No Sugar Diet
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elcollins24 wrote: »I am somommy2TandN wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »I cut out all gluten and dairy almost a year ago due to medical reasons. It helped reduce my cholesterol a lot, as well as fix a bunch of other problems I was having. However, my glucose was still high and my bloodwork still shows increasing inflamation. So my doctor recently recommended I cut out most sugars as well. She suggested I read " Sugar Impact Diet" by JJ Virgin. I'm only on day 2 of it, but so far, it's good. I'm a huge sugar addict and I'm not even missing it yet. So it you really need to reduce sugars, it may be worth looking into.
http://www.amazon.ca/JJ-Virgins-Sugar-Impact-Diet/dp/1455577847
"Drop 7 Hidden Sugars, Lose Up to 10 Pounds in Just 2 Weeks"
I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS.
Anything that says "Lose XX lbs in x weeks!" is always pure *kitten* and is just trying to sell you their product to make more money.
I wouldn't be surprised if your doctor is on consignment.
I am not a fan of the author's push about losing weight quickly, either. And my reason for doing the diet is much more about getting my glucose down than it is losing weight. I have a lot of diabetes in my family, with both grandparents on my dad's side dying of heartacks in their 40's. I'm certain they had undiagnosed diabetes, based on my memories of them and the symptoms they showed. And diabetes does lead to increased risk of heart attacks. And I had gestational diabetes about 14 years ago. I'm in my early 40's now. So anything I can do to get out of the pre-diabetes range is good. My doctor actually recommended this book to me because another of her patients started following the diet on her own and had great success. She isn't making any money off this book. They sell some health books (including cookbooks) at the doctor's office and this isn't even available there. The original poster asked for diet plans to follow that limit sugar, and although this one doesn't get rid of all sugar, it does limit them in a way that doesn't cause as much withdrawal.
Um. You really, really need a new doctor. One who has a clue about nutrition.
Absolutely not. I've been seeing this doctor for almost a year now and she has managed to lower my bad cholesterol, increase my good cholesterol, lower my blood pressure, increase my vitamin D and iron, and for the first time in my life, I can go out without worrying about needing a bathroom nearby. And she's done this all primarily with diet changes. I started seeing her because my last doctor just kept giving me more meds. The last straw was when that doctor prescribed a statin for me and insisted I continue taking it even when it caused me extreme muscle soreness. I stopped taking that statin and switched doctors. Now my cholesterol is at the low end of normal. The proof is in the pudding. I'm keeping my doctor.
I am surprised by how much negativity is on these boards. Yesterday was my first time checking them out. I saw this no sugar post and wanted to see if others were trying to reduce sugar, too, thinking it would be nice to connect with others in the same boat. Then I commented on the diet plan my doctor has me on because that's what the original poster asked for. I have tried just monitoring my food intake for years, using MFP to log everthing I ate, and while I lost some weight, I still had numerous medical issues. I doubt that I am alone in this. Criticizing people because something different works for them is NOT supportive. What works for one person doesn't always work for others.
I am so with u on this one. I feel like one of the only people on mfp that doesnt believe they know everything. I know what works for me but i'm happy to let others crack on with whatever works for them. Theres way too much negativity and way too much condescension! None of us are perfect or we wouldnt be here. This is a free place to discuss ideas...
Let's discuss ideas and facts. The entire avoid gluten rage is countered by the fact that the science supports that there is no need for those not suffering from Celiac's to avoid it ... the sugar is the devil crowd tries to claim that the same chemical compound, processed identically within the body, has differing impacts based on its source; sugar from an orange is fine but the same sugar from Pixie Stix is somehow evil. Reading through the list of medical issues attributed to sugar in this thread is hysterical once you look at the sources of those rants ... it's even funnier when the links people cite counter their claims.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »elcollins24 wrote: »I am somommy2TandN wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »I cut out all gluten and dairy almost a year ago due to medical reasons. It helped reduce my cholesterol a lot, as well as fix a bunch of other problems I was having. However, my glucose was still high and my bloodwork still shows increasing inflamation. So my doctor recently recommended I cut out most sugars as well. She suggested I read " Sugar Impact Diet" by JJ Virgin. I'm only on day 2 of it, but so far, it's good. I'm a huge sugar addict and I'm not even missing it yet. So it you really need to reduce sugars, it may be worth looking into.
http://www.amazon.ca/JJ-Virgins-Sugar-Impact-Diet/dp/1455577847
"Drop 7 Hidden Sugars, Lose Up to 10 Pounds in Just 2 Weeks"
I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS.
Anything that says "Lose XX lbs in x weeks!" is always pure *kitten* and is just trying to sell you their product to make more money.
I wouldn't be surprised if your doctor is on consignment.
I am not a fan of the author's push about losing weight quickly, either. And my reason for doing the diet is much more about getting my glucose down than it is losing weight. I have a lot of diabetes in my family, with both grandparents on my dad's side dying of heartacks in their 40's. I'm certain they had undiagnosed diabetes, based on my memories of them and the symptoms they showed. And diabetes does lead to increased risk of heart attacks. And I had gestational diabetes about 14 years ago. I'm in my early 40's now. So anything I can do to get out of the pre-diabetes range is good. My doctor actually recommended this book to me because another of her patients started following the diet on her own and had great success. She isn't making any money off this book. They sell some health books (including cookbooks) at the doctor's office and this isn't even available there. The original poster asked for diet plans to follow that limit sugar, and although this one doesn't get rid of all sugar, it does limit them in a way that doesn't cause as much withdrawal.
Um. You really, really need a new doctor. One who has a clue about nutrition.
Absolutely not. I've been seeing this doctor for almost a year now and she has managed to lower my bad cholesterol, increase my good cholesterol, lower my blood pressure, increase my vitamin D and iron, and for the first time in my life, I can go out without worrying about needing a bathroom nearby. And she's done this all primarily with diet changes. I started seeing her because my last doctor just kept giving me more meds. The last straw was when that doctor prescribed a statin for me and insisted I continue taking it even when it caused me extreme muscle soreness. I stopped taking that statin and switched doctors. Now my cholesterol is at the low end of normal. The proof is in the pudding. I'm keeping my doctor.
I am surprised by how much negativity is on these boards. Yesterday was my first time checking them out. I saw this no sugar post and wanted to see if others were trying to reduce sugar, too, thinking it would be nice to connect with others in the same boat. Then I commented on the diet plan my doctor has me on because that's what the original poster asked for. I have tried just monitoring my food intake for years, using MFP to log everthing I ate, and while I lost some weight, I still had numerous medical issues. I doubt that I am alone in this. Criticizing people because something different works for them is NOT supportive. What works for one person doesn't always work for others.
I am so with u on this one. I feel like one of the only people on mfp that doesnt believe they know everything. I know what works for me but i'm happy to let others crack on with whatever works for them. Theres way too much negativity and way too much condescension! None of us are perfect or we wouldnt be here. This is a free place to discuss ideas...
Let's discuss ideas and facts. The entire avoid gluten rage is countered by the fact that the science supports that there is no need for those not suffering from Celiac's to avoid it ... the sugar is the devil crowd tries to claim that the same chemical compound, processed identically within the body, has differing impacts based on its source; sugar from an orange is fine but the same sugar from Pixie Stix is somehow evil. Reading through the list of medical issues attributed to sugar in this thread is hysterical once you look at the sources of those rants ... it's even funnier when the links people cite counter their claims.
Were you in hysterics yeah?
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asflatasapancake wrote: »
Probably because some people lack the motivation and willpower to moderate their food intake. Having extreme rules about what they should and should not eat takes the decision making out of the equation for them therefore helping with compliance. The catch is, eventually your body's cravings will win that battle if you abstain for long enough and that usually leads to a binge, guilt and failure...I really don't know why people insist on making this harder than it needs to be. Life is filled with opportunities to eat cake and cookies. Finding a way to enjoy them in moderation seems like the obvious path to long term success to me.
That's fair, I just wish more people would acknowledge that rather than blaming the food group. Sugar didn't make you fat. Too much sugar didn't even make you fat. Too many calories made you fat.
I think we all know who is at fault here. Katie Couric. And the Dutch.asflatasapancake wrote: »
Probably because some people lack the motivation and willpower to moderate their food intake. Having extreme rules about what they should and should not eat takes the decision making out of the equation for them therefore helping with compliance. The catch is, eventually your body's cravings will win that battle if you abstain for long enough and that usually leads to a binge, guilt and failure...I really don't know why people insist on making this harder than it needs to be. Life is filled with opportunities to eat cake and cookies. Finding a way to enjoy them in moderation seems like the obvious path to long term success to me.
That's fair, I just wish more people would acknowledge that rather than blaming the food group. Sugar didn't make you fat. Too much sugar didn't even make you fat. Too many calories made you fat.
I think we all know who is at fault here. Katie Couric. And the Dutch.
How did the Dutch get pulled into this? I'm fine with it, I just need to know if I need to burn all my orange clothes.
All those Dutch are pretty sneaky and aren't to be trusted. And Katie Couric just flat out smells.
Totally joking, just in case you haven't caught it yet.
I agree, the Dutch are always sneaking in all those extra vowels into words, it is really annoying.
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To answer the original question, both I and my father have tried cutting out added sugar and sugary food e.g. breakfast cereals, jam, condiments like ketchup, shop-bought pasta sauce etc., out of our diets in the recent past (1-2 years ago).
Some background info: me - late 30's, my father - late 70's. Both of us already had fairly good diets in terms of eating in moderation - I was eating at a small deficit as I wanted to drop a few pounds, and my father has always watched what he ate due to (genetic) high cholesterol. Otherwise he is and always has been very slim. For both of us, cutting out added sugar was more like an experiment to see if anything positive would happen. Well, if you believe what you read on the internet, and you shouldn't, it can have miraculous effects.
My experience after 3 months:
Weight loss - steady (but I maintained the same deficit throughout so not a surprise)
Increased energy - nope
Better sleep - nope
Clearer skin - nope
More mentally alert/ better powers of concentration - nope
My father's experience after 4 months:
Weight loss - 3-4 pounds (possibly my father created a small deficit by cutting out added sugar as he is not aware of having made any other dietary change)
Increased energy - nope
Better sleep - nope
Clearer skin - nope
More mentally alert/ better powers of concentration - nope
However. Since his late thirties my father has been having regular blood tests to monitor his cholesterol levels. In addition, for some years now he has been participating in a medical trial for a new arthritis medication. Consequently he gives blood samples very regularly. After a couple of months on reduced sugar, he noticed that one of his blood numbers (can't remember which one), typically at the higher end of normal, showed a reduction for the first time in 30 years. I didn't get a before and after blood test.
Anyway, this was our experience for what it's worth. I confess I was a little disappointed; I was looking forward to the mad energy levels and laser focus the internet told me I would have. Incidentally, the only thing I have found that improved my energy levels and concentration significantly? EXERCISE. Specifically, exercising to the point of exhaustion 3-4 times per week. Those results do feel kind of miraculous.
Sorry for the long post.0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »
Probably because some people lack the motivation and willpower to moderate their food intake. Having extreme rules about what they should and should not eat takes the decision making out of the equation for them therefore helping with compliance. The catch is, eventually your body's cravings will win that battle if you abstain for long enough and that usually leads to a binge, guilt and failure...I really don't know why people insist on making this harder than it needs to be. Life is filled with opportunities to eat cake and cookies. Finding a way to enjoy them in moderation seems like the obvious path to long term success to me.
That's fair, I just wish more people would acknowledge that rather than blaming the food group. Sugar didn't make you fat. Too much sugar didn't even make you fat. Too many calories made you fat.
I think we all know who is at fault here. Katie Couric. And the Dutch.
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I'm Dutch. I'm succinct. I shower. 'Nuff said.
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With the name hellsbells, I'm thinking you need a Dresden user pic instead of Riker...To answer the original question, both I and my father have tried cutting out added sugar and sugary food e.g. breakfast cereals, jam, condiments like ketchup, shop-bought pasta sauce etc., out of our diets in the recent past (1-2 years ago).
Some background info: me - late 30's, my father - late 70's. Both of us already had fairly good diets in terms of eating in moderation - I was eating at a small deficit as I wanted to drop a few pounds, and my father has always watched what he ate due to (genetic) high cholesterol. Otherwise he is and always has been very slim. For both of us, cutting out added sugar was more like an experiment to see if anything positive would happen. Well, if you believe what you read on the internet, and you shouldn't, it can have miraculous effects.
My experience after 3 months:
Weight loss - steady (but I maintained the same deficit throughout so not a surprise)
Increased energy - nope
Better sleep - nope
Clearer skin - nope
More mentally alert/ better powers of concentration - nope
My father's experience after 4 months:
Weight loss - 3-4 pounds (possibly my father created a small deficit by cutting out added sugar as he is not aware of having made any other dietary change)
Increased energy - nope
Better sleep - nope
Clearer skin - nope
More mentally alert/ better powers of concentration - nope
However. Since his late thirties my father has been having regular blood tests to monitor his cholesterol levels. In addition, for some years now he has been participating in a medical trial for a new arthritis medication. Consequently he gives blood samples very regularly. After a couple of months on reduced sugar, he noticed that one of his blood numbers (can't remember which one), typically at the higher end of normal, showed a reduction for the first time in 30 years. I didn't get a before and after blood test.
Anyway, this was our experience for what it's worth. I confess I was a little disappointed; I was looking forward to the mad energy levels and laser focus the internet told me I would have. Incidentally, the only thing I have found that improved my energy levels and concentration significantly? EXERCISE. Specifically, exercising to the point of exhaustion 3-4 times per week. Those results do feel kind of miraculous.
Sorry for the long post.
Also, awesome detailed response.0 -
elcollins24 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »elcollins24 wrote: »I am somommy2TandN wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »I cut out all gluten and dairy almost a year ago due to medical reasons. It helped reduce my cholesterol a lot, as well as fix a bunch of other problems I was having. However, my glucose was still high and my bloodwork still shows increasing inflamation. So my doctor recently recommended I cut out most sugars as well. She suggested I read " Sugar Impact Diet" by JJ Virgin. I'm only on day 2 of it, but so far, it's good. I'm a huge sugar addict and I'm not even missing it yet. So it you really need to reduce sugars, it may be worth looking into.
http://www.amazon.ca/JJ-Virgins-Sugar-Impact-Diet/dp/1455577847
"Drop 7 Hidden Sugars, Lose Up to 10 Pounds in Just 2 Weeks"
I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS.
Anything that says "Lose XX lbs in x weeks!" is always pure *kitten* and is just trying to sell you their product to make more money.
I wouldn't be surprised if your doctor is on consignment.
I am not a fan of the author's push about losing weight quickly, either. And my reason for doing the diet is much more about getting my glucose down than it is losing weight. I have a lot of diabetes in my family, with both grandparents on my dad's side dying of heartacks in their 40's. I'm certain they had undiagnosed diabetes, based on my memories of them and the symptoms they showed. And diabetes does lead to increased risk of heart attacks. And I had gestational diabetes about 14 years ago. I'm in my early 40's now. So anything I can do to get out of the pre-diabetes range is good. My doctor actually recommended this book to me because another of her patients started following the diet on her own and had great success. She isn't making any money off this book. They sell some health books (including cookbooks) at the doctor's office and this isn't even available there. The original poster asked for diet plans to follow that limit sugar, and although this one doesn't get rid of all sugar, it does limit them in a way that doesn't cause as much withdrawal.
Um. You really, really need a new doctor. One who has a clue about nutrition.
Absolutely not. I've been seeing this doctor for almost a year now and she has managed to lower my bad cholesterol, increase my good cholesterol, lower my blood pressure, increase my vitamin D and iron, and for the first time in my life, I can go out without worrying about needing a bathroom nearby. And she's done this all primarily with diet changes. I started seeing her because my last doctor just kept giving me more meds. The last straw was when that doctor prescribed a statin for me and insisted I continue taking it even when it caused me extreme muscle soreness. I stopped taking that statin and switched doctors. Now my cholesterol is at the low end of normal. The proof is in the pudding. I'm keeping my doctor.
I am surprised by how much negativity is on these boards. Yesterday was my first time checking them out. I saw this no sugar post and wanted to see if others were trying to reduce sugar, too, thinking it would be nice to connect with others in the same boat. Then I commented on the diet plan my doctor has me on because that's what the original poster asked for. I have tried just monitoring my food intake for years, using MFP to log everthing I ate, and while I lost some weight, I still had numerous medical issues. I doubt that I am alone in this. Criticizing people because something different works for them is NOT supportive. What works for one person doesn't always work for others.
I am so with u on this one. I feel like one of the only people on mfp that doesnt believe they know everything. I know what works for me but i'm happy to let others crack on with whatever works for them. Theres way too much negativity and way too much condescension! None of us are perfect or we wouldnt be here. This is a free place to discuss ideas...
Let's discuss ideas and facts. The entire avoid gluten rage is countered by the fact that the science supports that there is no need for those not suffering from Celiac's to avoid it ... the sugar is the devil crowd tries to claim that the same chemical compound, processed identically within the body, has differing impacts based on its source; sugar from an orange is fine but the same sugar from Pixie Stix is somehow evil. Reading through the list of medical issues attributed to sugar in this thread is hysterical once you look at the sources of those rants ... it's even funnier when the links people cite counter their claims.
Were you in hysterics yeah?
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at some of the fallacies posted in this thread. Then I remembered that the diet industry depends upon the same demographic that kept P.T. Barnum in business. It's always the latest must eat or avoid all together plan ... based on limited correlation, not causation ... hyped to sell products.
Can you name one person made fat by sugar and not by individual dietary choices?0 -
I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.0
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brianpperkins wrote: »elcollins24 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »elcollins24 wrote: »I am somommy2TandN wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »mommy2TandN wrote: »I cut out all gluten and dairy almost a year ago due to medical reasons. It helped reduce my cholesterol a lot, as well as fix a bunch of other problems I was having. However, my glucose was still high and my bloodwork still shows increasing inflamation. So my doctor recently recommended I cut out most sugars as well. She suggested I read " Sugar Impact Diet" by JJ Virgin. I'm only on day 2 of it, but so far, it's good. I'm a huge sugar addict and I'm not even missing it yet. So it you really need to reduce sugars, it may be worth looking into.
http://www.amazon.ca/JJ-Virgins-Sugar-Impact-Diet/dp/1455577847
"Drop 7 Hidden Sugars, Lose Up to 10 Pounds in Just 2 Weeks"
I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS.
Anything that says "Lose XX lbs in x weeks!" is always pure *kitten* and is just trying to sell you their product to make more money.
I wouldn't be surprised if your doctor is on consignment.
I am not a fan of the author's push about losing weight quickly, either. And my reason for doing the diet is much more about getting my glucose down than it is losing weight. I have a lot of diabetes in my family, with both grandparents on my dad's side dying of heartacks in their 40's. I'm certain they had undiagnosed diabetes, based on my memories of them and the symptoms they showed. And diabetes does lead to increased risk of heart attacks. And I had gestational diabetes about 14 years ago. I'm in my early 40's now. So anything I can do to get out of the pre-diabetes range is good. My doctor actually recommended this book to me because another of her patients started following the diet on her own and had great success. She isn't making any money off this book. They sell some health books (including cookbooks) at the doctor's office and this isn't even available there. The original poster asked for diet plans to follow that limit sugar, and although this one doesn't get rid of all sugar, it does limit them in a way that doesn't cause as much withdrawal.
Um. You really, really need a new doctor. One who has a clue about nutrition.
Absolutely not. I've been seeing this doctor for almost a year now and she has managed to lower my bad cholesterol, increase my good cholesterol, lower my blood pressure, increase my vitamin D and iron, and for the first time in my life, I can go out without worrying about needing a bathroom nearby. And she's done this all primarily with diet changes. I started seeing her because my last doctor just kept giving me more meds. The last straw was when that doctor prescribed a statin for me and insisted I continue taking it even when it caused me extreme muscle soreness. I stopped taking that statin and switched doctors. Now my cholesterol is at the low end of normal. The proof is in the pudding. I'm keeping my doctor.
I am surprised by how much negativity is on these boards. Yesterday was my first time checking them out. I saw this no sugar post and wanted to see if others were trying to reduce sugar, too, thinking it would be nice to connect with others in the same boat. Then I commented on the diet plan my doctor has me on because that's what the original poster asked for. I have tried just monitoring my food intake for years, using MFP to log everthing I ate, and while I lost some weight, I still had numerous medical issues. I doubt that I am alone in this. Criticizing people because something different works for them is NOT supportive. What works for one person doesn't always work for others.
I am so with u on this one. I feel like one of the only people on mfp that doesnt believe they know everything. I know what works for me but i'm happy to let others crack on with whatever works for them. Theres way too much negativity and way too much condescension! None of us are perfect or we wouldnt be here. This is a free place to discuss ideas...
Let's discuss ideas and facts. The entire avoid gluten rage is countered by the fact that the science supports that there is no need for those not suffering from Celiac's to avoid it ... the sugar is the devil crowd tries to claim that the same chemical compound, processed identically within the body, has differing impacts based on its source; sugar from an orange is fine but the same sugar from Pixie Stix is somehow evil. Reading through the list of medical issues attributed to sugar in this thread is hysterical once you look at the sources of those rants ... it's even funnier when the links people cite counter their claims.
Were you in hysterics yeah?
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at some of the fallacies posted in this thread. Then I remembered that the diet industry depends upon the same demographic that kept P.T. Barnum in business. It's always the latest must eat or avoid all together plan ... based on limited correlation, not causation ... hyped to sell products.
Can you name one person made fat by sugar and not by individual dietary choices?
LOL ..wait, so the people fear mongering sugar and pining every known disease known to man on sugar consumption are just having a discussion; but those of calling them out for it and saying absent a medical condition there is no reason to avoid sugar are being hysterical???
wow, never change MFP, never change...0 -
staceyseeger wrote: »I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.
so your replaced calorie dense food with less calorie dense food and lost 13 pounds? Great, but sugar had nothing to do with it.0 -
staceyseeger wrote: »I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.
so your replaced calorie dense food with less calorie dense food and lost 13 pounds? Great, but sugar had nothing to do with it.
Nope, the only things I cut out of my diet was daily fruit & coconut sugar in my coffee. I have followed the Paleo lifestyle for the past 2.5 years & have managed to maintain my loss. I wanted to drop a few stubborn pounds around my mid section & while I know you can't spot reduce - the 13 lb loss has helped me get close.
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staceyseeger wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.
so your replaced calorie dense food with less calorie dense food and lost 13 pounds? Great, but sugar had nothing to do with it.
Nope, the only things I cut out of my diet was daily fruit & coconut sugar in my coffee.
How is that not reducing your daily calories?
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I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »
Probably because some people lack the motivation and willpower to moderate their food intake. Having extreme rules about what they should and should not eat takes the decision making out of the equation for them therefore helping with compliance. The catch is, eventually your body's cravings will win that battle if you abstain for long enough and that usually leads to a binge, guilt and failure...I really don't know why people insist on making this harder than it needs to be. Life is filled with opportunities to eat cake and cookies. Finding a way to enjoy them in moderation seems like the obvious path to long term success to me.
That's fair, I just wish more people would acknowledge that rather than blaming the food group. Sugar didn't make you fat. Too much sugar didn't even make you fat. Too many calories made you fat.
I think we all know who is at fault here. Katie Couric. And the Dutch.
This guy gets my reference. I've used it a few times. I don't even know any Dutch people. I love everyone. And no one. Carry on with the sugar is evil thread.
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staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
Thank you!!! When we find something that works for us, we would be wrong not to stick with it. Especially when our doctors agree.0 -
staceyseeger wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.
so your replaced calorie dense food with less calorie dense food and lost 13 pounds? Great, but sugar had nothing to do with it.
Nope, the only things I cut out of my diet was daily fruit & coconut sugar in my coffee. I have followed the Paleo lifestyle for the past 2.5 years & have managed to maintain my loss. I wanted to drop a few stubborn pounds around my mid section & while I know you can't spot reduce - the 13 lb loss has helped me get close.
so you kept eating at maintenance and lost 13 pounds?0 -
So basically you lowered your calories by lowering your carb intake thereby creating an adequate deficit to cut stubborn fat...staceyseeger wrote: »I did the 21 Day Sugar Detox back in December & lost 13lbs. I have continued it religiously. My sugar sources are from my veggies, fruit is limited to 1-2 green bananas after hard workout & a square of 90% dark chocolate a couple times a week. I'm not restricting my sugar intake on purpose...I just don't crave it anymore.
IMO, 1-2 green bananas after a hard workout does not cut it but to each his or her own...
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How did you measure?staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
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staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
How do you know that's not the reason? You don't even log in your diary?
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mommy2TandN wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
Thank you!!! When we find something that works for us, we would be wrong not to stick with it. Especially when our doctors agree.
sorry, but you don't violate the laws of math and physics just because you think you do.0 -
mommy2TandN wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
Thank you!!! When we find something that works for us, we would be wrong not to stick with it. Especially when our doctors agree.
Absolutely. It's been a long, bumpy road to my success. I have had to figure things out on my own. And I am still learning new things every day. OP, you'll find something that works for you.- don't give up.0 -
I didn't give up on sugar completely. What I did was I set my sugar intake to the guidelines of ADA daily intake for guys to 45 grams (or 9 teaspoons). I try to limit my sugars to that guideline and bought products that were low in sugar and remove sugar to things I consciously add. Like for example I got french vanilla coffee and a creamer with low sugar. I also do is drink a lot of water to flush out my taste buds of any sweetness. So far it has helped curve my sugar cravings and I have noticed a drop in body fat.
Mind you I do have slip ups every so often but I don't go over 100 grams whenever I do. It will suck for the first three days but after that you'll find that you will feel significantly better.0 -
I didn't give up on sugar completely. What I did was I set my sugar intake to the guidelines of ADA daily intake for guys to 45 grams (or 9 teaspoons). I try to limit my sugars to that guideline and bought products that were low in sugar and remove sugar to things I consciously add. Like for example I got french vanilla coffee and a creamer with low sugar. I also do is drink a lot of water to flush out my taste buds of any sweetness. So far it has helped curve my sugar cravings and I have noticed a drop in body fat.
Mind you I do have slip ups every so often but I don't go over 100 grams whenever I do. It will suck for the first three days but after that you'll find that you will feel significantly better.
if you go over 100 grams of sugar and are in a calorie deficit for the day, will you still lose weight?0 -
staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
How do you know that's not the reason? You don't even log in your diary?
No, I quit logging in my diary some time ago. I counted calories & points for 2 years. Again, what worked for me was to Eat Clean & eat until I was full. Success doesn't mean that you have logged every single morsel every day, follow the perfect macros, log exercise calories burned & swear by it, just because MFP has it listed. Success is being able to admit that you've been defeated many times, but it has only made you stronger. This is me. And I have been successful at what worked for me because I am satisfied with my accomplishments.
I am contributing to what has worked for me. And give the OP other options to look at. I know I was appreciative when receiving advice that led to success.0 -
I didn't give up on sugar completely. What I did was I set my sugar intake to the guidelines of ADA daily intake for guys to 45 grams (or 9 teaspoons).
That's added sugar, for the record.
Quite different from the "no sugar" concept.
At this point you have no reason to think OP is going over 100 grams in sugar or 45 grams in added sugar or any such numbers.0 -
staceyseeger wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
How do you know that's not the reason? You don't even log in your diary?
No, I quit logging in my diary some time ago. I counted calories & points for 2 years. Again, what worked for me was to Eat Clean & eat until I was full. Success doesn't mean that you have logged every single morsel every day, follow the perfect macros, log exercise calories burned & swear by it, just because MFP has it listed. Success is being able to admit that you've been defeated many times, but it has only made you stronger. This is me. And I have been successful at what worked for me because I am satisfied with my accomplishments.
I am contributing to what has worked for me. And give the OP other options to look at. I know I was appreciative when receiving advice that led to success.
But the point is that you don't know that it is the cutting out sugar that lead to your weight loss, if you aren't tracking calories. You may empirically believe that, but without tracking the calorie intake before and after, you can't definitively say that you were eating the same amount of calories, just less sugar, and lost weight. Science doesn't work that way.
Also, I have no issue with people contributing what works for them. I was appreciative of finding out that I didn't HAVE to cut out foods in order to lose weight, that I could simply eat the foods I enjoy in a calorie deficit and be successful. That is advice that leads to success that I think many people, when the light bulb goes off, are truly appreciative of.
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staceyseeger wrote: »staceyseeger wrote: »I'm replacing the fruit snacking with jerky, turkey burgers & eggs. No calorie reduction. My body just doesn't seem to metabolize sugar like I want it to.
I'm just saying that this is what works for me & I'm sticking to it. Under my doctors recommendation & supervision.
How do you know that's not the reason? You don't even log in your diary?
No, I quit logging in my diary some time ago. I counted calories & points for 2 years. Again, what worked for me was to Eat Clean & eat until I was full. Success doesn't mean that you have logged every single morsel every day, follow the perfect macros, log exercise calories burned & swear by it, just because MFP has it listed. Success is being able to admit that you've been defeated many times, but it has only made you stronger. This is me. And I have been successful at what worked for me because I am satisfied with my accomplishments.
I am contributing to what has worked for me. And give the OP other options to look at. I know I was appreciative when receiving advice that led to success.
the problem with your "advice" is that it is not based on science. If you reduce sugar and keep eating in a surplus, or maintenance, you are not going to lose weight. So if a newbie, or someone else, comes in here and sees your post and thinks "hmm, all I have to do is cut sugar out and not track calories and I will lose weight" then if they try that and continue to over eat they will not lose, and will be further behind the eight ball.0
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