it can ask. I thought it was pretty interesting that he does so.
Anyway, I think healing comes in many forms, and food can be healing in a sense. While OP initially said something about ayurvedic food and weight loss (and her title says weight loss), I think she later clarified that she understands it's CICO, she's just looking at ayruvedic food principles as a way to help her with how she feels physically, and maybe to see if it will help her with intuitive eating? OP, nothing wrong with experimenting and experiencing things, so long as it's mostly safe.
I am going on 70 and for the last 40 years I have lived in 16 different non-European/non American countries because of my work ( Humanitarian Aid ). I have never been obese until in my late 50's, but have been several times overweight and needed to lose anywhere from 5-15 kilos ( 11- 35 pounds ). I have found that weight loss was easier for me in some countries than in others.
Originally I am from Germany where when I was younger we all ate meat and potatoes. I found that eating 1500 calories of that diet caused me to lose weight slower than for example 1500 calories of the typical Japanese diet.
I believe in CICO, but still always wondered why that was and still is.
I now live in Mexico and if I want to lose weight at more than my .5 pound a week rate, I eat Asian or Mediterranian food ( cooked according to some of the Ayurvedic principles ) Maybe it is psychological, who knows , but it helps me to lose and feel fine with my diet, which is a great help in sustainability.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I'm talking about tone. It's not how I like to treat people, even when i don't agree with them. There's a nicer way to say things.
I also think that all calories are not created equal. 500 calories of kool aid do not make your stomach feel the same as 500 calories of healthier things.
Agreed and agreed. But there are quite a few people here who think all calories are created equal, so expect a lot of push back.
No. Just stop. A calorie is not a measure of the nutrient content of food.
A calorie is the measure of the energy it provides you with.
A unit of energy is a unit of energy.
The nutrition various foods provide? No one argues they are the same.
But people who state "all calories are not the same"? Are simply stating something false.
Words have meaning. If you mean that certain foods are more nutritious than others, then say THAT.
Can I give you a tip of the hat and a hearty handshake for that post? I cringe every time someone chimes "Calories are not created equal". Yes, they are! They are a measurement unit created by people, they are equal *by design*!
Nutrition is not equal, nobody argues with that. But if there was any real evidence for doshas and humans could be separated medically and nutritionally in just three types, scientific medicine would celebrate and totally accept that, they would throw a banquet, and some researchers would be the happy recipients of a Nobel prize for it by now.
While there may be a grain of truth and useful practice in ancient medicine teachings, these were essentially ancient peoples' attempts to rationalize the few true things they found out about health through a lot of imagination, conceptualization and symbolism so it fitted with their general worldview at the time, i.e. They mixed one part practical knowledge with nine parts BS. Science is actively looking into many of those, a lot of our medicines are derived from medicinal plants people used for ages, it's not like there is that great big conspiracy against ancient knowledge. It's just that so little of ancient knowledge *is* knowledge and so much is fiction. You don't have to swallow it hook, line and sinker...0 -
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